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JD2013

So, I have a question about the ESO timeline.

We know the game begins in 2E 582, are we in 2E 583 yet? Is time actually moving along in the game?

If so, where will we end up in the history timeline by time the game shuts down (hopefully many years from now!)

Bozrah

Me first

(Not this far though!)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152719/will-eso-ever-see-talos-come-to-power/p1 <---

Tryxus

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

JD2013

Bozrah wrote: »

Me first

(Not this far though!)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152719/will-eso-ever-see-talos-come-to-power/p1 <---

I read that topic! Very interesting premise. As to if we ever get that far? Who knows?

Tryxus wrote: »

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

I presume you've read Kirkbride's Love Letter from the 5th Era? Also an interesting premise. Is his stuff now all canon with Bethesda?

Enodoc

Yes, we are now in 2E 583. One of the books you can find in Wrothgar is a field journal which includes entries for Rain's Hand 583.

JD2013 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

I presume you've read Kirkbride's Love Letter from the 5th Era? Also an interesting premise. Is his stuff now all canon with Bethesda?

I don't think any of Kirkbride's stuff is canon.

Enodoc

Double post

Gidorick

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, we are now in 2E 583. One of the books you can find in Wrothgar is a field journal which includes entries for Rain's Hand 583.

JD2013 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

I presume you've read Kirkbride's Love Letter from the 5th Era? Also an interesting premise. Is his stuff now all canon with Bethesda?

I don't think any of Kirkbride's stuff is canon.

It would be akin to George Lucas writing a Star Wars Story now... Glorified Fan-Fiction.

JD2013

Gidorick wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, we are now in 2E 583. One of the books you can find in Wrothgar is a field journal which includes entries for Rain's Hand 583.

JD2013 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

I presume you've read Kirkbride's Love Letter from the 5th Era? Also an interesting premise. Is his stuff now all canon with Bethesda?

I don't think any of Kirkbride's stuff is canon.

It would be akin to George Lucas writing a Star Wars Story now... Glorified Fan-Fiction.

See, I have read people believing his stuff is all canon. I don't think that it is canon, and your analogy is completely correct.

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, we are now in 2E 583. One of the books you can find in Wrothgar is a field journal which includes entries for Rain's Hand 583.

JD2013 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

I presume you've read Kirkbride's Love Letter from the 5th Era? Also an interesting premise. Is his stuff now all canon with Bethesda?

I don't think any of Kirkbride's stuff is canon.

I thought I had read a book saying 2E 583, but was not sure if I was remembering wrong. Thanks for the confirmation!

WldKarde

Gidorick wrote: »

It would be akin to George Lucas writing a Star Wars Story now...

Ugh, perish the thought. I think he did quite enough with the prequel abominations.

Gidorick

I'm pretty sure Orsinium takes place in 583. I don't think Thieve's Guild takes place a year later.

If each DLC is one year later that would mean each ESO day last about 6 real world hours, which is pretty close to what we have now...

I personally think a 10 hour day would work best for ESO, which would put one Tamriel Year at 21.7 Earth weeks (about 5.4 months). So each DLC would occur in about 6 months in ESO. If ZOS wanted to establish that every year in ESO be equal to an even 6 months in our world we would see, working backwards, each day in ESO lasting 12.5 hours. That would be fine with me!

I've made a few threads about that... here's one of them:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245902/tamriel-standard-time-concept/p1

Legoless

Orsinium takes place at the end of autumn in 583. Makes you wonder what happened during the first half of that year - Craglorn maybe?

Gidorick

JD2013 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Yes, we are now in 2E 583. One of the books you can find in Wrothgar is a field journal which includes entries for Rain's Hand 583.

JD2013 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

End of the 5th Era, during Landfall when the Numidium destroys all of Nirn

I presume you've read Kirkbride's Love Letter from the 5th Era? Also an interesting premise. Is his stuff now all canon with Bethesda?

I don't think any of Kirkbride's stuff is canon.

It would be akin to George Lucas writing a Star Wars Story now... Glorified Fan-Fiction.

See, I have read people believing his stuff is all canon. I don't think that it is canon, and your analogy is completely correct.

