Malubeth's, The OP and the bugged.

Ahzek

Scourge Harvester: Fixed an issue where the heal from this item set’s proc was being reduced by Battle Spirit; healing based on damage done will no longer be double-penalized by Battle Spirit."

This line is part of the PTS 2.4.0 patch and somewhat made my jaws drop.
Anyone into small scale PvP already knows about the power malubeth has with its 30% healing buff, which is basically up 100% off the time in outnumbered situations/ when being hit with fast attacks or a few DoTs (primarily flurry).
Now they buffed the healing the set does on top of that, even though the set would even be perfectly viable without it.

However, this is just where the fun starts. Just take a look at this screenshot:

Note, it was lucky i was able to get a screenshot off this happening, it seems very hard to reproduce, but in actual combat szenarios i had this happen quite frequently.
obviously, this is especially annyoing when the malubeth user is just about to get killed only to get saved by the bugged procc.


Edit: trying to figure out how attaching screenshots works after i already made multiple threads with it working ...
To summarize it, it showed a 0:04 secs combat log with malubeth healing myself for 10k HPs.

imgur.com/AhXOcmB

I guess this will have to do.

holosoul

You'll need to upload the file in order for it to be viewable online, ESO.com will not host your images.

Without having to register for some annoying service like photobucket, you can use https://anonmgur.com/ for example, which allows you to upload temporary images anonymously.

Ahzek

holosoul wrote: »

You'll need to upload the file in order for it to be viewable online, ESO.com will not host your images.

Without having to register for some annoying service like photobucket, you can use https://anonmgur.com/ for example, which allows you to upload temporary images anonymously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171068/christmas-in-tamriel#latest In here the forums hosted my images just fine ...

Ahzek

Updated the OP with a link to the screenshot.
Im terrible at this internet thingy ...

glavius

I think the problem is that Zenimax think the healing of malubeth is based on the dmg the proc does. If that was true, it would make perfect sense to make it behave like puncturing sweeps etc.
But it's basically 2 seperate calculations that are in no way related.
Which means in my combat log I will see 200 outgoing dmg from it but a 1-5k heal or so.

On top of that it looks like it's affected by some bug making it heal even more sometimes.

FloppyTouch

I tried this set on my magic Templar to see how op the set really was. I'm not sure if I'm missing something but I died just as fast when being target by 3-4+ players. BoL was healing the same even when the set was proc but my heals alway bring me up to full health.

I used 5 kags light 3 will power and malubeth maybe I'm doing this wrong but I just don't see how it's op. After one day of pvping with it I went right back to my old set up.

Ep1kMalware

I don't see how it's OP. It's just a healing set >.> w=after you crybabies nerf this, what's next? engine guardian too OP plz nerf? Good on you zenimax for sticking your foot in the ground for once.

RoyJade

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

Ep1kMalware

what about a stam dk running tava's favor and shuffle. and mmm those maelstrom axes.

glavius

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

I have seen very little from ZOS regarding this set. Can't really find any forum threads either except this one.
But I sure hope you're right.

glavius

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

I don't see how it's OP. It's just a healing set >.> w=after you crybabies nerf this, what's next? engine guardian too OP plz nerf? Good on you zenimax for sticking your foot in the ground for once.

It's simply too powerful. Everyone and their mother is running it in pvp now, and one proc will bring almost anyone back to full hp.
On my build with lowish points in blessed it heals for an average of 11.5k in pvp, while at the same time buffing all my other heals by 30%. It makes dot builds pretty much useless since they proc it all the time.

What if skoria did 11.5k dmg after battlespirit, would you say it's balanced? And skoria only procs on dots while malubeth procs on everything.

Cinbri

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

leepalmer95

I've seen someome with major mending get around 4.5k vigor ticks with this.

