Since Magicka specs won't have Dawnbreaker, fix Soul Strike.

Justice31st

Soul Strike is a joke compared to Dawnbreaker as a low cost ultimate. Nightblade cloaks, and interrupts shouldn't be allowed during the channeling phase (Since Dawnbreaker can be animation cancelled to an instant ultimate attack). Due to magicka specs classes losing Dawnbreaker next patch, fix the unpopular Soul Strike. @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_RichLambert

Spliffo

How is it broken?

Vangy

I can get behind not letting people cloak out of it but not allowing interrupts on a ranged snaring channelled ability that cannot be dodge rolled is pretty insane. It would literally mean that there is no counter to it except for blocking.... And blocking is kinda restricted to SnB builds that are built for blocking... Since blocking got nerfed into the ground with 0 stam regen and increased cost....

flguy147ub17_ESO

As a Magicka DK i relied on DB as my burst damage or execute in PVP. My class is already one of the weakest in PVP compared to other classes and now they took away a staple to my build and many magicka DKs build. So i guess thanks for the nerf eventhough i know it isnt a DK ability it was still a big nerf to me. I guess i will just whip somebody 100 times and pray they die.

lassitershawn

Lol, its not great but it sure is fun to use :P
Would definitely be up for a buff to this, as without Dawnbreaker of Smiting Magicka DKs and Magicka Sorcs are left without a cheap ultimate that is not easily countered.

Magicka DK:
Standard of Might - VERY expensive and easy to counter
Take Flight - Scales off of Mighty
Magma Shell - Expensive and doesn't really do damage

Magicka Sorc:
Suppression Field - Expensive and rather ineffective vs stamina builds
Storm Atronach - Expensive and easy to counter
Overload - Cheap, but extremely easy to counter, buggy, and comparatively hard to land

Soul Assault - Cheap, but very easy to counter
Ice Comet - Expensive, easy to counter

Compared to Dawnbreaker of Smiting, which has great upfront damage instantly + a powerful DoT after, which also knocks down your enemy, Soul Assault is very underwhelming, even though they have the same cost.

If the snare on the user was removed, the initial damage tick got bonus damage, and it was not cloakable, I could see it being more viable, and still not on the same tier as Dawnbreaker of Smiting.

Father_X_Zombie

lassitershawn wrote: »

Lol, its not great but it sure is fun to use :P
Would definitely be up for a buff to this, as without Dawnbreaker of Smiting Magicka DKs and Magicka Sorcs are left without a cheap ultimate that is not easily countered.

Magicka DK:
Standard of Might - VERY expensive and easy to counter
Take Flight - Scales off of Mighty
Magma Shell - Expensive and doesn't really do damage

Magicka Sorc:
Suppression Field - Expensive and rather ineffective vs stamina builds
Storm Atronach - Expensive and easy to counter
Overload - Cheap, but extremely easy to counter, buggy, and comparatively hard to land

Soul Assault - Cheap, but very easy to counter
Ice Comet - Expensive, easy to counter

Compared to Dawnbreaker of Smiting, which has great upfront damage instantly + a powerful DoT after, which also knocks down your enemy, Soul Assault is very underwhelming, even though they have the same cost.

If the snare on the user was removed, the initial damage tick got bonus damage, and it was not cloakable, I could see it being more viable, and still not on the same tier as Dawnbreaker of Smiting.

This mag sorc is going to miss Dawnbreaker

strikeback1247

You know you still have dawnbreaker, it just scales with mighty now. Same situation stamina is in on live right now.

CasNation

Soul strike needs some help, yeah. It is pretty much the least threatening ultimate I can be faced with. DB will be a serious loss...I mean, my mag sorc plays on Azuras, so it doesn't matter to me anyways, but that doesn't mean soul strike shouldn't have some better aspects to it.

idk

Justice31st wrote: »

Soul Strike is a joke compared to Dawnbreaker as a low cost ultimate. Nightblade cloaks, and interrupts shouldn't be allowed during the channeling phase (Since Dawnbreaker can be animation cancelled to an instant ultimate attack). Due to magicka specs classes losing Dawnbreaker next patch, fix the unpopular Soul Strike. @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_RichLambert

I don't see how it's broken or even how this relates to dawnbreaker.

Magika builds have always had comet. It's the go to ult for many great magika builds.

Lenikus

Okay, so, because you won't have max possible damage on some ultimates, or the others you consider using are mechanically possible to evade or require way more skill to use.. you want one of the cheapest ultimates, with one of the highest total damage output (even though it's a 4 seconds dot) to be an instant kill ? (also how the fluff is Meter 'easy to counter'?)

