Why are people so obsessed with spell damage and weapon damage?

Guppet

I keep seeing people bragging about haveing 4K weapon damage or building gear just for spell damage. Why is this?

My understanding is that due to the damage co-efficients, 1000 magic/stamina is roughly equal to 100 spell/weapon damage. But with magic/stamina your pool increases as well as your damage output. For the same item budget you'd get ever so slightly more dame output from raw spell/weapon damage, but it's not by much and your pool would be lower.

Am I missing something obvious?

Ampnode

xblackroxe wrote: »

Stacking SD is more beneficial than stacking Magicka. set boni gold are 967 Mag 129 SD thats why people stack SD instead of Mag

@Guppet
Your shields and heals scale off max magicka/stamina. Not getting at least 42K max magicka or at least 34K max stamina means you're gimping yourself big time. Yeah, you'll hit a little bit harder, but what's that going to mean if your survivability is nonexistent?

To answer your question, I don't know why people stack WD/SD. Like I stated above, you're sincerely better off getting high max magicka/stamina and then working on your damage stats.

xblackroxe

Stacking SD is more beneficial than stacking Magicka. set boni gold are 967 Mag 129 SD thats why people stack SD instead of Mag

Aquanova

Nope, you pretty much nailed it.

Not even going to go into why it is that way.

FrostFallFox

Everything's bigger in Texas

But frfr, I was in area chat.m at the undaunted enclave and one person insisted that the dps have 4K weapon/spell damage and the healer have 3k.

The numbers aren't always... I do t know how to say it, but they're not everything.

My healer has 2k spell power buy my heals are still very high with champion points and crit often with the thief stone. Also lots of recovery and health do I can spam for days with 20K+ Breaths of Life


Same with DPS, I'm using Twice-Born with both crit stones. Deeps are still real.


BUT DAS JUS ME DOE. Now tell me I'm wrong

leepalmer95

It's a lot easier to stack wpn/spell dmg.

Medium armour gives 12% wpn dmg
Flawless Dawnbreaker gives 8%
Major brutality gives 20%

Sorc and templar passives give boost.

Plus the fact that the added wpn/spell dmg from sets is higher than the added max stats by around 30% makes it so if your going to bother attempting to get dmg you may as well stack wpn/spell dmg as it's more effective.

Junipus

If you're doing PvE content, most of the time if you're stacking spell/weapon damage you're also a build where you have between 36-42k of one resource. This gives you the option to stack damage to achieve maximum dps with the most resource and damage available.

Both high heals and shields aren't a major requirement for completing group content if you're running with a good group since you can stack heals and HoTs and won't need a shield.

Turelus

Because of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y

Guppet

Ampnode wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Stacking SD is more beneficial than stacking Magicka. set boni gold are 967 Mag 129 SD thats why people stack SD instead of Mag

@Guppet
Your shields and heals scale off max magicka/stamina. Not getting at least 42K max magicka or at least 34K max stamina means you're gimping yourself big time. Yeah, you'll hit a little bit harder, but what's that going to mean if your survivability is nonexistent?

To answer your question, I don't know why people stack WD/SD. Like I stated above, you're sincerely better off getting high max magicka/stamina and then working on your damage stats.

That's pretty much what I was thinking, you get 30% more damage stat (not even that for me since I'm s Bretton, so get more magic multiplier) but no pool for things like utilities, shields, even puryfying light.

Guess I find utility and sustain more important than just raw damage. Explains why I'm drawn to healing and tanking rather than dps.

daswahnsinn

I wish I could fit more stamina into build current build, which sits at 28k with a buffed WD at 3949. I'd have to lower my weapon damage and use completely differ sets to do this. I might give it a try just to see what's so different.

leepalmer95

For stamina it doesn't matter too much, the only shield that scales of it would be bone shield and thats only 15% which even with 40k stamina is still only a 6k shield which is useless and a waste of a slot.

As long as you max stat isn't amazingly low, 25k+ and you have sufficient weapon dmg and sustain then it doesn't need to be high.

Having 40k with 2.5k wpn dmg and having 30k with 3.5k wpn won't change too much, the second option with higher wpn dmg will be easier to achieve and will give you slightly higher dmg. As long as your sustain is sufficient so you don't run out and can easily sustain with pots etc... then the second option would be preferred.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Faster killing = faster done with anything.
Helps with leveling as well.

Mush55

More wpn/sp damage = more flat damage = bigger crits = mobs/bosses die quicker thus less resources needed, in theory.

susmitds

Stacking Crit. Chance + Crit Damage is the fastest and highest way to increase damage output in PvE but is useless in PvP due to shields and inpen. gear.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I have 39.6 Magic and 2.9 SD. Being mostly a PVP player at this point, my Radiant Destruction is probably the hardest hitting skill anyone has in my entire guild. Not sure it would be better the other way around but I don't feel like spending the 500,000 gold to buy new gear and find out. I have 150 more CP to go. I'm assuming that I'll probably end up around 42k which is more than enough to compensate. Also, I like the larger gas tank.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Side note: A guy joined my guild a few days ago proclaiming greatness about his 5k spell power. We then spent most of the next few hours rezzing him.

You can own the greatest NASCAR in the world. If you don't know how to drive it you're not winning the Daytona 500.

sirrmattus

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I have 39.6 Magic and 2.9 SD. Being mostly a PVP player at this point, my Radiant Destruction is probably the hardest hitting skill anyone has in my entire guild. Not sure it would be better the other way around but I don't feel like spending the 500,000 gold to buy new gear and find out. I have 150 more CP to go. I'm assuming that I'll probably end up around 42k which is more than enough to compensate. Also, I like the larger gas tank.

Must be a noob guild

sirrmattus

I don't think there is a combination of sets that would allow you to achieve 50k magick or stam for that matter. Therefore the game is sort of linear in respect to gear and stats.

superZ

It really does come down to play style. You will be more survivable by stacking your max stats, BUT if you have a higher SD/WD, you'll have more potential to boost your damage since there are many more buffs for SD/WD than there are for your max stats. Just like everything else in the game, it's a trade off. if you know you aren't going to proc your major and minor SD/WD buffs or have some one in the group procing their buffs for you, I would definitely lean toward focusing on your max stats. But, if you can keep your buffs up and manage your resources, I would lean towards SD/WD more.

One thing I wouldn't do is put all of your eggs in one basket. Even if you're going with max stats, you still need to have some damage so that you can get a decent SD/WD buff from your maj/min sorc/brutality. The opposite is true for SD/WD. You still need a large enough resource pool so you don't run out mag/stam every 20 seconds. Even if you're a night blade doing your super duper bursty stealth bomb where you get in and get out in the blink of an eye, you still need enough magicka to stealth away.

kinggingernator

It depends on the class and what your doing. On mag builds in general you can get solid all around stats. I'm sitting at 3.4k spell dmg 44k Max and 3.2 regen when lich procs. Its pretty op.

Guppet

These figures that people are quoting, are they 501 Champ points and all gold gear, with gold enchants and I'm guessing blue v15 food?