Law of Julianos vs Hunding's Rage

Gargath

I wonder, why there was an intention to divide community by offering Hunding's Rage for all stamina users but Law of Julianos only for those magicka users who got payable Orsinium DLC or subscribers. These sets are best comparative equivalents for stamina and magicka, so why not both available for everyone? I thought that ESO treats players with the principle of equality but it's is a clear contradiction of that principle...

Sizzyy

Morkuldin vs. Kagernacs hope? And kagernacs is more comparable to hundings anyway and not hidden by dlc. Why pick on petty stuff anyway.

SleepyTroll

Just have someone esle craft it.

dwtdwtdwt

Julianos is available to everyone in the game to wear.

But your issue is not with Julianos. There are multiple other gear set locations, besides Julianos, that are only available in DLC, but you didn't mention them. So, what is your real issue?

I don't really see how this is dividing the community, like you say.

clocksstoppe

You don't need DLC access to wear any set piece.

KingYogi415

subscribe a couple times, you can play through every dlc and buy any one you want with the crowns.

Bad_Company

IMHO Julianos is one of the most crafted sets in ESO, you can literally find at least one guild vendor selling it in each city. Also, as many have stated, you can ask anyone to craft it for you and they will gladly do so (some even for free, 'cause the community is nice).

As for "the principle of equality", that's something you won't find anywhere in life. Why? Because it may look like equality to some and not to others. There will always be someone complaining that things are not equal among two or more groups of people. Also, Magicka users get one of the most (let's say THE most) powerful sets in the game for PvP - aka Vicious Death. Many have complained about the fact that Stamina users didn't get an equivalent and ZOS tried to do so with DB - aka Vicecanon of Venom.

It's the way of the world, get used to it and try to adapt yourself to it.

NativeJoe

Gargath wrote: »

I wonder, why there was an intention to divide community by offering Hunding's Rage for all stamina users but Law of Julianos only for those magicka users who got payable Orsinium DLC or subscribers. These sets are best comparative quivalents for stamina and magicka, so why not both available for everyone? I thought that ESO treats players with the principle of equality but it's is a clear contradiction of that principle.

While I agree with your actual message. and understand it... I think personally these sets are going to fall out of favor relatively soon.

As for why it happened... it happened because each dlc adds 3 new crafting stations. and... this was on the to-do-list. (for far to long their wasn't a equivalent) and whether it was intentional or not... it was put behind a pay wall... I think it's wrong to a new comer...

But If you REALLY need this gear... and you don't OWN dlc or sub .... what are you doing that is difficult enough to warrant it?

Sunburnt_Penguin

Firstly, I don't believe there was an intention to divide the community. I assume they didn't include it upon release because they either didn't forsee the demand for max damage and crit or simply believed the other two Magicka craftable sets were suitable. When they realised the demand was there they included a Magicka HR but obviously would've been difficult to add this in to the base-game so chose to make it DLC exclusive. It also promotes purchase of said DLC.

Secondly, I don't believe any division of this exists as it is available to everyone. Sure, if you don't have the DLC you can't create it but that doesn't mean you can't equip it.

Thirdly, following your POV: why do Magicka builds get access to a craftable 5-trait bonus that reduce costs by 8% when the Stamina players are forced to suffer RNG to gain Marksman from PvP? "These sets are best comparative quivalents for stamina and magicka, so why not both available for everyone? I thought that ESO treats players with the principle of equality but it's is a clear contradiction of that principle". Oh yeah, I remember now, see point one.

GreenhaloX

Oh yeah.. I am on the hunt trying to find the Hunding Rage's set. If anyone know where to get one, aside from crafting, do let me know. Would be much appreciated.

willymchilybily

1. base game had soft caps, and other sets available. Only after their removal was this gear and its ilk the unanimously desired
2. There was no available un-used crafting station, you would have to take an existing set away from base game to facilitate inclusion of julianos in base game area. This likely would cause just as many complaints.
3. Anyone can wear any gear. therefore the gear is behind no wall. its just marginally harder to get hold of because ti relies on others.
4. some of the BIS gear is only available in the DLCs (maelstrom weapons, prison/wgt sets, new trials etc) why should it be any different for crafting. If new content is to succeed it must be of interest to as many players as possible including new sets that are better in certain circumstances than old
5. I believe twice born star is on a par with julianos, julianos was only slightly ahead in dps tests conducted when orsinium dropped? It is not the be all and end all if you cant get julianos

JKorr

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Oh yeah.. I am on the hunt trying to find the Hunding Rage's set. If anyone know where to get one, aside from crafting, do let me know. Would be much appreciated.

@GreenhaloX , if you're on the NA pc server, send me mail. I'll craft a set for you, including weapons, improved to green for the cost of the postage. Three things; you supply the nirn if you want that trait, only up to v15 since I don't have unlimited "ruby" level mats, and you pay for the postage. Just the postage. Usually works out to 10 or 12 gold per mail. I'll send you an email with the name. If you have the mats I'd be happy to make you the v16 version.

