The market has also been destroyed

CokeVoAYCE

i was playin' ESO mindin' my own business. doin' a bunch of trading in stuff. buy low sell high, make thousands of gold easy with no work. as i went in the guild store to look at low priced items to buy up, i noticed an influx of rare jewelry and gear that usually is never there in such abundance. i figured, "oh it must be cuz it's like memorial day and a lot of people are playing today." then about an hour later i re-thought about this and realized the influx of gear is due to the hacks and ulti-spams allowing for people to get so much AP in pvp and beat MSA so easily. i have a lot of gold in assets, and i know a lot of people who also do too. due to the influx of all this gear and supply and demand stuff since the supply is increased the worth of all our items is decreasing. i'm possibly out hundreds of thousands of gold thanks to these cheaters. ZOS, are you gonna refund people like me affected by the bad market? are you gonna start banning people or account wiping them completely instead of just giving them a timeout and letting them keep everything they got??

PS. if there aren't any bans or account wipes soon i'm just gonna leave the game, and i know others who are also contemplating that. so yeah, bans or account wipes probably would be the best financial decision to make, since i know that's all you guys care about. time to put up or let your game fail. peace

inb4 thread lock.

AlnilamE

So someone discovered a hack to unbind Maelstrom gear and put it up for sale?

Is that what you are trying to say? Because the stuff from Rewards for the Worthy is not that valuable at this point, and end of campaign rewards only arrive at the end of the campaign, regardless of how much AP someone got.

I understand people are upset about cheaters and I hope ZOS is working as quickly as they can to find a solution and ban those caught cheating, but if you think that the scenario you are describing is because of cheats, then you will have to explain that in a bit more detail.

CokeVoAYCE

AlnilamE wrote: »

So someone discovered a hack to unbind Maelstrom gear and put it up for sale?

Is that what you are trying to say? Because the stuff from Rewards for the Worthy is not that valuable at this point, and end of campaign rewards only arrive at the end of the campaign, regardless of how much AP someone got.

I understand people are upset about cheaters and I hope ZOS is working as quickly as they can to find a solution and ban those caught cheating, but if you think that the scenario you are describing is because of cheats, then you will have to explain that in a bit more detail.

maelstrom drops like necklace of the worm are not bound. they go for over 100k easy. i'm talking about the MSA drops, not the VMSA drops. not to mention people can steamroll through vet dungeons like nothing now and get an influx of agility rings/willpower rings into the market. yes, the cheats are destroying the market. rewards of the worthy do give valuable gear from time to time, like marksman rings. it should be self explanatory understanding which items are getting a grotesque increase in supply due to the cheats now. take a look for yourself. practically any item not bound on pickup is subject to this.

how else do you explain the influx of these items in the market then? just a coincidence? magic?!

dagonbeer

This is likely not a big issue at the moment (since vMA can only be a money sink, even to cheaters, and none of the current PvP items are that valuable right now) but it will get worse once all the new PvP coffers are released after DB. Then again, there are people with millions of AP banked already so it won't be the end of the world.

mtwiggz

Also need to consider if you're on PC NA that the Trueflame campaign ended yesterday. A lot of the influx of gold jewelry is from that.

Not to say that perhaps this CE has something to do with it, as I'm sure it does.

Funkopotamus

Yeah with people spamming ultimate skills and steamroll vet dungeons to earn everything from craft mats to MSA to just about anything that sells is going to crash this games economy..

I still have not seen a SERIOUSE post from ZOS about exactly what they are doing to try to combat this.

It is like they are sticking their heads in the sand and acting like all is fine just because DB is about to launch.

BRING DOWN THE SERVERS! Do something ZOS your name is being destroyed on other forums. The ones you cannot insta wipe/lock post about how badly you are handling this cheating problem..

It is destroying PVP.
It is destroying the economy..
It is destroying players faith in you..
It is destroying players willingness to keep playing this game..

Even if you couldn't fix the problem within the next 10 minutes at least communicate with us and make it look like you are seriously doing something..

I am cheering for you ZOS because I love ESO, but you gotta do something to restore our faith in you here lol..

AlnilamE

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

So someone discovered a hack to unbind Maelstrom gear and put it up for sale?

Is that what you are trying to say? Because the stuff from Rewards for the Worthy is not that valuable at this point, and end of campaign rewards only arrive at the end of the campaign, regardless of how much AP someone got.

