newbie here, whats the difference between magicka and stam build as DK?

mechsauc3

What are stam/magick pros, and cons for pvp? ( ex. stam has high mobility, but lacks sustain and hp.. magick has low dmg, but great sustain and hp )

SublimeSparo

Stam dk is high burst, decent sustain with Wrecking blow take flight combo and running drinks and battleroar on ult use.
Igneous shield- major mending + rally and vigour is small shield and OP heals.
Magicka DK is harder to play/ build but if done right is pretty op besides the mobility, seems vamp or speed potions would be key to overcome that.
I personally found sustain easier on stam rather than magic, but never really use pvp builds in pvp lol. I imagine 5 hundings 5 marksman/ eternal hunt and maelstrom weapons with mag n stam drinks would be pretty op

stevepdodson_ESO888

For Stam DK if you are going PvP you could still use Wrecking Blow (or the other morph now actually) but in PvE go DW as Rapid Strikes is ripping things apart and if you do not have Vigour for the self heal take the other morph of Rapid Strikes for the heal (along with the Rending Slash heal morph).

Magicka is all about putting the DoTs on Destro Staff Blockad, Burning Brath, Ash Cloud thingie, Burning Embers (nice heal), Deep Breath and proc Skoria helm.

WillhelmBlack

Magicka is rubbish. Stamina is God mode.

Van_0S

Magicka uses more of your class skills.
Stamina uses more of weapon skills.

So, if your new play a stamina DK. After you get bored with all the weapon skill lines then switch to magicka.

mechsauc3

what are the current weapon set for magicka? as dps

Van_0S

mechsauc3 wrote: »

what are the current weapon set for magicka? as dps

Destro staff and Dual wielding ( boons spell damages)
But for a DK, destro staff is better.

SublimeSparo

For pvp i've seen a mix of both, i tried a light armour Double destro build v squishy but massive damage, i tried a heavy armour regen build but it wasn't my cup of tea- 5p heavy seducer/ Kagrenacs then either sword and board and dw/ resto is an option.
If you pick an Imperial/ dunmer you could switch between magic/ stamina and be viable either way.
In fact i usually level my magic characters as stam because steel tornado+ vigour is op for mob grinding lol, althpugh inhale+impulse is pretty similar it generally takes longer to unlock both those skills magicka wise

For pve,
Magicka double destro for group play, destro/resto for maelstrom.
Stamina dw and bow

mechsauc3

SublimeSparo wrote: »

For pvp i've seen a mix of both, i tried a light armour Double destro build v squishy but massive damage, i tried a heavy armour regen build but it wasn't my cup of tea- 5p heavy seducer/ Kagrenacs then either sword and board and dw/ resto is an option.
If you pick an Imperial/ dunmer you could switch between magic/ stamina and be viable either way.
In fact i usually level my magic characters as stam because steel tornado+ vigour is op for mob grinding lol, althpugh inhale+impulse is pretty similar it generally takes longer to unlock both those skills magicka wise

For pve,
Magicka double destro for group play, destro/resto for maelstrom.
Stamina dw and bow

how much dmg do i lose if i go imperial? im currently dunmer

also does leveling stam gives more dmg dw as to magicka destro? ( currently lv 7 at EP, but AD zone looks so much better and i like sunshine as to dark,evil theme areas )

clocksstoppe

Van_0S wrote: »

mechsauc3 wrote: »

what are the current weapon set for magicka? as dps

Destro staff and Dual wielding ( boons spell damages)
But for a DK, destro staff is better.

why

Septimus_Magna

mechsauc3 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

For pvp i've seen a mix of both, i tried a light armour Double destro build v squishy but massive damage, i tried a heavy armour regen build but it wasn't my cup of tea- 5p heavy seducer/ Kagrenacs then either sword and board and dw/ resto is an option.
If you pick an Imperial/ dunmer you could switch between magic/ stamina and be viable either way.
In fact i usually level my magic characters as stam because steel tornado+ vigour is op for mob grinding lol, althpugh inhale+impulse is pretty similar it generally takes longer to unlock both those skills magicka wise

For pve,
Magicka double destro for group play, destro/resto for maelstrom.
Stamina dw and bow

how much dmg do i lose if i go imperial? im currently dunmer

Imperial stam DK with 2H/bow is very strong. Khajiit would be a bit better for PVE dps.