I really wish that the mail would hold a full set of gear. It can be really aggravating to split up the armor.

idk

Sizzyy wrote: »

Morkuldin vs. Kagernacs hope? And kagernacs is more comparable to hundings anyway and not hidden by dlc. Why pick on petty stuff anyway.

Kag is not even similar to hundings. The OP comparison is exact. Know what your talking about.

With that, anyone can equip Jules regardless of what DLC they have access to. Merely get a guildie to craft it for you and your gtg. Only the crafting stations require dlc access.

Expect any new crafting station to be locked behind a dlc. Expect any new set bonus drop to be locked behind a DLC They have said more set bonus drops will be BoE so some can be purchased.

The goal for Zos is to make some real gold off ESO.

nimander99

Your gripe is with not being able to craft it... You can buy it in guild stores, you just cant craft it if you dont own DLC or sub.

Do what I do, BUY ALL DLC'S OUTRIGHT WITH CROWNS!

GreenhaloX

JKorr wrote: »

@GreenhaloX , if you're on the NA pc server, send me mail. I'll craft a set for you, including weapons, improved to green for the cost of the postage. Three things; you supply the nirn if you want that trait, only up to v15 since I don't have unlimited "ruby" level mats, and you pay for the postage. Just the postage. Usually works out to 10 or 12 gold per mail. I'll send you an email with the name. If you have the mats I'd be happy to make you the v16 version.

I really wish that the mail would hold a full set of gear. It can be really aggravating to split up the armor.

Thanks for that, but I don't have any of those supplies you mentioned. I'll probably end up buying it once I run into a trade guild having it on sale or if I find a crafting template.

Big Tee

Gargath wrote: »

I wonder, why there was an intention to divide community by offering Hunding's Rage for all stamina users but Law of Julianos only for those magicka users who got payable Orsinium DLC or subscribers. These sets are best comparative equivalents for stamina and magicka, so why not both available for everyone? I thought that ESO treats players with the principle of equality but it's is a clear contradiction of that principle.

Do you have any idea how nooby and OP magicka is?

Valrien

Big Tee wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

I wonder, why there was an intention to divide community by offering Hunding's Rage for all stamina users but Law of Julianos only for those magicka users who got payable Orsinium DLC or subscribers. These sets are best comparative equivalents for stamina and magicka, so why not both available for everyone? I thought that ESO treats players with the principle of equality but it's is a clear contradiction of that principle.

Do you have any idea how nooby and OP magicka is?

Do you have any idea how nooby and OP stamina is?

JKorr

GreenhaloX wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

@GreenhaloX , if you're on the NA pc server, send me mail. I'll craft a set for you, including weapons, improved to green for the cost of the postage. Three things; you supply the nirn if you want that trait, only up to v15 since I don't have unlimited "ruby" level mats, and you pay for the postage. Just the postage. Usually works out to 10 or 12 gold per mail. I'll send you an email with the name. If you have the mats I'd be happy to make you the v16 version.

I really wish that the mail would hold a full set of gear. It can be really aggravating to split up the armor.

Thanks for that, but I don't have any of those supplies you mentioned. I'll probably end up buying it once I run into a trade guild having it on sale or if I find a crafting template.

I sent you email. About the only thing you'd have to tell me is what level you want and which weapons you use.

Duiwel

If you enjoy the game support it don't complain OP

Gargath

Like any others I also have the right to complain for what I do not like.
And I already supported this game by purchasing it.

My point was that Hunding's Rage became one of the most popular sets by the choice of community, probably because it's easily available for everyone. I'd like just similar popularity and availability for Julianos, because logic demands that stamina and magicka users have the same access to relevant sets, that's all .

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Eh... It's an MMO. If you want to get access to DLC you need to buy it. If they dont put juicy items in the DLC, the game will probably die.

Also, I see no division. Everyone and their mom can craft in 6-trait across the board. Finding someone to craft Julianos should not be difficult. I am just glad they finally gave magic users a basic stat boosting set like hundings.

Uriel_Nocturne

Gargath wrote: »

Like any others I also have the right to complain for what I do not like.
And I already supported this game by purchasing it.

My point was that Hunding's Rage became one of the most popular sets by the choice of community, probably because it's easily available for everyone. I'd like just similar popularity and availability for Julianos, because logic demands that stamina and magicka users have the same access to relevant sets, that's all .

This is an MMO.

It's not a single player, one-off RPG. It's not a buy-once FPS.

MMO's take constant support. Saying that "I bought the base game, I should get everything in equality and for free because I gave them $40/$60 USD" just doesn't fly (and that's really what your argument summarizes down to).

The price paid for DLC, for Crown Store items, and through Subscriptions is what keeps the servers running and maintained, and keeps new content in the development pipeline.

Because of this, there will inevitably be facets of the game added in with new DLC, that you will not be able to access unless you purchase said DLC. That's not "dividing" the community, that's just the business side of an MMO.

Besides, when you fired up the game for the first time, you agreed to this type of business model when you agreed to the ToS and EULA before ever creating your first character.