I understand people are upset about cheaters and I hope ZOS is working as quickly as they can to find a solution and ban those caught cheating, but if you think that the scenario you are describing is because of cheats, then you will have to explain that in a bit more detail.

maelstrom drops like necklace of the worm are not bound. they go for over 100k easy. i'm talking about the MSA drops, not the VMSA drops. not to mention people can steamroll through vet dungeons like nothing now and get an influx of agility rings/willpower rings into the market. yes, the cheats are destroying the market. rewards of the worthy do give valuable gear from time to time, like marksman rings. it should be self explanatory understanding which items are getting a grotesque increase in supply due to the cheats now. take a look for yourself. practically any item not bound on pickup is subject to this.

how else do you explain the influx of these items in the market then? just a coincidence? magic?!

I've not run Maelstrom in a while, but when I did, everything there was bound. If they added non-bound stuff, that's a great thing, IMO. I may have to go run it again. But if you are talking about normal Maestrom, you really don't need cheats to get through that unless your build is really bad.

Worm also drops from Maw of Lorkhaj (and in v14 purple from vet dungeons). I have several pieces form Maw and I've not even finished it in normal yet.

Agility/Willpower have been dropping in price for a while now, since most people already have it. They also drop from the final bosses in normal dungeons, and if people are like me and do the random normal dungeon almost daily, they are bound to get them (in fact, I find it more likely to get Agility/Willpower/Endurance from Normal dungeons than from Vet ones because the vet dungeons have the boss helms in their drop table too).

Also, keep in mind that a lot of people are farming TV stones before the death penalty changes to 50% regardless of whether you die of PvP or PvE, and you are bound to accumulate enough trophies to get into the vaults reasonably quickly.

Marksman Rings were also available at the Helm vendor a month or so back. At a 60k price tag but who knows? Maybe someone was stupid enough to think they could resell for higher?

I will, as you say, have a look around, although I personally don't care about any of these precious items (except for Willpower rings, some day I will upgrade my sorc to Arcane). I will also have a look at MM data and see if there are any price curves that seem out of the ordinary.

But as with anything that's been on the market for more than 3 months, prices will drop considerably. Remember when it took a million gold to complete a Psijic Ambrosia recipe? Now you could get it together for 15k.

Kalante

lol this is worse than the craft bag exploit and it is amazing how people are taking this so lightly. This is basically a slap in the face to people that played cyrodiil. Hey we made performance worse! and guess what? hacks still bypass our code huehuehuehuehue. I guess now we will have to sacrifice pve in order to fix this new influx of hacks.

AdmiralSam

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

So someone discovered a hack to unbind Maelstrom gear and put it up for sale?

Is that what you are trying to say? Because the stuff from Rewards for the Worthy is not that valuable at this point, and end of campaign rewards only arrive at the end of the campaign, regardless of how much AP someone got.

I understand people are upset about cheaters and I hope ZOS is working as quickly as they can to find a solution and ban those caught cheating, but if you think that the scenario you are describing is because of cheats, then you will have to explain that in a bit more detail.

maelstrom drops like necklace of the worm are not bound. they go for over 100k easy. i'm talking about the MSA drops, not the VMSA drops. not to mention people can steamroll through vet dungeons like nothing now and get an influx of agility rings/willpower rings into the market. yes, the cheats are destroying the market. rewards of the worthy do give valuable gear from time to time, like marksman rings. it should be self explanatory understanding which items are getting a grotesque increase in supply due to the cheats now. take a look for yourself. practically any item not bound on pickup is subject to this.

how else do you explain the influx of these items in the market then? just a coincidence? magic?!

Maelstom only drops bound items. Worm/ebon/hircine comes from maw.

susmitds

Gear is totally and completely and absolutely server based. There is no way to manipulate it in the client-side.

Rohamad_Ali

I guess everything's been damaged at this point . PvE , PvP and the economy . Once the threats eliminated the game will recover over time . Stay positive . People abusing the system are being removed as we speak .

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

maelstrom drops like necklace of the worm are not bound. they go for over 100k easy. i'm talking about the MSA drops, not the VMSA drops. not to mention people can steamroll through vet dungeons like nothing now and get an influx of agility rings/willpower rings into the market.

Did you possibly mean Maw of Lorkhaj, rather than Maelstrom? You don't get any good jewelry from nonvet Maelstrom.
Other than purple agility/willpower set items (small random drop chance in group dungeons including nonvet), the good jewelry comes from either vet MSA, vet Maw, PvP leaderboards, or Weekly trial leaderboards.
Note that a lot of the Agility/Willpower rings are simply from grinding Sewers for trophy drops, while people are waiting for the new DLC to come out. The drop rate in group dungeons is too low to be worth doing for that.