This is after the 12k + heal it originally gave. Guy cast vigor before it proc'd as well. Literally full hp in like 2 seconds with this proc and 2 vigor ticks...

maxjapank

Cinbri wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

Someone is still going to complain about this set. Just as @leepalmer95 complains about RD.

leepalmer95

maxjapank wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

Someone is still going to complain about this set. Just as @leepalmer95 complains about RD.

Who are you? and why are you so salty?

Oh wait.

Alchuri v16 Templar Healer /dps


Well this explains a lot, don't worry i'd likely be salty too if someone talked about balancing one of the only two skills i use.
If i understand your play style your one of those 'healbots' who basically use two skills, BOL and RD.

This is making sense now, i'd be annoyed too if someone whose played all the classes to pvp at least rank 20 and has sufficient experience playing against and using them has an opinion that my 'dps' skill needs balancing.

Don't worry if RD is fixed and you don't use it because you actually have to put some thought into using it, people won't mind if you keep 'dps' in your note despite the fact that RD is your only dps.

Honestly it makes me giggle when people comment on threads about class balance when they'll literally got 1 character and the thread is about balance issues regarding that character, the bias is real.

Wouldn't surprise me if your also wearing malubeth. Come back when it's obvious your not bias.

olsborg

It proccs all the fricking time in 1v1 too, it proccs of dots and direct hits alike. It also heals ppl way too much.

Mojmir

i just tested this set, im not seeing the massive proc'ing

Ep1kMalware

glavius wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

I don't see how it's OP. It's just a healing set >.> w=after you crybabies nerf this, what's next? engine guardian too OP plz nerf? Good on you zenimax for sticking your foot in the ground for once.

It's simply too powerful. Everyone and their mother is running it in pvp now, and one proc will bring almost anyone back to full hp.
On my build with lowish points in blessed it heals for an average of 11.5k in pvp, while at the same time buffing all my other heals by 30%. It makes dot builds pretty much useless since they proc it all the time.

What if skoria did 11.5k dmg after battlespirit, would you say it's balanced? And skoria only procs on dots while malubeth procs on everything.

Dude, malabuth set had been around for ages. unless it JUST broke becaise of an update this is just qq'ers finding something to cry about. If it DID get broken recently, sure fix it. If not, well then go back under the rock you've been hiding again. Honestly kinda glad the set is useable. Seems like a nice antigank set tbfh. Me, I'll stick with 2pc kena. But for a change it's a breath of fresh air to see dusty old sets get used.

Ep1kMalware

Besides, my poison injection can leave an 11k dot in pvp, my heavy attacks from stealth crit upwds of 35k on ky stam nb in [pve, And there's a million ways to nullify the buff from malabuth anyway.

leepalmer95

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Besides, my poison injection can leave an 11k dot in pvp, my heavy attacks from stealth crit upwds of 35k on ky stam nb in [pve, And there's a million ways to nullify the buff from malabuth anyway.

11k ticks? Need proof.

maxjapank

leepalmer95 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

Someone is still going to complain about this set. Just as @leepalmer95 complains about RD.

Who are you? and why are you so salty?

Oh wait.

Alchuri v16 Templar Healer /dps


Well this explains a lot, don't worry i'd likely be salty too if someone talked about balancing one of the only two skills i use.
If i understand your play style your one of those 'healbots' who basically use two skills, BOL and RD.

This is making sense now, i'd be annoyed too if someone whose played all the classes to pvp at least rank 20 and has sufficient experience playing against and using them has an opinion that my 'dps' skill needs balancing.

Don't worry if RD is fixed and you don't use it because you actually have to put some thought into using it, people won't mind if you keep 'dps' in your note despite the fact that RD is your only dps.

Honestly it makes me giggle when people comment on threads about class balance when they'll literally got 1 character and the thread is about balance issues regarding that character, the bias is real.

Wouldn't surprise me if your also wearing malubeth. Come back when it's obvious your not bias.

Guess I hit a nerve with you. So to be more clear so you don't make assumptions. Quit whining about stuff. Play your toon and quit asking for nerfs. The constant crying about how this and that is too op, when they really aren't, is a losing mentality.