This is an MMO. This is the way MMO's have been run for decades. They're a completely different beast than any other genre of video game.

Time to get used to it, or move on from MMO's entirely.

And if anyone thinks that these practices are "unfair", keep in mind that many MMO's (and other companies in other game genres) have much worse business practices than Zenimax does with ESO. Much worse.

By comparison, we have it pretty damn good with the way Zenimax runs ESO.

Gargath

Ok, so I understand that I will also support ESO in my way, just by playing only base game and purchasing items like Julianos from those players who support ESO with real money and can craft such sets.
People like me are the market outlet for people like you. Looks like we need ourselves.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

MMO's take constant support. Saying that "I bought the base game, I should get everything in equality and for free because I gave them $40/$60 USD" just doesn't fly (and that's really what your argument summarizes down to).

Point me to where in my post you have seen this argument. I didn't use such and thus your a.m. conclusions are unfair and wrong. Like I didn't know what DLC is or what the base game is. I know very well how it works, I was a ftp, subscriber of swtor for over a year, now pref...

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Im a vrank 5.Dont have DLCs.Im wearing 5 pieces Julianos.It dont divide the community,on the contrary it make it more social when you have to interact with another player for him to craft you the set.

LadyNalcarya

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

Like any others I also have the right to complain for what I do not like.
And I already supported this game by purchasing it.

My point was that Hunding's Rage became one of the most popular sets by the choice of community, probably because it's easily available for everyone. I'd like just similar popularity and availability for Julianos, because logic demands that stamina and magicka users have the same access to relevant sets, that's all .

This is an MMO.

It's not a single player, one-off RPG. It's not a buy-once FPS.

MMO's take constant support. Saying that "I bought the base game, I should get everything in equality and for free because I gave them $40/$60 USD" just doesn't fly (and that's really what your argument summarizes down to).

The price paid for DLC, for Crown Store items, and through Subscriptions is what keeps the servers running and maintained, and keeps new content in the development pipeline.

Because of this, there will inevitably be facets of the game added in with new DLC, that you will not be able to access unless you purchase said DLC. That's not "dividing" the community, that's just the business side of an MMO.

Besides, when you fired up the game for the first time, you agreed to this type of business model when you agreed to the ToS and EULA before ever creating your first character.

This is an MMO. This is the way MMO's have been run for decades. They're a completely different beast than any other genre of video game.

Time to get used to it, or move on from MMO's entirely.

And if anyone thinks that these practices are "unfair", keep in mind that many MMO's (and other companies in other game genres) have much worse business practices than Zenimax does with ESO. Much worse.

By comparison, we have it pretty damn good with the way Zenimax runs ESO.

I agree.
And btw, people tend to forget that its not the first TES game that has dlcs. And that even in Morrowind you couldnt get full daedric set without either killing Divayth Fyr or buying Bloodmoon and Tribunal... Not to mention cool stuff like Trueflame.
Or that in Oblivion one of the coolest parts (Shivering Isles) was "locked behind a paywall". And those were single player games, they did not require servers and such.

P.S. Also I dont see a problem with crafting stations being parts of dlc. After all, you can ask someone to craft the gear.

Uriel_Nocturne

Gargath wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

MMO's take constant support. Saying that "I bought the base game, I should get everything in equality and for free because I gave them $40/$60 USD" just doesn't fly (and that's really what your argument summarizes down to).

Point me to where in my post you have seen this argument. I didn't use such and thus your a.m. conclusions are unfair and wrong. Like I didn't know what DLC is or what the base game is. I know very well how it works, I was a ftp, subscriber of swtor for over a year, now pref...

Where?

I wonder, why there was an intention to divide community by offering Hunding's Rage for all stamina users but Law of Julianos only for those magicka users who got payable Orsinium DLC or subscribers.

How about here?

The summation isn't necessarily about whether or not it's free (though how convenient is it that you completely ignore the rest of my post and focus on one sentence. One sentence that you cherry-picked well out of context...), but the fact that you then mention:

And I already supported this game by purchasing it.

Says that you believe that crafting sets (whether comparable or not), should be available to everyone/anyone.

Why should you get access to anything else added to the game if you're admittedly not going to support the game beyond the meager initial purchase price?

And to counter your other argument; by buying items crafted by people who did buy the DLC, you are still not "supporting the game". Purchases made with in-game Gold do nothing to support the game. People crafting items for you from those DLC Sets, then you buying them for in-game Gold, does nothing to support the game.

It gives Zenimax no additional cash flow, and you're still not supporting them by being able to play the content yourself. they're getting no more increased traffic to those DLC areas, because you are not another player account added to the number of accounts visiting said area.

If you read over your OP again, it very much sums up that you think that the Orsinium (and by extension, all DLC crafted Sets) Sets should be available to everyone rather than included in DLC. My conclusions are both fair and correct. Your request is unfair to those people who actually want to support this game.

To clarify, I'm not upset. But I think you're entirely wrong for asking for what you are.