I actually really dislike the idea that the lore of the elder scrolls "belongs" to anyone and Kirkbride is the closest we have to one singular guy who can be attributed with being a creative force in the TES world. While TES has an established canon lore I tend to think more like @Lawrence_Schick in that the lore depends on perspective and experience and much of the official lore is dependent on the collective perspective of the TES and ESO writers. I think it's pone of the things that makes TES so wonderful and rich... it's not just one guy forging the world.

In fact, I fully support the idea of player created lore. If you do too check out my thread suggesting this very thing. It turned out a lot longer than I expected but... eh... it is what it is.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/266111/player-created-lore-books-concept/p1

Publius_Scipio

Gidorick wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Orsinium takes place in 583. I don't think Thieve's Guild takes place a year later.

If each DLC is one year later that would mean each ESO day last about 6 real world hours, which is pretty close to what we have now...

I personally think a 10 hour day would work best for ESO, which would put one Tamriel Year at 21.7 Earth weeks (about 5.4 months). So each DLC would occur in about 6 months in ESO. If ZOS wanted to establish that every year in ESO be equal to an even 6 months in our world we would see, working backwards, each day in ESO lasting 12.5 hours. That would be fine with me!

I've made a few threads about that... here's one of them:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245902/tamriel-standard-time-concept/p1

I do believe as well that Orsinium takes place in 583. Is there any evidence of theives guild taking place in the same year or 584? Does TG chronologically take place for the "hero" after Orsinium?

Gidorick

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Orsinium takes place in 583. I don't think Thieve's Guild takes place a year later.

If each DLC is one year later that would mean each ESO day last about 6 real world hours, which is pretty close to what we have now...

I personally think a 10 hour day would work best for ESO, which would put one Tamriel Year at 21.7 Earth weeks (about 5.4 months). So each DLC would occur in about 6 months in ESO. If ZOS wanted to establish that every year in ESO be equal to an even 6 months in our world we would see, working backwards, each day in ESO lasting 12.5 hours. That would be fine with me!

I've made a few threads about that... here's one of them:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245902/tamriel-standard-time-concept/p1

I do believe as well that Orsinium takes place in 583. Is there any evidence of theives guild taking place in the same year or 584? Does TG chronologically take place for the "hero" after Orsinium?

I could see ZOS taking either approach... Either each DLC takes place chronologically after the previous DLC or they aren't associated in any way whatsoever. For those of us who follow along as they are released, having them sequential would make sense, but not for new players two years from now. Imagine coming into ESO and having a dozen DLCs available to you. I would think having an "order" to play them in would be detrimental to player enjoyment.

brandon

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Orsinium takes place in 583. I don't think Thieve's Guild takes place a year later.

If each DLC is one year later that would mean each ESO day last about 6 real world hours, which is pretty close to what we have now...

I personally think a 10 hour day would work best for ESO, which would put one Tamriel Year at 21.7 Earth weeks (about 5.4 months). So each DLC would occur in about 6 months in ESO. If ZOS wanted to establish that every year in ESO be equal to an even 6 months in our world we would see, working backwards, each day in ESO lasting 12.5 hours. That would be fine with me!

I've made a few threads about that... here's one of them:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245902/tamriel-standard-time-concept/p1

I do believe as well that Orsinium takes place in 583. Is there any evidence of theives guild taking place in the same year or 584? Does TG chronologically take place for the "hero" after Orsinium?

The way I see it is that each DLC takes place after the previous DLC's. I would say it goes
1. Original game - 2E 582
2. Craglorn - Sometime after the original game
3. Imperial City - Even later after Craglorn
4. Orsinium - 2E 583
5. Thieves Guild - Later in 583
6. Dark Brotherhood - Even later in 583 or possibly 584


EDIT: It wouldn't make sense if they kept jumping between dates. "This takes place in 582 and that takes place in 583 and now this goes back to 582."

Korah_Eaglecry

JD2013 wrote: »

So, I have a question about the ESO timeline.

We know the game begins in 2E 582, are we in 2E 583 yet? Is time actually moving along in the game?

If so, where will we end up in the history timeline by time the game shuts down (hopefully many years from now!)

It seems that the game moves forward by weeks or by months depending on where you are in the game. We are in 2E 583 as of Wrothgar which means Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood take place in 2E 583 if thats how theyre moving things forward. Granted some characters may experience TG and DB before Wrothgar. But if ZOS are the ones that are playing the part of Akatosh. Then its likely each subsequent DLC will add another few weeks or months to the game.