DurzoBlint13

personally I love Soul Assault. It is the only move I have ever been able to one shot someone with....not everyone, but some of the squishier PvPers drop from full health to dead with one move. Yes, it can interrupted but that just means you have to CC them first and then pop it. Or you can use it from range, but just make sure you do not brake Line of Sight. I have never seen a NB cloak out of it once I start the channel. Can they?

tennant94

I'm not sure it needs a change its bad 1vx but can 1 shot unsuspecting people. Perhaps keeping soul assault as it is but changing the other morph to something more instant and bursty.

KaleidoscopeEyz

Kinda off topic but does the Oblivions Foe set perk that increases your soul magic abilities by 100% apply to the ultimate?

Anhedonie

I lol so hard each time somebody uses Soul Strike. A single cast of crushing shock is enough, to waste one's precious ultimate points.

sirrmattus

Wait a second. Stamina users have never had a physical ultimate, all they ever had was magick scaled ultimates. Now that magick loses ONE ultimate, it's a big deal? Wtf m8

s7732425ub17_ESO

So magicka classes shouldn't be using Dawnbreaker anymore. Oh well. It matches all the other changes to the Fighters Guild abilities. Mages Guild -> magicka, Fighters Guild -> stamina. That's the new system. Get used to it. Find another ultimate.

RebornV3x

Needs a faster cast time and should do more damage against shielded enemies and I've seen even decent players out heal or block the move definitely needs a buff I'm really going to miss Dawnbreaker.

NewBlacksmurf

Spliffo wrote: »

How is it broken?

Im curious what is broken or what needs to be fixed too....

why cant people address concerns without causing harm to others in their ideas?
this mentality that in the forums sometimes to nerf this and nerf that cause im at a change or disadvantage but as results of no other class just dev decisions.

khele23eb17_ESO

Justice31st wrote: »

Soul Strike is a joke compared to Dawnbreaker as a low cost ultimate. Nightblade cloaks, and interrupts shouldn't be allowed during the channeling phase.

And I think shields and block shouldnt be allowed to be cast/used during the channeling phase of wrecking blow.

Synozeer

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Kinda off topic but does the Oblivions Foe set perk that increases your soul magic abilities by 100% apply to the ultimate?

Nope, tested that a couple months ago. Only increases Soul Trap.

templesus

You all realize your hypocrites right? Stam classes(except dk) have been using magicka based ultis this ENTIRE TIME, and now that we get one you all want to complain? I'm actually Lol'ing right now

flguy147ub17_ESO

templesus wrote: »

You all realize your hypocrites right? Stam classes(except dk) have been using magicka based ultis this ENTIRE TIME, and now that we get one you all want to complain? I'm actually Lol'ing right now

Not a hypocrite, i am 100% down for a stamina based meteor as well. But Magicka DKs lack burst damage in a huge way compared to some other classes, this was used as our burst damage and its still not an ability or a combo like wrecking blow, dragon leap, execute. Magicka DKs dont have any combo on the same planet or some of the NB combos they can use. We need that extra damage in PVP.

sirrmattus

Anhedonie wrote: »

I lol so hard each time somebody uses Soul Strike. A single cast of crushing shock is enough, to waste one's precious ultimate points.

It's stupid that an ultimate can be interrupted. Templar restoring light ultimate can't be interrupted. They should change get soul strike to be an instant version of inevitable detonation.

lassitershawn

Lenikus wrote: »

Okay, so, because you won't have max possible damage on some ultimates, or the others you consider using are mechanically possible to evade or require way more skill to use.. you want one of the cheapest ultimates, with one of the highest total damage output (even though it's a 4 seconds dot) to be an instant kill ? (also how the fluff is Meter 'easy to counter'?)

Any ultimate that puts a ring around your feet before it hits saying "prepare for me" is easy to counter in my book. Yes, I know you can use CCs that go through block before it hits, but it just gives your enemy so much time to get ready. Also necessitates casting a second skill just to make sure your ultimate actually does its full damage.

lassitershawn

And nobody is saying you stamina guys didn't deserve to have a good stamina ultimate, but they gave you arguably the best one. Yes, magicka has more ultimates, but would you honestly give up stamina DB for 90% of them, at least in PvP? Didn't think so...

For magicka sorc and especially magicka DK, we now have no low cost ultimates that scale with Elemental Expert, or are not absurdly easy to counter.

