A Request to The Factions Who Are the Top in A Campaign

WuffyCerulei

Stop picking on the bottom faction. It could be DC, AD, or EP. If they're the loser, have no scrolls, etc., stop picking at them. Good example right now: DC and AD trying to take Arrius while EP has no scrolls and are the bottom of the campaign scoring. You guys fight each other, not the bottom people.

KenaPKK

Posting here won't change the actions of the unorganized masses. The weak faction needs to stop being an easy target. People follow the path of least resistance.

Turelus

As someone who used to help organise an alliance of guilds to win campaigns I can tell you if a players aim is to win the campaign this will never happen.

You take the points where you can get them to make sure you're always scoring the highest numbers, sometimes you focus on keeping no.2 down but those people in no.3 still have points which you need to beat no.2

ataggs

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

Rohamad_Ali

I'm not even logging in Cyrodiil till I hear some new patch notes .

WuffyCerulei

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm not even logging in Cyrodiil till I hear some new patch notes .

Aye, there's a loooot of issues with Cyrodiil at the moment.

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

I see it as unfair right now, because EP is severely disorganized.

Pchela

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm not even logging in Cyrodiil till I hear some new patch notes .

Aye, there's a loooot of issues with Cyrodiil at the moment.

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

I see it as unfair right now, because EP is severely disorganized.

And we said the same about AD last campaign, but that didn't stop most of EP from camping Faregyl/BB/BM, did it?

God_flakes

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Stop picking on the bottom faction. It could be DC, AD, or EP. If they're the loser, have no scrolls, etc., stop picking at them. Good example right now: DC and AD trying to take Arrius while EP has no scrolls and are the bottom of the campaign scoring. You guys fight each other, not the bottom people.

Wait is this happening in TF?

Crispen_Longbow

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm not even logging in Cyrodiil till I hear some new patch notes .

Aye, there's a loooot of issues with Cyrodiil at the moment.

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

I see it as unfair right now, because EP is severely disorganized.

What does the population balance currently look like in TF/NA assuming this is the campaign you are talking about? Is EP severally outnumber by DC or AD during the day now? BFTP usually runs during the day and has a full raid on for EP.

We strive for balance on a server to foster a good healthy PVP environment. Pushing the TRI Home keeps when no scrolls are there for the taking or when the enemy is underpopulated does not help this.

So what does the current state of TF/NA look like? At work or would log in

WuffyCerulei

None of the major EP players for TF are on, probs cuz of all the bugs in Cyrodiil. There may be a balance, but DC and the vultures we call AD are taking advantage of EP being as disorganized as it is.

WuffyCerulei

Pchela wrote: »

And we said the same about AD last campaign, but that didn't stop most of EP from camping Faregyl/BB/BM, did it?

I don't enjoy seeing my own faction doing that. It's all the *** in EP who do that nonsense. None of the rational players would do that.

Crispen_Longbow

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

None of the major EP players for TF are on, probs cuz of all the bugs in Cyrodiil. There may be a balance, but DC and the vultures we call AD are taking advantage of EP being as disorganized as it is.

So what does the population look like currently?

Pchela

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

Pchela wrote: »

And we said the same about AD last campaign, but that didn't stop most of EP from camping Faregyl/BB/BM, did it?

I don't enjoy seeing my own faction doing that. It's all the *** in EP who do that nonsense. None of the rational players would do that.

Yes, I actively spoke out on it on the forums as well, but it seems that much of the audience who should be seeing it, never visit here.

Pchela

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

None of the major EP players for TF are on, probs cuz of all the bugs in Cyrodiil. There may be a balance, but DC and the vultures we call AD are taking advantage of EP being as disorganized as it is.

So what does the population look like currently?

1:30pm EST:

Crispen_Longbow

That is actually a pretty balanced server. All 2 bar population so no 1 alliance has a huge population advantage.

I think EP is just use to having a huge population advantage with organized guilds running at the same time. EP is doing just fine from the looks of it. EP has cut transit to BRK by taking Sej and is tagging BRK.

Crispen_Longbow

This is what the average day was like for TF/NA last campaign. EP (Poplocked/3 bars) and 1 bar AD and 1/2 bar DC.


This was in no way balanced.

If this was the environment you have been use to playing I can understand why you feel the way you do. It also hurts EP in the long run as they don't improve as players and when a campaign does become balanced they don't perform as well.