Tandor

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Even if you couldn't fix the problem within the next 10 minutes at least communicate with us and make it look like you are seriously doing something..

They already have communicated with us, both yesterday and today.

AlnilamE

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

maelstrom drops like necklace of the worm are not bound. they go for over 100k easy. i'm talking about the MSA drops, not the VMSA drops. not to mention people can steamroll through vet dungeons like nothing now and get an influx of agility rings/willpower rings into the market.

Did you possibly mean Maw of Lorkhaj, rather than Maelstrom? You don't get any good jewelry from nonvet Maelstrom.
Other than purple agility/willpower set items (small random drop chance in group dungeons including nonvet), the good jewelry comes from either vet MSA, vet Maw, PvP leaderboards, or Weekly trial leaderboards.
Note that a lot of the Agility/Willpower rings are simply from grinding Sewers for trophy drops, while people are waiting for the new DLC to come out. The drop rate in group dungeons is too low to be worth doing for that.

The other thing to consider is that since Hakeijo will be purchasable with Tel Var stones as of tomorrow, a lot of people may be stocking up on those. I'm really interested in what the price curve for those will be. But in the short run, the trophies are a by-product and anything that becomes a by-product of a farmed item ends up dropping in price.

khele23eb17_ESO

A flood of cheap agility jewellery? Right... as if. Even if there was, its just another oportunity for people sitting on millions of gold playing the market. Buy up the cheap stuff re-sell it later after ZoS fixes the exploit and prices return to normal. Profit.

CokeVoAYCE

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

maelstrom drops like necklace of the worm are not bound. they go for over 100k easy. i'm talking about the MSA drops, not the VMSA drops. not to mention people can steamroll through vet dungeons like nothing now and get an influx of agility rings/willpower rings into the market.

Did you possibly mean Maw of Lorkhaj, rather than Maelstrom? You don't get any good jewelry from nonvet Maelstrom.
Other than purple agility/willpower set items (small random drop chance in group dungeons including nonvet), the good jewelry comes from either vet MSA, vet Maw, PvP leaderboards, or Weekly trial leaderboards.
Note that a lot of the Agility/Willpower rings are simply from grinding Sewers for trophy drops, while people are waiting for the new DLC to come out. The drop rate in group dungeons is too low to be worth doing for that.

oh yeah and worm jewelry is maw of lorkhaj, sorry. i get the loot from DLC mixed up since i didn't buy any of the DLCs yet.

SeptimusDova

OP a lot of people are getting rid of stuff to make room and get gold for the new sets coming in.

s7732425ub17_ESO

*Facepalm at OP*

You do realize that a bunch of PVP campaigns just ended yesterday. Which means *tons* of gold and purple VR16 PVP jewelry.

Logicbomb00

I'd actually say that it's people that buy low and sell high that are the ones destroying the economy. Driving the price up on things because you're such a lazy git that you can't even EARN your own gold is a sad way to play the game. And in the end it's a fake world with fake gold so why even get so uptight about it. This is my first mmo and I can tell you that my dreams of a pleasant peaceful community where everyone got along and helped each other was shattered by the blatant capitalism, underhanded trading practices of both players and guilds alike, and cheating / hacking that goes on in the game. I suppose I should stress the word GAME.

People need to take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the scenery and the cool dungeons we've got to explore together, and maybe make someone elses day at the expense of gold, or dps, or where you are on the leaderboards.

CokeVoAYCE

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

I'd actually say that it's people that buy low and sell high that are the ones destroying the economy. Driving the price up on things because you're such a lazy git that you can't even EARN your own gold is a sad way to play the game. And in the end it's a fake world with fake gold so why even get so uptight about it. This is my first mmo and I can tell you that my dreams of a pleasant peaceful community where everyone got along and helped each other was shattered by the blatant capitalism, underhanded trading practices of both players and guilds alike, and cheating / hacking that goes on in the game. I suppose I should stress the word GAME.

People need to take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the scenery and the cool dungeons we've got to explore together, and maybe make someone elses day at the expense of gold, or dps, or where you are on the leaderboards.

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

Logicbomb00

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

I'd actually say that it's people that buy low and sell high that are the ones destroying the economy. Driving the price up on things because you're such a lazy git that you can't even EARN your own gold is a sad way to play the game. And in the end it's a fake world with fake gold so why even get so uptight about it. This is my first mmo and I can tell you that my dreams of a pleasant peaceful community where everyone got along and helped each other was shattered by the blatant capitalism, underhanded trading practices of both players and guilds alike, and cheating / hacking that goes on in the game. I suppose I should stress the word GAME.