Dunmer isnt bad either, you still get extra 6% stam and some flame resistance.

Aquanova

Whatever you do, avoid Argonian like plague unless you just wanna tank

mechsauc3

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

mechsauc3 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

For pvp i've seen a mix of both, i tried a light armour Double destro build v squishy but massive damage, i tried a heavy armour regen build but it wasn't my cup of tea- 5p heavy seducer/ Kagrenacs then either sword and board and dw/ resto is an option.
If you pick an Imperial/ dunmer you could switch between magic/ stamina and be viable either way.
In fact i usually level my magic characters as stam because steel tornado+ vigour is op for mob grinding lol, althpugh inhale+impulse is pretty similar it generally takes longer to unlock both those skills magicka wise

For pve,
Magicka double destro for group play, destro/resto for maelstrom.
Stamina dw and bow

how much dmg do i lose if i go imperial? im currently dunmer

Imperial stam DK with 2H/bow is very strong. Khajiit would be a bit better for PVE dps.

Dunmer isnt bad either, you still get extra 6% stam and some flame resistance.

hows destro magicka lvling? as to 2h/bow stam

Septimus_Magna

mechsauc3 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

mechsauc3 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

For pvp i've seen a mix of both, i tried a light armour Double destro build v squishy but massive damage, i tried a heavy armour regen build but it wasn't my cup of tea- 5p heavy seducer/ Kagrenacs then either sword and board and dw/ resto is an option.
If you pick an Imperial/ dunmer you could switch between magic/ stamina and be viable either way.
In fact i usually level my magic characters as stam because steel tornado+ vigour is op for mob grinding lol, althpugh inhale+impulse is pretty similar it generally takes longer to unlock both those skills magicka wise

For pve,
Magicka double destro for group play, destro/resto for maelstrom.
Stamina dw and bow

how much dmg do i lose if i go imperial? im currently dunmer

Imperial stam DK with 2H/bow is very strong. Khajiit would be a bit better for PVE dps.

Dunmer isnt bad either, you still get extra 6% stam and some flame resistance.

hows destro magicka lvling? as to 2h/bow stam

Leveling is easy with any class, magicka or stamina. You do get more healing from magicka based skills but you also deal less dmg.

Burning Embers (single target DOT + heal), Inhale (aoe dmg+heal) and Igneous Shield (small dmg shield+major mending) are usually enough to keep you alive.

On a stam DK you want Rally (from 2H), Draining Shot (from Bow) and Igneous Shield. Eventually you'll also want Vigor but thats not necessary for leveling. You can also go DW/bow or DW/2H and heal with one of the Flurry morphs.

Ch4mpTW

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Magicka is rubbish. Stamina is God mode.

Lol. That's a cute opinion. Especially considering how in the end, going magicka on a DK is more rewarding in the end (damage-wise and sustain-wise from a mathematical point-of-view). This is of course being that magicka builds with a Dragonknight require more understanding of how the class works, as well understanding overall game mechanics works. Plus the fact that a magicka Dragonknight can kill a stamina Dragonknight 9x out of 10, due to being able to spam things like: Talons, Deep Breath, Flame Lash, Fossilize, Igneous Shields and heals, etc. Plus healing wards and Harness Magicka. Where as the stamina Dragonknight would only be able to use their moves a certain amount of time, because they'll be dodge rolling heavily and blocking. Which burns up stamina. Unless they're a tank, in which case they're not going to be supplying that much damage to begin with. This is not including the usage of potions and poisons, by the way. How do I know this? I've dueled numerous stamina Dragonknights on my magicka Dragonknight, and won most of the time because of the reasons I listed. With me only dying usually to my own recklessness of burning stamina when I shouldn't have, and being greedy.

@mechsauc3
If what you seek is quick excitement, while being able to deal with content with relative ease? I'd say go the stamina route. As stamina Dragonknights have arguably the best stamina builds out, while supposedly supplying the best DPS in PVP. Stamina DK's are quite phenomenal in both PVP and PVE, but require you be a tad bit more cautious with your resources as stamina is required for: Blocking, dodge rolling, some of your skills, sprinting, etc.

