Dynamic population caps!!

Esgameplaya1

Posted this in response to threads Why North American truelflame EP, WHY?? , and PVP is in Pieces right now

10:50pm (California) pacific standard time


1:40am pst

at the time of this last picture I watched 10 ep chase 1 ad
two hours later EP had all inner keeps

Zos take some advice from players please!!
I believe its time for this if possible; a post from almost 2 years ago
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/129494/suggestion-dynamic-population-caps/p1

P.S.
Supporter of Kenappk idea for IC changes

SneaK

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/218020/incremental-caps-to-alliance-populations-in-campaigns

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265701/needs-to-happen-2-qol-fixes-for-cyro

I've tried and tried. Usually unless your post consists of "nerf this" or "so and so sucks and I'm awesome" it won't catch any attention from the narrow minded community.

kuro-dono

ppl love lagg, and single colored maps, and farm enemies at gates, or some elite folks coming into single colored map to farm them n00bs at one resource near gates.

Wing

I think this sounds like a great idea.

I also like loosing emp at 1 keep instead of 0, as that forces emp defense into two keeps instead of one.

there are a few other good changes they could make I'm sure.

vortexman11

We've been asking for this for years now, the fact that it hasn't happened yet is an answer to what ZOS thinks.

booksmcread

I'd be happy with some meaningful outnumbered buffs.

God_flakes

Zos has, via their silence, made clear they don't give a rip about population abuse. They'd rather keep bleeding players than address something that has been a very pervasive game killer. Only guild I can think of that pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and did the hard work of rerolling was VE. Based on the attitudes on EP side right now I do not see anyone with that sort of gumption and courage and thus, this problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

vortexman11

God_flakes wrote: »

Zos has, via their silence, made clear they don't give a rip about population abuse. They'd rather keep bleeding players than address something that has been a very pervasive game killer. Only guild I can think of that pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and did the hard work of rerolling was VE. Based on the attitudes on EP side right now I do not see anyone with that sort of gumption and courage and thus, this problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

You'd be surprised how many EP are just waiting for next week when their Vr1 AD and DC alts will be max level.

God_flakes

vortexman11 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Zos has, via their silence, made clear they don't give a rip about population abuse. They'd rather keep bleeding players than address something that has been a very pervasive game killer. Only guild I can think of that pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and did the hard work of rerolling was VE. Based on the attitudes on EP side right now I do not see anyone with that sort of gumption and courage and thus, this problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

You'd be surprised how many EP are just waiting for next week when their Vr1 AD and DC alts will be max level.

I will believe it when I see it.

Esgameplaya1

God_flakes wrote: »

Zos has, via their silence, made clear they don't give a rip about population abuse. They'd rather keep bleeding players than address something that has been a very pervasive game killer. Only guild I can think of that pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and did the hard work of rerolling was VE. Based on the attitudes on EP side right now I do not see anyone with that sort of gumption and courage and thus, this problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

After looking back in forums and finding many posts on this subject Id have to say this is true.
This a post from over a year go Feb 2015 from BW himself. ITS BEEN OVER A YEAR WTF ZOS!!
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We have looked at population imbalances throughout the release of the game and have seen it change from campaign to campaign, month to month with Ebonheart, Aldmeri and Daggerfall all taking top population spots. As a snap shot, the past three days show the following:
•Haderus has swapped highest population between all three alliances.
•Azura has a steady stream of Aldmeri and Ebonheart, but not much Daggerfall.
•Blackwater has mainly Ebonheart with the highest with Aldmeri slightly behind and again, Daggerfall the lowest.
•Chillrend has Daggerfall with the highest population and Aldmeri/Ebonheart around the same
•Thornblade has Aldmeri and Ebonheart with roughly the same population with a slight edge towards Ebonheart, and Daggerfall trailing.

There are ongoing discussions about how to address population imbalances in the campaigns. Some of the possible solutions include the following: •Limiting population per alliance to match the lowest or median population of the lowest population.
•Giving more XP/AP than we currently do
•Giving alternate siege weapons to the underdog\low-population alliance(s) that do more damage while they have the underdog\low pop bonus.
•Altering Cyrodiil's landscape
•Changing/removing scoring and showing that other campaigns have underdog/low-population bonuses on the Campaign Selection UI
•Doing away with Home and Guest campaign options, so Campaign Reward tiers roll with a character instead of being tied to a campaign so you can play in any campaign you want.

All of these have their pros and cons, some of which may not be immediately apparent but we still have to consider. The last one, for example, would result in all the campaigns having the same duration (so people can't earn tier 3 then hop to a short campaign and get a reward when it ends), and scoring and would be better suited as a meta-score across all campaigns. We would also need to remove the limitation on the accounts which don't let players have characters from opposing alliances in the same campaign (and yes I know that "jump to buddy" circumvents this rule already).

I agree there are many solutions we can explore, and that population imbalances are always a challenge for PVP games in which battles are not instanced to launch on demand. Thanks again for your continued patience in this and many other matters that the PVP community and myself care about deeply.

God_flakes

Thanks for finding that. I wanted to the other day and just didn't have the energy to do it. If you look hard enough and far back enough there is also another thread in which BW admits the enrollment numbers and DC was dead last.

Minno

vortexman11 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Zos has, via their silence, made clear they don't give a rip about population abuse. They'd rather keep bleeding players than address something that has been a very pervasive game killer. Only guild I can think of that pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and did the hard work of rerolling was VE. Based on the attitudes on EP side right now I do not see anyone with that sort of gumption and courage and thus, this problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

You'd be surprised how many EP are just waiting for next week when their Vr1 AD and DC alts will be max level.

My thinking exactly too. Been waiting for this day for a few of my other DC toons.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

I keep telling myself that things will get better next week. It may be a vain hope. PVP is an exercise in frustration these days with the crashes, long load screens and the huge population imbalance. Unfortunately, the only way I see that this could be fixed is to close down Haderus, force the AD and EP to be on the same campaign and then limit the population to somewhere near the average population of the DC. It would mean that the AD and EP queues would measure in HOURS.

Rohamad_Ali

I have the strange feeling I've been here before ... The majority didn't like it either .

Esgameplaya1

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I have the strange feeling I've been here before ... The majority didn't like it either .

You mean the long queues from prior post, or what. Im confused

Esgameplaya1

mid day pst snap shot

Zyle

We've been asking for this for a long time What kills me the most is most of the mechanics required to do so are already in place with the low population bonus.

God_flakes

Esgameplaya1 wrote: »

Is that the pop right now???

Esgameplaya1

Yes it is!!

God_flakes

And I'm sure all 3 bars are chasing down one NB as we speak and spamming caltrops at him or her.