Redgaurd VS Imperial

KingYogi415

I'm rolling a stamina dragon knight because it's the only class combo I have not tried yet.

I was leaning towards imperial but DPS seems to trump being tanks these days.

Any thoughts?

Basically more health vs more stamina

For 1v1's? more stam to cast vigor.

Wreuntzylla

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magictucktuck

at max CP you don't need the recovery that much and for pvp the extra health is good, also for pve the health is good.

KingYogi415

magictucktuck wrote: »

at max CP you don't need the recovery that much and for pvp the extra health is good, also for pve the health is good.

I'm leaning towards PVP with this guy.

Will be max CP when DB drops next month and gives me 40 points!

Ra'Shtar

Khajiit!

KingYogi415

Why redgaurd?!!!

Dread_Guy

I prefer Imperial because you can switch to magicka and still be viable if you want to. I love Imperials for the versatility

KingYogi415

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

I prefer Imperial because you can switch to magicka and still be viable if you want to. I love Imperials for the versatility

I have a High elf Dragon knight so will be all stam.

Tormy

Imperial

TheSpin

If you know 100% that you do not want to ever tank with the character, then I'd say redguard.

If you want tanking to be a possibility then you would benefit from the Imperial racials way more from tanking, and the redguard racials are only moderately better for dps.

Imperial dps does not have to invest as much into health to hit a 'minimum' health barrier if you feel one is needed (generally pve content requires at least a certain amount of health so they are not too squishy.) Therefore, imperial dps would have potential for higher max stamina at the minimum health level, while Redguard melee dps has much more regeneration.

Wollust

For PvP?
Redguard, anytime.
There is a reason why people say redguard stam DKs are op.
Redguard is the best stam race by far, providing so much sustain it's simply ridiculous. Imperial is not a bad race, I'd say it's the second best available for a stam character. But redguard just outshines everything else.

susmitds

The Highest DPS goes to Khajiit.

1) Stamina scaling DPS - Stamina scales with 1 dmg per at least 8 stamina for highest scaling direct attack types (0.128 scale) and usually like 1 dmg per 12 stamina for average direct attack types (0.084 scale). For DoTs it is the same for the highest scaling ones (0.128). But for the rest it is 1 per 16 stamina (0.064 scale).
Now consider a character without racial passives at 36k stamina. With Imperial/Redguard extra stamina of 10%, he gets 3600 extra stamina. With it he will get 3600/12 or 300 extra damage if he uses low scaling direct attacks and 3600/8 or 450 extra damage if he uses high scaling direct attacks. Now consider he is running 2 high scaling DoTs (like Poison Injection) and 1 weak DoT, and 1 DoT that is unaffected by stamina (like Poison status effect and enchantment procs). He gets 3600/8*2 + 3600/16 or 900 extra total damage on high scaling DoTs and 225 on low scaling DoTs. Now most high scaling DoTs have durations of 9 secs and most low scaling DoTs have durations of around 5 sec. Then you get total of 900/9 + 225/5 or 145 DoT damage per second.

Average DPS of maxed Stamina DK without any racial bonus to DPS- 33k per second

Bonus DPS from max stamina increase passives of Imperial/Redguard = 300+125 to 450+125 = 425 to 575 depending on relative scaling of skills in his rotations

Bonus in percentage increase of DPS = 425/33000*100 to 575/33000*100 = 1.29% to 1.75%

Now if someone uses all high scaling direct attacks and DoTs, then they can get a 2.2% increase at max

Increase in DPS by Imperial/Redguard = 1.28-2.20%

2) Scaling of DPS by critical hit chance - Critical hits can increase the damage of DPS by a flat 50% on top of all other damage increase mechanics. The increase percent of the damage can also be boosted. This is a linear mechanic and affects the final damage of the hit, essentially overriding all other mechanics.

So minimum DPS increase by 8% extra crit chance of Khajiit = 8*50% = 4%

Now maximum critical damage bonus percentage for DKs = 50(base) + 19(7 legendary divides Shadow Mundus) + 25(Max Precise Strikes CP) + 30(Major Force) + 10(Minor Force) = 134%

So maximum DPS increase by 8% extra crit chance of Khajiit = 8*134% = 10.72%

Increase in DPS by Khajiit = 4-10.72%.

The Highest sustain goes to Redguard.
The Highest survivability goes to Imperial.

Jaronking

Man Redguard the best race for stamina hands down adrenaline rush is just to good of a passive.With 36k stamina your getting about 800 stamina back every 3 seconds that's pretty good especially in Open world PVP and duels sustains beats everything.

susmitds

Jaronking wrote: »

Man Redguard the best race for stamina hands down adrenaline rush is just to good of a passive.With 36k stamina your getting about 800 stamina back every 3 seconds that's pretty good especially in Open world PVP and duels sustains beats everything.

Actually in duels passive stamina regen is better than active stamina regen. For that reason, for PvP Bosmer sustain is better than Redguard sustain.

IcyDeadPeople

KingYogi415 wrote: »

I'm leaning towards PVP with this guy.

I suppose I'd go with Bosmer, Khajiit or Redguard over Imperial in this case.

mtwiggz

Redguard. Stamina management in PvP is the most important aspect. Without stamina you are dead. Imperial is great for the HP bonus, yet that's easily obtainable with food.

Redguard actually has better stamina management than Bosmer, which gets a 21% stamina regen passive.

Pick Redguard.

Polysemy

Im going to say reduard

Although khajiit is better if you are good at managing resources

I will likely play Khajiit next patch

SlappyThePoptart

I don't really know, I've never played a redguard (and barely played imperial lol) but I prefer to be a bit tanky.

KingYogi415

Thanks for the input guys!

Thor Odinson the Redgaurd Poisonknight just got a 30k bag upgrade.

Cheers!

Mr.Hmm

Nord.

Always Nord.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

bruh..

KingYogi415

Jaybe_Mawfaka wrote: »

bruh..

?

I tanked a vet dungeon on my magic nightblade today in all light gear.

Just shield up, kite proxy det and blow thing up.

Gotta go for regen.

Cheers!

Kr3do

10% Stamrec vs 10% Max Health
Adrenaline Rush vs Red Diamond

Pretty obvious choice, redguard>imperial.

DRXHarbinger

Redguard. *** easy to use for stam dps or tank with.

CherryCake

Depends how smug you want to look...

CherryCake

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

Nord.

Always Nord.

*sneaks close to you*

*whispers*...Imperial master race!


*hides*...

OrphanHelgen

Imperial are a very safe choice.

keni_harringtonb16_ESO

@KingYogi415 if your aiming for pvp then 100% redguard you could focus more on damage bcuz the redguard passive feeds you stamina resources back when using melee

Bigevilpeter

Actually imperial should eventually have more stamina, since the health bonus makes you able to stack all your atts in stamina, while redguards need to put some in health, both have the same max stamina bonus.


Redguards however have more sustain for stamina.

So its your choice, more stamina or more sustain

mistermutiny89

The stamina return is just too good to ignore, the stamina recovery for PVP? Even better.. With extra cost of abilities next patch this is too important.

Imperial's little heal from its final passive is near worthless in PVP as heals are nerfed. You already get a health buff from battle roar?? And I don't think that extra 5,000 gets buffed by the imperial passive either. I could be wrong though on that account.

LiquidSchwartz

Imperial is the best stam dk race imo because it gives you max stats
Recovery is poop for dk cuz tou get it back from leap and igneous