But on the other hand, if you are up for a challenge and truly want to a threat in both PVE and PVP — go with magicka. Statistically speaking, magicka Dragonknights have the overall highest damage possible. Outside of magicka Nightblades. But! Nightblades are primarily burst damage, and usually are squishy (even though they can heal themselves very nicely). Magicka Dragonknights supplying consistent damage, and damage over time. While being able to survive much easier than a magicka Dragonknight. Not to mention magicka Dragonknights are preferred to magicka Nightblades for longer fights due to this reason.

And if you do go with magicka, go with destruction staff and restoration staff. Destruction staff passives are great for magicka builds, and assist things like spell penetration and all that jazz. Where as restoration staff passive assist with healing (overall), while restoration staff heavy attacks help with magicka sustain. And yes, the destruction staff skill line does have a skill which helps your magicka sustain, but it's usually preferred to run a combination of destruction and restoration staves.

A lot of people tend to forget that destruction staves followed by dual wielding came out by a PVP'er who wanted high burst damage (I believe it was a sorcerer), and didn't care too much about their resources at all. And experimented, and came across the combo of Destro/DW. It then became a FOTM and then meta for magicka users (I tested it and disliked it), even with the person who made reports on it that it wasn't advised unless you wanted to forgo your sustain.

Good luck on your choice, OP.

mechsauc3

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Magicka is rubbish. Stamina is God mode.

Good luck on your choice, OP.

Going for magicka, but might make an alt for stam as imperial or just use my dunmer for it..

Do you recommend any build? i would like to level the skills i need for pvp asap, rather than spending some time off pvp cuz i need to level 2-3 skills i missed while leveling.

Btw is s+shield/destro better? im not much of a support guy so restro doesn't quite fit my style..

I_killed_Vivec

mechsauc3 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Magicka is rubbish. Stamina is God mode.

Good luck on your choice, OP.

Going for magicka, but might make an alt for stam as imperial or just use my dunmer for it..

Do you recommend any build? i would like to level the skills i need for pvp asap, rather than spending some time off pvp cuz i need to level 2-3 skills i missed while leveling.

Btw is s+shield/destro better? im not much of a support guy so restro doesn't quite fit my style..

If you are going magica then you want to use a dunmer - those fire passives combine well with all the Ardent Flame skills!

You'll also want a fire destro staff - and why not go all the way and enchant with fire damage!

You're a DragonKinght, there should be flames

I prefer a restoration staff because it hits hard at a distance while replenishing magica. Also the heals don't have to be "support", they work perfectly well on solo builds. Combine a heal like Combat Prayer with Burning Embers, Flame Lash and Inhale and you can get impressive heals while dishing some damage.

And, according to your play style and needs (PvE or PvP), you can throw in Chains or Talons or the defensive skills as you progress.

Sword and shield is a lot of fun, but I prefer to use it on my Imperial Stam DK.

Van_0S

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

mechsauc3 wrote: »

what are the current weapon set for magicka? as dps

Destro staff and Dual wielding ( boons spell damages)
But for a DK, destro staff is better.

why

Because of the fire passives you get as a DK. So, fire destro staff is a boon for a dk.

Tonnopesce

Since the dk self heal massive nerf (rip dragonblood) magika users need to go with a restoration staff and is just a slap in the face for a lot of people (myself included).

Both are really good but magika suffer a lot more than stamina.

Rex-Umbra

Stam DK has higher dmg and higher armour better mobility and mitigation though blocking and rolling than a pure magicka build. This is just min maxed builds.

mechsauc3

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Since the dk self heal massive nerf (rip dragonblood) magika users need to go with a restoration staff and is just a slap in the face for a lot of people (myself included).

Both are really good but magika suffer a lot more than stamina.

is s+shield/restro the pvp meta? ive seen all magicka dk streamers as s+shield, but unsure if the staff destro or restro, also im a melee guy, is there anything in s+shield skills i can use in pvp/levein

tennant94

Stamina is better they get all the benefits from the unique class skills, like reflective scales and igneous but they also get dodge roll it's a win win .