NACtron

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

This is the same logic that we were using to justify map pushes like the one's the OP mentions the AD and DC are doing now. It's a cycle that will never change. Such is war. Everyone has the gloves off now in TF. Each faction is hardcore zerging, fighting late into the night and throughout the day. Such as it should be.

Crispen_Longbow

NACtron wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

This is the same logic that we were using to justify map pushes like the one's the OP mentions the AD and DC are doing now. It's a cycle that will never change. Such is war. Everyone has the gloves off now in TF. Each faction is hardcore zerging, fighting late into the night and throughout the day. Such as it should be.

We take issue with the in-balance. Poplocked vs 1 bar opponents is a cancer for PVP. No one should be doing this. If you are poplocked and you have no competition move to a different server.

RandalMarrs

Smh. It's war. Don't count on "fair".

AbraXuSeXile

If you want to win a campaign focus on a shape and defend for days and hardly anyone will attack you.

DC chal-roe with brindle and dc. Set scouts on certain keeps and outposts when they want to half afk. Let BRK red they can fight for Sej and Alessia yellow.

Never lose a campaign, maps so easy to manipulate especially now with less organised groups.

Same for other factions just shift it around. Its how i kept emp for 6 days on main campaign.

NACtron

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

This is the same logic that we were using to justify map pushes like the one's the OP mentions the AD and DC are doing now. It's a cycle that will never change. Such is war. Everyone has the gloves off now in TF. Each faction is hardcore zerging, fighting late into the night and throughout the day. Such as it should be.

We take issue with the in-balance. Poplocked vs 1 bar opponents is a cancer for PVP. No one should be doing this. If you are poplocked and you have no competition move to a different server.

Well it seemed like the competition has evened itself out so everyone should be happy From what I hear EP is last in points, so the day and night capping must not longer be a problem.

Crispen_Longbow

NACtron wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

This is the same logic that we were using to justify map pushes like the one's the OP mentions the AD and DC are doing now. It's a cycle that will never change. Such is war. Everyone has the gloves off now in TF. Each faction is hardcore zerging, fighting late into the night and throughout the day. Such as it should be.

We take issue with the in-balance. Poplocked vs 1 bar opponents is a cancer for PVP. No one should be doing this. If you are poplocked and you have no competition move to a different server.

Well it seemed like the competition has evened itself out so everyone should be happy From what I hear EP is last in points, so the day and night capping must not longer be a problem.

Last Night all 3 factions were pop locked in prime time. Looks like today all 3 factions have 2 bars during the day. This is great start to balancing out the population around the clock. That's all we can ask for. Each alliance must handle their own guilds, leadership, strategy, coordinating, recruiting etc.

Thanks should go out to the EP guilds that flipped to different servers or factions as well as the AD guilds that came over to TF, so that this could be a balanced server again.

I think most of us want a 3 way battle anytime we are logged on. If we get sick of fighting one alliance we can turn to the other and expect good competition from all 3.

Minno

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Honestly revenge is probably the motivating factor.....and yes it is sweet.

This is the same logic that we were using to justify map pushes like the one's the OP mentions the AD and DC are doing now. It's a cycle that will never change. Such is war. Everyone has the gloves off now in TF. Each faction is hardcore zerging, fighting late into the night and throughout the day. Such as it should be.

We take issue with the in-balance. Poplocked vs 1 bar opponents is a cancer for PVP. No one should be doing this. If you are poplocked and you have no competition move to a different server.

Well it seemed like the competition has evened itself out so everyone should be happy From what I hear EP is last in points, so the day and night capping must not longer be a problem.

Last Night all 3 factions were pop locked in prime time. Looks like today all 3 factions have 2 bars during the day. This is great start to balancing out the population around the clock. That's all we can ask for. Each alliance must handle their own guilds, leadership, strategy, coordinating, recruiting etc.

Thanks should go out to the EP guilds that flipped to different servers or factions as well as the AD guilds that came over to TF, so that this could be a balanced server again.

I think most of us want a 3 way battle anytime we are logged on. If we get sick of fighting one alliance we can turn to the other and expect good competition from all 3.

The 3-way battles were fantastic too.

ataggs

I wouldn't worry too much yet, like Crispen has pointed out the campaign is balanced and there is plenty of time for EP to make a comeback. Just keep in mind, someone has to come in third.

