Dual Wield is the most offensive based melee weapon. Why doesn't it have a gap closer?

KenaPKK

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Sounds like you use ambush, A skill only NB's have. Dk's, templars and Sorc's only have magic based gap closers. We litterally cant use DW/Bow to be viable in pvp.

Let's be truthful here, you don't need a gap closer, that time of time is useless other than one case. If you want one so bad than go 2h or be nb. Btw, you can use magic gap closers as a stam build still. They won't do good damage but that's not what they are used for.

You clearly do not PvP.

Ever.

Get out of this thread please before a dev or a new PvPer takes what you're saying seriously.

Bdawwg

So many tears here, a new gap closer is being added in DB but even that has a problem because it's not perfect. Every class isn't meant to have every single type of skill otherwise why even have classes. Yes the silver leash will give cc immunity but that's the compromise for using it as a gap closer. Some people just want everything the way they want it. It's a game, it's meant to have different skills in different weapon lines otherwise they'd just be a visual effect. Get a grip people compromise with your build!

KenaPKK

Bdawwg wrote: »

So many tears here, a new gap closer is being added in DB but even that has a problem because it's not perfect. Every class isn't meant to have every single type of skill otherwise why even have classes. Yes the silver leash will give cc immunity but that's the compromise for using it as a gap closer. Some people just want everything the way they want it. It's a game, it's meant to have different skills in different weapon lines otherwise they'd just be a visual effect. Get a grip people compromise with your build!

That is a lax an non-competitive attitude to take toward the game. Abilities can have different mechanics and promote variety while still meeting the minimally adequate utility necessary to be competitive.

In this case, a competitive gap closer must use your primary resource, bring you to the enemy from a decent range away (or them to you), and not give them cc immunity. This last part is crucial because it allows you to cc them when they inevitably try to slip away again, and because most other gap closers in the game do not give cc immunity. If all gap closers gave cc immunity, then it wouldn't be as big a deal because everyone would be playing on an even field.

Junipus

2 and a bit pages of the OP clearly just wanting to keep flogging a dead horse in the hope ZOS implements the idea. Very tempted to start a counter push for *** and giggles.

In either case, now blocked and will be hunted with DW abilities in game.

Anazasi

to follow that logic line all classes and all weapon lines should have a gap closer that would include bow, resto, destro, and dual wield?

I think the obvious question is why haven't you found the gap closer in your class yet?

AllPlayAndNoWork

Surely the OP has answered his own question in the title ?

Xvorg

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

i really prefer a game of choice and sacrifices.
after all, you have two bars. If there was a perfect build that had it all, people would just play that and complain about how the remaining difference need to be balanced better.

it's much "easier" to balance if builds sacrifice something nice. e.g. on the pts, stam dks have their best single target dps with dw and dots but seriously lack burst/execute potential. they can combine it with 2h and get the execute, gap closer and burst. however, bows are also incredibly nice (also the best way to counter malubeth through magnum shot) and benefit from the HA buff and 1h+s work extremely well to make DKs tanky and set them up for long sustain-based fights. imho all combinations of the 4 weapon choices are somewhat viable. If one line had full offense and another perfect defense, this variety would be lost.

But your forgetting DW has NOTHING going for it, as an offensive melee weapon it is useless! Anything a DW abilty can do another weapon line can do it better. I wouldn't mind DW being so mediocre if it just had a gap closer.

Steel tornado useless?
xD

hidden blade is cool. Major brutality (for 20 secs from DB henceforth) 50% snare. Pair it with a skill that roots and youll have a 15% extra dmg.

I think no other skill treee has execute in all their skills, so, an execute on a gap closer is too much.

Xvorg

KenaPKK wrote: »

Weapon lines have to be equal in strength and general utility in order for build diversity to exist.

I do agree that class gap closers need stamina and magicka morphs, but I don't see the harm in asking for weapon line gap closers, Major Brutality/Sorcery buffs, minor heals, or dots and AoEs and dps skills of various natures.

They can do different things, behave in different ways, have different effects, etc etc, but the bare bones of utility need to be represented in order for players to be competitive using whatever weapon lines they want -- i.e. for there to be build variety.