Ahzek

Its kinda funny people come to this thread now that there have been at least 3 other (and bigger) threads on about malubeth.

This is more about the bug causing malubeth to tick for stupid amounts for no reason, rather than about how *** the set is even when it functions as it is supposed to.

Birdovic

I think I saw a thread where ZOS confirmed this a bug and to be fixed with a incremental Patch next week, so everything is cool..I guess?

Lokey0024

Yea it's getting fixed, and the scrubs are salty AF they have to hobble along without the crutch.

leepalmer95

maxjapank wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

Someone is still going to complain about this set. Just as @leepalmer95 complains about RD.

Who are you? and why are you so salty?

Oh wait.

Alchuri v16 Templar Healer /dps


Well this explains a lot, don't worry i'd likely be salty too if someone talked about balancing one of the only two skills i use.
If i understand your play style your one of those 'healbots' who basically use two skills, BOL and RD.

This is making sense now, i'd be annoyed too if someone whose played all the classes to pvp at least rank 20 and has sufficient experience playing against and using them has an opinion that my 'dps' skill needs balancing.

Don't worry if RD is fixed and you don't use it because you actually have to put some thought into using it, people won't mind if you keep 'dps' in your note despite the fact that RD is your only dps.

Honestly it makes me giggle when people comment on threads about class balance when they'll literally got 1 character and the thread is about balance issues regarding that character, the bias is real.

Wouldn't surprise me if your also wearing malubeth. Come back when it's obvious your not bias.

Guess I hit a nerve with you. So to be more clear so you don't make assumptions. Quit whining about stuff. Play your toon and quit asking for nerfs. The constant crying about how this and that is too op, when they really aren't, is a losing mentality.

If people didn't ask for balance on this game then every would be a magicka vamp dk which were capable of taking on groups of 30k+.

But people do ask for balance and most of the time zos ignores it and does their own thing.
A lot of people agree that radiant is too strong.

Alcast

10k hp/sec? pfff BUFF PLEASE

bebynnag

my 1st character primarily a crafter but dabbles in pve (khajit stamblade) had this set on, with full briarheart & hundings while skyshard hunting in pvp.

when i encountered an 'enemy player' (they were AD im typically AD, but this character is EP - so hard to see them as the enemy)

i did my best to convey that i meant no harm, and tried to walk past them while they were grinding to collect my shard, however they insisted on attacking me - RD

my helmet procked, they lost about 75% hp! i roll dodged backwards (to break the beam, and prevent them dying)

they BOL & attacked me again (jabs before the change - so i was being stunned), but i broke free & i roll dodged away just in time to save their life,

so yep u guessed it, they attacked again so i stayed put, but this time my briarthorns procked and they were gone..... but never forgotten!

maxjapank

leepalmer95 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

Someone is still going to complain about this set. Just as @leepalmer95 complains about RD.

Who are you? and why are you so salty?

Oh wait.

Alchuri v16 Templar Healer /dps


Well this explains a lot, don't worry i'd likely be salty too if someone talked about balancing one of the only two skills i use.
If i understand your play style your one of those 'healbots' who basically use two skills, BOL and RD.

This is making sense now, i'd be annoyed too if someone whose played all the classes to pvp at least rank 20 and has sufficient experience playing against and using them has an opinion that my 'dps' skill needs balancing.

Don't worry if RD is fixed and you don't use it because you actually have to put some thought into using it, people won't mind if you keep 'dps' in your note despite the fact that RD is your only dps.

Honestly it makes me giggle when people comment on threads about class balance when they'll literally got 1 character and the thread is about balance issues regarding that character, the bias is real.

Wouldn't surprise me if your also wearing malubeth. Come back when it's obvious your not bias.

Guess I hit a nerve with you. So to be more clear so you don't make assumptions. Quit whining about stuff. Play your toon and quit asking for nerfs. The constant crying about how this and that is too op, when they really aren't, is a losing mentality.