People need to take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the scenery and the cool dungeons we've got to explore together, and maybe make someone elses day at the expense of gold, or dps, or where you are on the leaderboards.

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

Actually If I didn't need the item personally I'd leave it there so that some player without as much gold as I have and needs it to complete the build they've been working on for ages can get a great deal and feel happy about the game. Meh. I know I'm a dreamer that lives in a fantasy world within a fantasy world and that I'll never be able to reach or understand the people that bring their real world garbage into the game, so there's no point arguing. It's possible to make as much gold as you'll ever need simply by doing writs, farming materials and selling stuff for reasonable prices. Playing the game and earning it. Not bludging off the sweat of someone elses back and taking advantage of those that don't know any better.

newtinmpls

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

I'd actually say that it's people that buy low and sell high that are the ones destroying the economy. Driving the price up on things because you're such a lazy git that you can't even EARN your own gold is a sad way to play the game. And in the end it's a fake world with fake gold so why even get so uptight about it. This is my first mmo and I can tell you that my dreams of a pleasant peaceful community where everyone got along and helped each other was shattered by the blatant capitalism, underhanded trading practices of both players and guilds alike, and cheating / hacking that goes on in the game. I suppose I should stress the word GAME.

People need to take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the scenery and the cool dungeons we've got to explore together, and maybe make someone elses day at the expense of gold, or dps, or where you are on the leaderboards.

I like your playstyle. I'm here to have fun as well.

If you happen to be on PC NA and need something, give a yell and I'll help if I can.

newtinmpls

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

I likely won't ever know if I have that opportunity as it seems so inherently unethical that reading your post gives me hives.

OTOH if that's what is fun for you - go for it.

CokeVoAYCE

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

I'd actually say that it's people that buy low and sell high that are the ones destroying the economy. Driving the price up on things because you're such a lazy git that you can't even EARN your own gold is a sad way to play the game. And in the end it's a fake world with fake gold so why even get so uptight about it. This is my first mmo and I can tell you that my dreams of a pleasant peaceful community where everyone got along and helped each other was shattered by the blatant capitalism, underhanded trading practices of both players and guilds alike, and cheating / hacking that goes on in the game. I suppose I should stress the word GAME.

People need to take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the scenery and the cool dungeons we've got to explore together, and maybe make someone elses day at the expense of gold, or dps, or where you are on the leaderboards.

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

Actually If I didn't need the item personally I'd leave it there so that some player without as much gold as I have and needs it to complete the build they've been working on for ages can get a great deal and feel happy about the game. Meh. I know I'm a dreamer that lives in a fantasy world within a fantasy world and that I'll never be able to reach or understand the people that bring their real world garbage into the game, so there's no point arguing. It's possible to make as much gold as you'll ever need simply by doing writs, farming materials and selling stuff for reasonable prices. Playing the game and earning it. Not bludging off the sweat of someone elses back and taking advantage of those that don't know any better.

newtinmpls wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

I likely won't ever know if I have that opportunity as it seems so inherently unethical that reading your post gives me hives.

OTOH if that's what is fun for you - go for it.

to be fair, i don't list items overpriced. i just buy the items that are so insanely underpriced, that when i sell them back for maybe 5-10% off i still make huge profit. trading is not the main thing i do in the game too, btw. i trade for maybe 30 minutes, and then i level characters, do dungeons, or pvp. not to mention i also make enough gold to do giveaways of gear and gold from time to time too. it's not as unethical as you're making it out to be. it's just what i find to be the easiest and best source of revenue for when i need it.

clayandaudrey_ESO

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

inb4 thread lock.

Off course you are inb4 thread locked. You posted the thread.

Stupidest thing I have read all day.

Logicbomb00

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

I'd actually say that it's people that buy low and sell high that are the ones destroying the economy. Driving the price up on things because you're such a lazy git that you can't even EARN your own gold is a sad way to play the game. And in the end it's a fake world with fake gold so why even get so uptight about it. This is my first mmo and I can tell you that my dreams of a pleasant peaceful community where everyone got along and helped each other was shattered by the blatant capitalism, underhanded trading practices of both players and guilds alike, and cheating / hacking that goes on in the game. I suppose I should stress the word GAME.

People need to take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the scenery and the cool dungeons we've got to explore together, and maybe make someone elses day at the expense of gold, or dps, or where you are on the leaderboards.