You can see this is some of the quests you go through. The dialogue often speaks of things occurring days after something you did when you might have only done the quest prior to it an hour before.

Enodoc

Legoless wrote: »

Orsinium takes place at the end of autumn in 583. Makes you wonder what happened during the first half of that year - Craglorn maybe?

Works for me. And probably Imperial City as well (I think there's a few things to suggest that Imperial City technically happens after you end the Planemeld).

Acrolas

"Oh! A customer! Can I help you choose something from our selection of fine woodcraft? Please? Sorry I'm so excited. It's my first day."
- Evolitte Ginise, every day

Enodoc

Acrolas wrote: »

"Oh! A customer! Can I help you choose something from our selection of fine woodcraft? Please? Sorry I'm so excited. It's my first day."
- Evolitte Ginise, every day

Anecdotes like that one really do support the idea that each zone (and location within a zone) primarily exists at a fixed point in a timeline.

JD2013

Enodoc wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

Orsinium takes place at the end of autumn in 583. Makes you wonder what happened during the first half of that year - Craglorn maybe?

Works for me. And probably Imperial City as well (I think there's a few things to suggest that Imperial City technically happens after you end the Planemeld).

Yeah, from what I know, I believe Imperial City does indeed happen after the main story, and is Molag Bal's last attempt to make the Planemeld come to fruition, and the main story quest in IC resolves it (despite the city still being infested with Daedra)

aldriq

Acrolas wrote: »

"Oh! A customer! Can I help you choose something from our selection of fine woodcraft? Please? Sorry I'm so excited. It's my first day."
- Evolitte Ginise, every day

I call them 'groundhog day moments'... or alternatively a 'glitch in the matrix'.

I'm still hoping future DLCs will introduce slices of Tamriel in a different time or era. I know we'll never get full Chrono Trigger/Day of the Tentacle style interlinked timelines in an MMO – the servers can barely cope with the present as it is – but even independent timelines would be great to have.

Publius_Scipio

brandon wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Orsinium takes place in 583. I don't think Thieve's Guild takes place a year later.

If each DLC is one year later that would mean each ESO day last about 6 real world hours, which is pretty close to what we have now...

I personally think a 10 hour day would work best for ESO, which would put one Tamriel Year at 21.7 Earth weeks (about 5.4 months). So each DLC would occur in about 6 months in ESO. If ZOS wanted to establish that every year in ESO be equal to an even 6 months in our world we would see, working backwards, each day in ESO lasting 12.5 hours. That would be fine with me!

I've made a few threads about that... here's one of them:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245902/tamriel-standard-time-concept/p1

I do believe as well that Orsinium takes place in 583. Is there any evidence of theives guild taking place in the same year or 584? Does TG chronologically take place for the "hero" after Orsinium?

The way I see it is that each DLC takes place after the previous DLC's. I would say it goes
1. Original game - 2E 582
2. Craglorn - Sometime after the original game
3. Imperial City - Even later after Craglorn
4. Orsinium - 2E 583
5. Thieves Guild - Later in 583
6. Dark Brotherhood - Even later in 583 or possibly 584


EDIT: It wouldn't make sense if they kept jumping between dates. "This takes place in 582 and that takes place in 583 and now this goes back to 582."

Well if this is the case, Then ESO will have a boundary. Since there already is a long timeline set in stone, ESO can never really extend itself past the end of the Alliance War. I would think ESO will always have to take part within the period of the war. Otherwise I would think things would start to stop making sense when you are in a period where the war has ended and then jump to Cyrodiil and the war is going on.

RebornV3x

Well the alliance war could last another 200 or 300 years so before Taos rises it's safe to say ESO time line isn't ending anytime soon.

waterfairy

How can time progress in an MMO?

Publius_Scipio

RebornV3x wrote: »

Well the alliance war could last another 200 or 300 years so before Taos rises it's safe to say ESO time line isn't ending anytime soon.

I'm not saying it will end. I'm saying ESO can't really move beyond the alliance war period. Unless they make quests that instead of going into the past you go into the future.

Publius_Scipio

Vigarr wrote: »

How can time progress in an MMO?

Fine lines and wrinkles. Salt & pepper beards. Characters collecting social security and the AARP.