Cheating - scoruge - ps4

outsideworld76

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

nikigwil wrote: »

No rules were broken at all.

No not officially, and some would say there are double agents in real life too. The problem with that is in real life you can catch and stop the double agent. In eso 5 they are immortal.

Immortal? No... no... just add a few double agents in your alliance to do the killing of the other alliance it's double agents.

Maff

Can't say I have seen AD do anything that would be considered cheating in Scourge since i joined when Azura's went non cp. I have only heard about DC pulling these stunts but i believe it's happened. EP I have seen though. Running DC characters to stand on the keep walls so their EP nightblades can jump in during a siege and running scrolls back.
Cheap tactics from both factions. What makes it even more cheap is the players doing it are competent fighters and don't need to do these silly things to make gains.

Snape2255

It's a shame, however EP have just done EXACTLY what they are complaining about to get Faregyl over without it going under siege. Hypocritical really.

Ballcap

nikigwil wrote: »

No rules were broken at all.

I am an AD player but that is still a crappy thing to do. I didn't like it when it happened to AD and I don't like AD cheating like that in return. Call it what you want, but it is cheating.

nikigwil

I am also an AD player in that campaign and its no different from pact players keeping our bottom three keeps and gate ganking us so the covenant could crown emporer.
This campaign has turned in a sad direction.

Serjustin19

Hi all. Since were on this subject. I have a question. Since I am very recognizable. I have ran into you guys. Same for when you guys ran into me. I know some of you guys read my forum pages of my concerns about me. I thank you for your all reply.

However is it considered cheating if I suddenly switch alliance within same day and or within 4 days? With the new changes that came to thieves guild for Cyrodiil. (3 months ago?) Were we can switch alliance easily in same campaign.

In my forums. I mentioned that I have issues on which alliance I should belong. That for some reason it is hard to find one and stay. Now I am back serving AD. On my new character I made. Was DC for 4 days. Yet I am still undecided no offense. I am still unsure where I belong.

However if me switching alliance within 4 days and or same day is considered cheating. I must appologise and sorry for doing so. Please note. When I do switch in different alliance. I don't tell were my comrades whom I fight alongside. Were ther locations are. Or where are they planning to go next.

Therefore I was and never am a spy. There were some instance however where I become still in battlefield. Due to the following of me frezzing and getting kicked out of game and or when I was suddenly needed at my home. I do feel guilty when my "current"comrades do get destroyed in pvp without me being there to help them. When this does happen I hope my current comrades think me not being spy.

I am also to antisocial for me being a spy and tell everyone locations are. Someday I can actually stay in one place and enjoy pvp more. I want others to have fun to.

nikigwil

So many have more than one character on different alliances in the same campaign. Its when they use those alts to have an advantage. You are just having some fun on all alliances

Snape2255

Make your own thread with these questions Justin and stop hijacking others. You've asked this question multiple times. Stop. It's tedious.

Your post has absolutely zero relevance to the topic at hand, and is not even an attempt at updating the situation. It doesn't even mention anything to do with the topic.

With respect, I think you're just looking for attention. Go make your own thread and stop asking the same crap everywhere you go.



Getting back on topic; I am seeing an ever increasing number of EP players making AD alts on Scourge. Is this due to differences arising in EP, or are these more "spies" per se? There are also multiple cases of EP doing precisely what this thread is complaining about. Could this hypocritical crap please stop?

It's a vicious cycle, really:

1. EP Do this crap
2. AD Copy this crap
3. EP Complain about AD
4. Repeat steps

Pathetic.

Serjustin19

Snape2255 wrote: »

Make your own thread with these questions Justin and stop hijacking others. You've asked this question multiple times. Stop. It's tedious.

Your post has absolutely zero relevance to the topic at hand, and is not even an attempt at updating the situation. It doesn't even mention anything to do with the topic.

With respect, I think you're just looking for attention. Go make your own thread and stop asking the same crap everywhere you go.



Getting back on topic; I am seeing an ever increasing number of EP players making AD alts on Scourge. Is this due to differences arising in EP, or are these more "spies" per se? There are also multiple cases of EP doing precisely what this thread is complaining about. Could this hypocritical crap please stop?

It's a vicious cycle, really:

1. EP Do this crap
2. AD Copy this crap
3. EP Complain about AD
4. Repeat steps

Pathetic.

I must appolpogise. I meet no offense. I not trying to steal any posts. If I am I'm sorry. I just keep rereading this post. Before I wrote. With respect. I not trying get attention. No offense. It sounds like it though. I am sorry if it seems this way.

However this is unitingieble to me. Therefore what makes since to you in respect. Not make since with me. Since I am greatly mistaken. Which now I think I am. Thanks for pointing out.

In honestly I should've ask questions before what I wrote in this thread. In honestly even though this post is greatly intruging. Hence why I decided to stop by. I am very confused on what your guys were writing. Again I should've asked before I answered. I am sorry.

In simplest terms to help me understand. What are you guys actually saying. I am so confused.

willymchilybily

@Snape2255 it's technically not hypocritical unless I who made the post does it. And all 8 of my characters are EP. But sad if that's occured today by the same faction I play. The only EP guys I know personally with alts in another faction have DC alts. The red yellow divide runs deep!

