Underpopulation bonuses, are they being exploited?

Breedj01

In my opinion, these bonuses are inherently flawed, and reward lack of play over dedication and hard work.
On one hand, you have an alliance that plays consistently, building up a lead with effort and hard work, often against a similar sized opposition over a number of days or weeks. Only to have that lead overturned by another alliance overnight because they come online in huge numbers simultaneously, but only for very short periods of time. They benefit from a x5 bonus to their scoring and end up demoralising and overtaking the alliance who has put time and effort into building up a lead. It takes a lot more numbers to take a keep than to defend it.
Why not remove the bonuses as soon as an underpopulated alliance has taken more than 50% of the map? They are obviously in control at that point and should no longer be considered an underdog.
Giving an underdog bonus up to taking the lead is simply unfair and discourages dedicated PvP play.

Breedj01

What are other people's thoughts on this?

Turelus

This was an issue over a year ago and they didn't care more than to make some minor changes to the calculations.

Apparently this is a game where lack of participation means you should win. I don't mind an underdog or low population bonus but it should never allow you to go above the leaders. If you population is under populated on a campaign that's not the fault of the people actively playing the campaign on the other factions.

Once again all I can say is we need less campaigns so people are more consolidated.

Breedj01

Turelus wrote: »

Once again all I can say is we need less campaigns so people are more consolidated.

Totally agree, one non vet non champ point, one vet with no cp
One vet 7 day and one vet 30 day.

Rylana

Or here is a novel idea....

Stop being part of a faction stack on one campaign that outnumbers their opponents 3-1 and wipes whole maps out overnight, with massive zergs...

And actually spread out to other campaigns, like the ones you are losing as a faction?

Then populations become even and this problem goes away.

LazyLewis

I bet this NA Haderus. Where AD have pop lock and DC have and EP have two bars at prime time

Breedj01

Rylana wrote: »

Or here is a novel idea....

Stop being part of a faction stack on one campaign that outnumbers their opponents 3-1 and wipes whole maps out overnight, with massive zergs...

And actually spread out to other campaigns, like the ones you are losing as a faction?

Then populations become even and this problem goes away.

It's not a novel idea, there is only 1 30 day campaign, the other campaigns have been fubar with scoring only for keeps or resources, they are only 7 days and don't have the freedom of a 30 day standard.

The fewer campaigns there are the better.

Breedj01

LazyLewis wrote: »

I bet this NA Haderus. Where AD have pop lock and DC have and EP have two bars at prime time

Actually thinking of EU ps4 scourge.
AD have 1-2 bars consistently, EP have 2-3 bars every night for a few hours and DC have quit.
AD built up a 6k lead over two weeks, then EP took the map overnight and overtook score, now all alliances have zero bars.
It's basically sealed the fate of the campaign to get deleted again...

kevlarto_ESO

If it can be exploited it will be. I don't under understand why we have two campaigns one over populated with AD the other over populates with EP. Really saps the fun out of the game for those of us that wouldl like a little competition in our campaign.

Rune_Relic

Stay off the map in primetime.
Let opponents have map for 4 hours as you get low pop tick.
When everyone leaves wipe map in numbers PvDoor and leave rapidly.
Stay unchallenged for 8+ hours to maintaining low pop bonus while people sleep.
Place a token force to defend until prime time again when people start to enter cyrodiil.
Rinse repeat.
WIN !

Thats why campaign scores are worthless.

But you cant have an underpowered alliance driven off the campaing either.
You need to give them tools to fight back if they dont have the numbers to do so.
I guess that why I suggested variable AoE caps.
The lower the faction population...the higher the AoE cap is set.
The higher the faction popluation...the lower the AoE cap is set.
You either have force by numbers or force by godmode....but not both.
BONUS...Also fixes primetime lag

Moglijuana

Lol. This sounds like what my guild does . Look for the highest pop enemy server, que in, demoralize the zergs that live in there until their bedtime, rinse and repeat. Use your zergs wisely my friend! Most groups that go in for under dog bonuses could care less about the leader board and just want your easy AP. But if you guys get farmed THAT hard and end up losing a campaign...lol. Idk what to tell you. Good luck!

Breedj01

This is my point exactly, guesting a campaign, just to spoil it for other players, not caring about the leaderboards. Stopping the underdog bonus when the underdog is no longer an underdog. Not keeping it running all night for trolls.

Moglijuana

Breedj01 wrote: »

This is my point exactly, guesting a campaign, just to spoil it for other players, not caring about the leaderboards. Stopping the underdog bonus when the underdog is no longer an underdog. Not keeping it running all night for trolls.

I can assure you guesting groups will almost always still be an underdog. Whenever I go into a campaign with my guild the enemy is pop locked, while we don't even get 1 bar for our alliance when we zone in. Sounds fair to me.

Breedj01

Scourge on EU ps4 is never pop locked. Only zergs that appear are EP taking over, but whatever. I feel I have a legitimate point and solution. 50% map ownership should trigger pop bonus to stop, regardless of how low or high a score you have.

nikigwil

Im totally with you on this as a fellow scourge player. It should stop at half map

PhatGrimReaper

Breedj01 wrote: »

LazyLewis wrote: »

I bet this NA Haderus. Where AD have pop lock and DC have and EP have two bars at prime time

Actually thinking of EU ps4 scourge.
AD have 1-2 bars consistently, EP have 2-3 bars every night for a few hours and DC have quit.
AD built up a 6k lead over two weeks, then EP took the map overnight and overtook score, now all alliances have zero bars.
It's basically sealed the fate of the campaign to get deleted again...

@LazyLewis , how much do you bet????? - time to pay up!!! LMAO

Jaronking

Rylana wrote: »

Or here is a novel idea....

Stop being part of a faction stack on one campaign that outnumbers their opponents 3-1 and wipes whole maps out overnight, with massive zergs...

And actually spread out to other campaigns, like the ones you are losing as a faction?

Then populations become even and this problem goes away.

Thank you I couldn't have said it better myself. Spread out to another campaign and don't Nightcap the campaign and ruin it for other players.

nikigwil

I dont think you read the actual post. As a fellow ad in scourge we arent the ones zerging 3-1 and nightcapping and gate camping

Delsskia

The other day I was looking at the scoreboard. DC had 3 keeps and 9 resources, nothing else. AD had 10 keeps, all of the resources at those keeps, 2 outposts and every scroll. DC was earning more points than AD and taking over the lead to win the campaign.

I totally agree that there should be some form of low population bonus, but no one should ever be able to win a campaign because of it. Winning a campaign should require effort that consists of more than just gaming the system.

God_flakes

Would serve AD right to lose a campaign because of their shenanigans.

Breedj01

God_flakes wrote: »

Would serve AD right to lose a campaign because of their shenanigans.

Wtf are you on about? What shenanigans? From what i see its EP and DC that run around dodging every attack without ever rolling. Its reds and blues that kill us with Cold HARBOR ballistas.
Come back when you actually have a point

nikigwil

I dont think they realise we are taking about ps4 EU scourge campaign where reds are gate camping us and the blues.

God_flakes

Calm down, breed. I play pc NA where Ad hides in Haderus and generally refuses to engage EP and zergs down anyone who comes into haderus and attempt to make that campaign playable.

nikigwil

That is exactly what EP have done on eu scourge. They ball up and steamroll a zerg everywhere ive pretty much given up on that campaign atm