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

Actually If I didn't need the item personally I'd leave it there so that some player without as much gold as I have and needs it to complete the build they've been working on for ages can get a great deal and feel happy about the game. Meh. I know I'm a dreamer that lives in a fantasy world within a fantasy world and that I'll never be able to reach or understand the people that bring their real world garbage into the game, so there's no point arguing. It's possible to make as much gold as you'll ever need simply by doing writs, farming materials and selling stuff for reasonable prices. Playing the game and earning it. Not bludging off the sweat of someone elses back and taking advantage of those that don't know any better.

newtinmpls wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen. the poor are always mad when the rich make good trade deals and get richer, but would quickly hop on the same deals if given the opportunity. lurn2tradem8.

I likely won't ever know if I have that opportunity as it seems so inherently unethical that reading your post gives me hives.

OTOH if that's what is fun for you - go for it.

to be fair, i don't list items overpriced. i just buy the items that are so insanely underpriced, that when i sell them back for maybe 5-10% off i still make huge profit. trading is not the main thing i do in the game too, btw. i trade for maybe 30 minutes, and then i level characters, do dungeons, or pvp. not to mention i also make enough gold to do giveaways of gear and gold from time to time too. it's not as unethical as you're making it out to be. it's just what i find to be the easiest and best source of revenue for when i need it.

Well that's a big turn around from the hue and cry you made about losing 100's of 1000's of gold and leaving the game because your 'buy low / sell high' market had been destroyed. But whatever. I just hope that maybe you and others walk away from this thread with a just a little less care for fake gold and a little more care for real people and enjoying this beautiful game with them and the community.

Casterial

IMO, MM and other "average guild based price checkers" are causing the market to fail.

-> It is great that PVPers make some money now.
-> Before MM People would just discuss through multiple trade guilds a good price,
(Columbine was like 90gold!!)
-> After MM released people used TOP TIER trading guild prices in expensive zones for all zones, making the market unbalanced for all. No (Columbine is 300G!!)

It is also market inflation, PVP gives you about 50-100k depending on how many you have involved in it.
But not only PVP, trade guild raffles, and just trade guild leaders often have 8-15million laying around spare to spend.
Raffles, and other events hosted often make someone very rich.

Even if you think about it. It's just people with money spending it on over priced items when said new item is released, they don't know how to get it but someone listed it 900k and they wanted it, and have the money. They will buy it.

Marksman gold V16 rings were ONE MILLION when they released because of this!

Yinmaigao

Hmmm...

If everything is so cheap, maybe I should log in and fill my bags

Oh wait... my bags are full of mats until tomorrow ;(

disintegr8

I guess people play this game for different reasons but playing it only to make in game gold seems strange to me. I do not play PVP but still have way too much to do in the game to worry about how much gold I can make. Not being a min/maxer I have never bought any item of jewelry or armour to wear, just the occasional piece for researching, so have more gold than I think I will ever need.

Not sure if I am the sort of person the OP likes or hates as I have recently started selling, mainly to clear excess inventory, and do not care about getting top dollar. I am more concerned with clearing space so am happy to turn stuff over rather than worry too much about getting as much as I can for it.

DaveMoeDee

AlnilamE wrote: »

So someone discovered a hack to unbind Maelstrom gear and put it up for sale?

Is that what you are trying to say? Because the stuff from Rewards for the Worthy is not that valuable at this point, and end of campaign rewards only arrive at the end of the campaign, regardless of how much AP someone got.

I understand people are upset about cheaters and I hope ZOS is working as quickly as they can to find a solution and ban those caught cheating, but if you think that the scenario you are describing is because of cheats, then you will have to explain that in a bit more detail.

Reward jewelry had decent prices when I looked in MM.

newtinmpls

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

well when you have the option to buy an arcane willpower ring for 5k and sell it for 80k within 3 hours and you turn it down then i'll listen.

I then said:
I likely won't ever know if I have that opportunity as it seems so inherently unethical that reading your post gives me hives.

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

to be fair, i don't list items overpriced. i just buy the items that are so insanely underpriced, that when i sell them back for maybe 5-10% off i still make huge profit

If the above is an example of your "I don't list items overpriced" then what you seem to be saying is that you work hard to undercut the folks who might benefit from the occasional "underpriced" item.

I decon everything, hoard interesting set bits for "someday" and rarely have more than 10K across an entire account.

If people like you had their way people who play like me would never have the opportunity to purchase a willpower ring, because I would never be able to afford it.

OTOH if I never have the "best in slot gear" I'll still have fun, so while I do see this as not ethical, I just don't do it, and I don't spent a lot of time worrying about what else anyone is doing - unless we cross paths in the forum - and then I'll be as opinionated as all get out just for the fun of the debate.