The ultimates in question have the same cost, why shouldn't they both be near equal in effectiveness? Even if Soul Assault had extra damage on the initial tick (not overall damage, just more of it loaded into the first tick), didn't snare the user, and you couldn't cloak out of it (I do hate to nerf cloak, because it is really easy to counter already and takes skillful use, but negating ultimates including previously meteor is silly), it would still be far, far inferior to Dawnbreaker of Smiting, but maybe actually worth using.

lassitershawn

And nobody is saying you stamina guys didn't deserve to have a good stamina ultimate, but they gave you arguably the best one. Yes, magicka has more ultimates, but would you honestly give up stamina DB for 90% of them, at least in PvP? Didn't think so...

For magicka sorc and especially magicka DK, we now have no low cost ultimates that scale with Elemental Expert, or are not absurdly easy to counter.

The ultimates in question have the same cost, why shouldn't they both be near equal in effectiveness? Even if Soul Assault had extra damage on the initial tick (not overall damage, just more of it loaded into the first tick), didn't snare the user, and you couldn't cloak out of it (I do hate to nerf cloak, because it is really easy to counter already and takes skillful use, but negating ultimates including previously meteor is silly), it would still be far, far inferior to Dawnbreaker of Smiting, but maybe actually worth using.

Septimus_Magna

I would love to know what the reason is that meteor cannot be reflected/dodged but soul assault is interruptable.

Seems a bit unfair doesnt it?

lassitershawn

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

Lol, its not great but it sure is fun to use :P
Would definitely be up for a buff to this, as without Dawnbreaker of Smiting Magicka DKs and Magicka Sorcs are left without a cheap ultimate that is not easily countered.

Magicka DK:
Standard of Might - VERY expensive and easy to counter
Take Flight - Scales off of Mighty
Magma Shell - Expensive and doesn't really do damage

Magicka Sorc:
Suppression Field - Expensive and rather ineffective vs stamina builds
Storm Atronach - Expensive and easy to counter
Overload - Cheap, but extremely easy to counter, buggy, and comparatively hard to land

Soul Assault - Cheap, but very easy to counter
Ice Comet - Expensive, easy to counter

Compared to Dawnbreaker of Smiting, which has great upfront damage instantly + a powerful DoT after, which also knocks down your enemy, Soul Assault is very underwhelming, even though they have the same cost.

If the snare on the user was removed, the initial damage tick got bonus damage, and it was not cloakable, I could see it being more viable, and still not on the same tier as Dawnbreaker of Smiting.

This mag sorc is going to miss Dawnbreaker

I will miss it yes, and be forced to find something else. I was initially strongly opposed to DB of Smiting going stamina, but it is obvious that stamina needs a good cheap Mighty-scaling ultimate. HOWEVER, magicka sorcs and especially magicka DKs are taking a great loss as we lose the only cheap, high-damage, hard-to-counter ultimate available to us.

The ultimates cost the same, so why shouldn't they be near equal in effectiveness. Regardless, if the changes made were the ones I suggested, it would still be far, far inferior to DB of Smiting.

DjSolJAH

Vangy wrote: »

I can get behind not letting people cloak out of it but not allowing interrupts on a ranged snaring channelled ability that cannot be dodge rolled is pretty insane. It would literally mean that there is no counter to it except for blocking.... And blocking is kinda restricted to SnB builds that are built for blocking... Since blocking got nerfed into the ground with 0 stam regen and increased cost....

Didn't blocking get the *** buffed out of it with DB update? Basically costs nothing to block... Or has ther been another change I missed

lassitershawn

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

I can get behind not letting people cloak out of it but not allowing interrupts on a ranged snaring channelled ability that cannot be dodge rolled is pretty insane. It would literally mean that there is no counter to it except for blocking.... And blocking is kinda restricted to SnB builds that are built for blocking... Since blocking got nerfed into the ground with 0 stam regen and increased cost....

Didn't blocking get the *** buffed out of it with DB update? Basically costs nothing to block... Or has ther been another change I missed

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

I can get behind not letting people cloak out of it but not allowing interrupts on a ranged snaring channelled ability that cannot be dodge rolled is pretty insane. It would literally mean that there is no counter to it except for blocking.... And blocking is kinda restricted to SnB builds that are built for blocking... Since blocking got nerfed into the ground with 0 stam regen and increased cost....

Didn't blocking get the *** buffed out of it with DB update? Basically costs nothing to block... Or has ther been another change I missed

If you spec more into reduce block cost I think you can get it to cost less... but no, it didn't really get buffed afaik.

LBxFinalDeath

I'm happy for the changes to Dawnbreaker.

No longer will Magic builds (Usually Sorcs) just slam down a Dawnbreaker out of nowhere ( due to animation canceling and its usually smiting) to if they are spec'd properly essentially take you out of the fight in one move.

It leads to your death if you're unfortunate enough to be a Vampire due to the glitched stuck on the ground nonsense.

Anyways...I'm all for them making soul strike better.