Skyy

Some things to note. With DB having just come out, a lot of people are not pvping, this will change in about a week. Also, I spent a decent amount playing today which I haven't been doing since the dlc and for the entire 4 hours I was in Cyro, ad and dc never once flagged one of each other's keeps. The EP who were on were certainly an unorganized and rather pathetic mess, but if any of the ad were actually as objective oriented as they claim they would have done more than content themselves with sitting in second place and actually gone for some dc keeps. Luckily for them, when RAM flops over they will actually have an objectives oriented group that can achieve things and might have a hope of winning.

Crispen_Longbow

Skyy wrote: »

Some things to note. With DB having just come out, a lot of people are not pvping, this will change in about a week.

So are you saying that we should expect an influx of EP so that they can poplock the campaign again during the day and throw the server out of balance again?

Skyy

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Skyy wrote: »

Some things to note. With DB having just come out, a lot of people are not pvping, this will change in about a week.

So are you saying that we should expect an influx of EP so that they can poplock the campaign again during the day and throw the server out of balance again?

I don't know, but we can expect the numbers to change. How much or from who, that still waits to be seen.

PrinceFabious

Didnt EP win the last two 30 day campaigns? Who cares if we take a break on this one. I can gaurantee the EP players are playing the new patch and figuring out new builds. This is not a time to care about map control

Crispen_Longbow

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Didnt EP win the last two 30 day campaigns? Who cares if we take a break on this one. I can gaurantee the EP players are playing the new patch and figuring out new builds. This is not a time to care about map control

I think you guys are missing the point. It's not about taking a break. This is about population balance of servers. As you well know what happens when a server stacks their entire faction on it. You have been fighting in Had against the AD horde there.

EP stacked all of their faction round the clock in TF. AD did the same for had. DC is split between the two. There have been several threads about trying to get guilds to spread out evenly and some guilds have moved factions to help even this out round the clock.

This thread is complaining about actually having a balanced sever 2 bar / 2 bar / 2 bar and not liking it. So along comes EP and the answers so far have been "don't worry, soon EP will be back to POP lock the server again".

heystreethawk

Skyy wrote: »

but if any of the ad were actually as objective oriented as they claim they would have done more than content themselves with sitting in second place and actually gone for some dc keeps. Luckily for them, when RAM flops over they will actually have an objectives oriented group that can achieve things and might have a hope of winning.

Last night AD had control of Ash, Nikel, and for a bit toward the end also Glademist, from which we nabbed and secured a red scroll. We also hung onto BRK, but you mentioned blue keeps. I'm not interested in pushing deeper than the center-- or lingering at the center-- without a better reason than "slightly more campaign points until everyone stacks up to take their stuff back".

AD has three medium-to-large (16-24) objective oriented guilds running regularly in the American evenings on Trueflame (I was coordinating with the other two while they were online), and several more guilds with smaller rosters who can always be counted on acting in the interests of the campaign. If RAM is still more of an oceanic timeslot scene, that presence would be welcomed to stave off day capping; another AD guild in prime time would cause me to worry about campaign balance.

Skyy

heystreethawk wrote: »

Skyy wrote: »

but if any of the ad were actually as objective oriented as they claim they would have done more than content themselves with sitting in second place and actually gone for some dc keeps. Luckily for them, when RAM flops over they will actually have an objectives oriented group that can achieve things and might have a hope of winning.

Last night AD had control of Ash, Nikel, and for a bit toward the end also Glademist, from which we nabbed and secured a red scroll. We also hung onto BRK, but you mentioned blue keeps. I'm not interested in pushing deeper than the center-- or lingering at the center-- without a better reason than "slightly more campaign points until everyone stacks up to take their stuff back".

AD has three medium-to-large (16-24) objective oriented guilds running regularly in the American evenings on Trueflame (I was coordinating with the other two while they were online), and several more guilds with smaller rosters who can always be counted on acting in the interests of the campaign. If RAM is still more of an oceanic timeslot scene, that presence would be welcomed to stave off day capping; another AD guild in prime time would cause me to worry about campaign balance.

They do during primetime. I was talking purely about daytime, sorry if that wasn't clear.

And Crispen, I wasn't saying that ep will soon pop lock again against underperforming factions like it was a good thing. I simply meant that you can't look at the populations now and expect that to last. It's DLC week, everything is always thrown off on dlc week.