If people didn't ask for balance on this game then every would be a magicka vamp dk which were capable of taking on groups of 30k+.

But people do ask for balance and most of the time zos ignores it and does their own thing.
A lot of people agree that radiant is too strong.

But more people think radiant is fine. So what is it when you continually ask for a nerf in the face of what most think is balanced? Malubeth was just fine before DB. No one complained. If there's a bug, then it'll get fixed eventually as acknowledged by ZOS. But the set is not gong to change to the whiners satisfaction. I would be greatly surprised to not see you back on the forums asking for more nerfs.

leepalmer95

maxjapank wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

If I remember, ZOS has acknowledged that Malubeth is bugued (even double buggued), and it will be fixed with monday's patch.

You mean this?:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick note to let you all know that we did find a bug with this set that is being fixed in next week's incremental patch. Again, there is a bug -- this is not a nerf. Essentially, the heal from this item set's proc is incorrectly double-dipping in the Critical Strike Chance modifier and gaining double the benefit it should (and the patch note next week will say as much.)

Well, finally after next patch it won't be shamefull to wear malubeth and i will be able to implement my "hybrid-devourer" build.

Someone is still going to complain about this set. Just as @leepalmer95 complains about RD.

Who are you? and why are you so salty?

Oh wait.

Alchuri v16 Templar Healer /dps


Well this explains a lot, don't worry i'd likely be salty too if someone talked about balancing one of the only two skills i use.
If i understand your play style your one of those 'healbots' who basically use two skills, BOL and RD.

This is making sense now, i'd be annoyed too if someone whose played all the classes to pvp at least rank 20 and has sufficient experience playing against and using them has an opinion that my 'dps' skill needs balancing.

Don't worry if RD is fixed and you don't use it because you actually have to put some thought into using it, people won't mind if you keep 'dps' in your note despite the fact that RD is your only dps.

Honestly it makes me giggle when people comment on threads about class balance when they'll literally got 1 character and the thread is about balance issues regarding that character, the bias is real.

Wouldn't surprise me if your also wearing malubeth. Come back when it's obvious your not bias.

Guess I hit a nerve with you. So to be more clear so you don't make assumptions. Quit whining about stuff. Play your toon and quit asking for nerfs. The constant crying about how this and that is too op, when they really aren't, is a losing mentality.

If people didn't ask for balance on this game then every would be a magicka vamp dk which were capable of taking on groups of 30k+.

But people do ask for balance and most of the time zos ignores it and does their own thing.
A lot of people agree that radiant is too strong.

But more people think radiant is fine. So what is it when you continually ask for a nerf in the face of what most think is balanced? Malubeth was just fine before DB. No one complained. If there's a bug, then it'll get fixed eventually as acknowledged by ZOS. But the set is not gong to change to the whiners satisfaction. I would be greatly surprised to not see you back on the forums asking for more nerfs.

More people you sure about that? The majority of people who think beam is fine are people like you who play one character and use breath of life or beam, thats it.

Perhaps you don't read too much but they changed battle spirit affecting the malubeth proc + 30% bonus, thats why it's very strong at the moment, there is bugs as well, it's dipping into too many cp stars and it's not mean't too. Zos acknowledge there are bugs.

But hey i suppose according to your logic no one should of said anything and the bugs should of just stayed in place, people should ignore the 15k heal proc's its giving off? The more i read your comments the more i'm convinced your a malubeth heal bot templar.

SwaminoNowlino

Nice rule of thumb to live by is that if it contributed to your death, it must be OP.

Malubeth is bugged, they said it was double dipping crit like Puncturing Sweep used to. They said they'll fix it. Maybe they actually will. Then we can see about this whole bypassing battle spirit thing. What's the point in debating it until then? I know some folks not to be named will demand a nerf to anything that ever kills them and anything that prevented their burst from stealth from killing someone else. But still, until someone can demonstrate how it's bypassing battle spirit we just have to wait and see.

Vatter

WELCOME TO ESO!!!