Again, a Gap closer on DW should take off the slaughter passive since no Gap Closer has an execute associated to it. And if you take out slaughter, you pretty much kill the line.

Balance. An execute in each skill for a gap closer seems a good trade

HoloYoitsu

Why doesn't destro staff have a gap closer?

Brutusmax1mus

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

But your forgetting DW has NOTHING going for it, as an offensive melee weapon it is useless! Anything a DW abilty can do another weapon line can do it better. I wouldn't mind DW being so mediocre if it just had a gap closer.

You must be playing a different game then anyone else, my stamNB uses DW/Bow along with NB skills and does quite well. I even kill people in PvP most effectively. But if you're really unhappy with the way DW works, then use another skill. Not every skill line needs to have a one button "I win" included in it.

Sounds like you use ambush, A skill only NB's have. Dk's, templars and Sorc's only have magic based gap closers. We litterally cant use DW/Bow to be viable in pvp.

Sure you can be viable! You just don't have a stamina gap closer........ Everything should not be identical.

You sound like this: I'm 2h/dw, but i don't have access to a ranged root like bow does. Not fair wahhhh.

LearnThis

I read through as many posts as possible and decided to comment on this. Yes, choice is needed. With dual wield, which has the strongest aoe execute in the game, it does not have a gap closer. It does however have a powerful snare. I have used hidden blade plenty of times on someone that was trying to get away. No, it is not a gap closer, but it is still a useful skill if you choose it to be.
I agree completely with the idea that too many people run the exact same build. True. Two-handed this and that skill...
Wrecking blow. Wrecking blow. Wrecking blow. Wrecking blow. Death.
It happens, it is annoying, and not very challenging of a skill. I feel like in argument of giving dual wield the gap closer you are actually making it the same as the other options not different. Plus, I do not want it to be any easier than it already is for someone to gap close and "spin to win."

Dracan_Fontom

You clearly do not PvP.

Ever.

Get out of this thread please before a dev or a new PvPer takes what you're saying seriously.

Correction I pvp quite a lot actually, enough to say that gap closers are over rated. Let your enemy use up their resources trying to get you while you pick them off from range.

Dreyloch

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

DW vs. 2h stam

1) Rally, has a heal but it's not that much realistically. Willing to bet most put vigor on that bar or off bar too.
2) 2H might give more damage, but DW gives more ability to have more than one 5th trait armor set bonus.
3) DW may not have a gap closer, but it does have a ranged attack. Granted it's not as strong as crit rush, but again, you have more armor set bonus options.

It really boils down to what you want to use for armor sets, and how many bonuses you want to try and fit in.

If you pop rally near the end of its HoT you get a large burst heal. That *** hits up to 4-5K depending on your stats. You would be insane to give that up, Along with the CC on dizzy swing, and an a guaranteed critical on crit rush that will hit targets up to 11k. Who the [snip] would use flying blade over that?

So let me ask what your using on your off bar then? Are you saying your want to use 2h AND DW and have gap closers on both? Because if you tell me that, or your using 1H/S on your other bar, then you HAVE a gap closer in your build. It's called shield charge. Pick a morph and L2Swap bars. If your running a staff (not really sure why you'd want to, but ok) then GL on your quest to get a DW closer. I'd put it right up there with flying mounts being put in game. Seriously.

[Edit to remove profanity]

LearnThis

@Dreyloch I want a flying mount. It does not actually have to fly around but more hover over the ground. I picture a stubby dragon with short wings, it would be based on the guar mount's model. This is good enough for my example.

LearnThis

Rawr.

RadioheadSh0t

I mean, this only really hurts DW/Bow builds. Every other combination has access to a gap closer.

But DW and Bow are also the only weapons to grant major expedition.

Muizer

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Why doesn't destro staff have a gap closer?

As a dedicated stamina melee player I'm all for it.

KenaPKK

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

You clearly do not PvP.

Ever.

Get out of this thread please before a dev or a new PvPer takes what you're saying seriously.

Correction I pvp quite a lot actually, enough to say that gap closers are over rated. Let your enemy use up their resources trying to get you while you pick them off from range.

Try that with a melee dw build, and you'll be the one getting kited.