My experience hasn't tarnished my view of all AD by the actions of a select few. I would hope it cuts both ways.I did hear a fair few AD unhappy about the culprit doing this and switched campaigns, or stopped playing till he was out the running as yellow emporer. my respect to those who do hold themselves to a higher standed of play. I've enjoyed many a skirmish against worthy yellow, some even managed not to teabag.

Im unclear on your other post and how a person can use an enemy faction alt to take a castle without sieging it. Can only guess glitching in? DK leap? A red in a banana costume standing there as a jump point for multiple DKs . Can you still knock walls down enough to jump up, without triggering siege status?

It's a little different from immortal scroll carrier. But such abuse and "tactics" now allow for many potential exploits. Looking forward to a fix before people start other exploits. Will it be long before we see low hp "friendly" players standing naked in the middle of groups to aid vicious death bombers, or dying intentionally and using up as many tent lives as possible? Or simply quickly switch characters to find the exact location of all the enemy tents they've hidden so well. When it's easy as just a relog. Is there at least a time limit before some can switch characters/faction into a campaign they were just in.

outsideworld76

Serjustwhy wrote: »

In simplest terms to help me understand. What are you guys actually saying. I am so confused.

That's simple, you are NOT a traitor, but TS is a snitch

Snape2255

Simplest way they do it is walking in and out of doors to glitch them inside with chains/teleport strike or standing where they can leap etc. They get inside and take the flags before it comes under siege.

Being able to enter a campaign with multiple factions ruins it and needs to be addressed.

outsideworld76

willymchilybily wrote: »

Will it be long before we see low hp "friendly" players standing naked in the middle of groups to aid vicious death bombers, or dying intentionally and using up as many tent lives as possible?

Mmm... when crafting bags come to PS4 I might just fire one of my mules and role a really bad dressed, two left handed and always drunk Nord. I will send him to Cyrodiil and hopefully the EP can put some discipline into him.

Turelus

The issue with this "mechanic" is that the counter to it is to be playing character you don't want to.

If you're fighting for a specific faction it's because you want to be playing for that faction, not logging into your alt constantly to kill people logging into their alts to win.

Now if players holding scrolls were killable by everyone it would be fine, the spy takes your scroll and you kill them and take it back, however the amount of trolling would be even worse.

Just wondering if there are any plans in the works to counter this new issue @ZOS_BrianWheeler as it's not enjoyable gameplay for those having it done against them.

EDIT
Also please stop with the blaming one another for doing it and try to focus on that it is an issue and should be address and ways that can be done. I don't care which faction does it or did it first, it needs to have a counter or be stopped in some way.

G0DS_DEMON

We had this same issue on Xbox NA (Scourge). A red player got on his yellow character and took a scroll and ran it back to the red side of the map. Them only thing we could do was have someone on our side jump on his red character and kill the person that was cheating.

Serjustin19

Snape2255 wrote: »

Simplest way they do it is walking in and out of doors to glitch them inside with chains/teleport strike or standing where they can leap etc. They get inside and take the flags before it comes under siege.

Being able to enter a campaign with multiple factions ruins it and needs to be addressed.

Thank you. This help me out greatly. I'm no longer confused.

Xvorg

Snape2255 wrote: »

Simplest way they do it is walking in and out of doors to glitch them inside with chains/teleport strike or standing where they can leap etc. They get inside and take the flags before it comes under siege.

Being able to enter a campaign with multiple factions ruins it and needs to be addressed.

Sorry, do you understand the true meaning of the word war

There's no honor, there's no loyalty, there's no such a thing as "fairness". If you want to carry your actions within this game through honor, it is your decision (as it is mine too), but under no cirscuntances you can force others to do the same.

Though I agree, there should be a way to punish those spies without switching alliance. I'd rather work on that rather than forbidding people to do what you are supposed to do in war.

Snape2255

Xvorg wrote: »

Snape2255 wrote: »

Simplest way they do it is walking in and out of doors to glitch them inside with chains/teleport strike or standing where they can leap etc. They get inside and take the flags before it comes under siege.

Being able to enter a campaign with multiple factions ruins it and needs to be addressed.

Sorry, do you understand the true meaning of the word war

There's no honor, there's no loyalty, there's no such a thing as "fairness". If you want to carry your actions within this game through honor, it is your decision (as it is mine too), but under no cirscuntances you can force others to do the same.

Though I agree, there should be a way to punish those spies without switching alliance. I'd rather work on that rather than forbidding people to do what you are supposed to do in war.

You're implying that in a real war a soldier can sit down for 10 seconds, disappear and then come back wearing another country's uniform, help his original country, sit back down for another 10 seconds and then come back again in his original uniform.

Sure there are spies in real war, but the current state of affairs is ridiculous and does not replicate this aspect whatsoever. It simply allows players to constantly enter the SAME campaign on any faction and hinder enemies with no repercussions. At least in real war if found doing something like that the repercussions would be lifetime imprisonment, torture and/or death.

What do you get on ESO for doing that? "Oh naughty boy, now run back to your alliance so they can tell you how awesome you are."

Yawn.

AJ_1988

This is what happens when they allow multi toons on multi factions in same campaign and free to switch as they please. It's bad on Xbox. I hope the ban hammer comes out

reiverx

Some little twit was ferrying blues into Bloodmayne last night. They weren't even trying to hide it.

Alliance War? LOL.