Broken Bosmer Stamblade In Need of Help. [UPDATED STATS AGAIN]

bantycakes

As I mentioned I'm an AD V16 Bosmer who is a Stamina Nightblade running DW primary and Bow secondary weapons.

Gear: V16 epic 5-piece Night Mother's Gaze and 2-piece Hunding's Rage with Divines and V16 epic Health glyphs.
V16 epic Leki's Daggers with Precise and V16 epic Poison/Disease damage glyphs.
V15 blue Night Mother's Bow with Precise and V15 epic Disease damage glyph.
Epic V16 Necklace of Agility with Robust and V16 epic Weapon Damage glyph.
x2 epic Ring of Endurance with Robust and V16 epic Weapon Damage glyphs.

My Mundus stone is Shadow.
64 points in Stamina.
I only have 241 Champion Points.

Stats (with V15 tri-stat food and Major Savagery):
~21.1k health
~24.5k stamina
71.6% weapon crit
2412 weapon damage

My DW bar:
Camouflaged Hunter - Surprise Attack - Trap Beast - Hidden Blade - Killer's Blade - Soul Harvest

Bow:
Relentless Focus - Poison Injection - Scorched Earth - Trap Beast - Siphoning Strikes - Meteor

Champion Points breakdown:
Thief
Tower: Warlord - 40 points. (Reduces Stamina costs.)
Lover: Mooncalf - 40 points. (Increases Stamina recovery.)

Mage
Ritual: Thaumaturge - 14 points. (Increases effectiveness of DOT effects.)
Ritual: Precise Strikes - 33 points. (Increases damage and healing done by weapon criticals.)
Ritual: Piercing - 13 points. (Increases physical penetration.)
Ritual: Mighty - 20 points. (Increases physical/poison/disease damage done.)

Warrior
Lady: Hardy - 41 points. (Reduces poison/disease/physical damage dealt to player.)
Lady: Elemental Defender - 40 points. (Reduces flame/frost/shock/magic damage dealt to player.)

Moglijuana

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

bantycakes

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

emily3989

I am not sure but after about 60% crit others have said it is better to swap mundus over to the inc. crit damage one, whatever it is called.

bantycakes

emily3989 wrote: »

I am not sure but after about 60% crit others have said it is better to swap mundus over to the inc. crit damage one, whatever it is called.

I'm still hunting for the move Moglijuana is referring to, but I think the stone you're talking about is the Shadow.

Moglijuana

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

I played WoW for 8 years lol. ESO is much better . I'd also use surprise attack (nightblade ability) over rapid strikes as it is one of the best single target attacks in the game. Also, try practicing sneaking in a light attack in between every ability to up your dps. Most loadouts usually use 1 bar for dps and 1 bar for buffs/aoes.

Again, this game is meant to be played however you want, so find stuff that you are comfortable with. However, there are certain build set ups that will always out DPS other builds simply because they are well thought out rather than just an assortment of skills that are "cool".

Here is a link to a pretty good end game NB dps build.

eso-skills.com/skill/?z=QKd4pwW@D79bvEP%DAsD44Q@5tW8_kj&p=90629072908290929162917291829192926292729282929202520262027202820292005200620072008200921113112211321142115220412304233430513063307330813252326231513172319231825613562356336023&a=000064&c=Gilliam&j=t&q=070&w=20&m=b

bantycakes

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

I played WoW for 8 years lol. ESO is much better . I'd also use surprise attack (nightblade ability) over rapid strikes as it is one of the best single target attacks in the game. Also, try practicing sneaking in a light attack in between every ability to up your dps.

Here is a link to a pretty good end game NB dps build.

eso-skills.com/skill/?z=QKd4pwW@D79bvEP%DAsD44Q@5tW8_kj&p=90629072908290929162917291829192926292729282929202520262027202820292005200620072008200921113112211321142115220412304233430513063307330813252326231513172319231825613562356336023&a=000064&c=Gilliam&j=t&q=070&w=20&m=b

Definitely gonna study that build!
I played WoW from 13 to 20, embarrassingly enough lol. I'm enjoying ESO much more even though so far I've felt pretty... broken since the NB is my main.
I'll swap out Surprise Attack for Rapid Strikes and work on my light attack weaving, too.

Moglijuana

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

I played WoW for 8 years lol. ESO is much better . I'd also use surprise attack (nightblade ability) over rapid strikes as it is one of the best single target attacks in the game. Also, try practicing sneaking in a light attack in between every ability to up your dps.

Here is a link to a pretty good end game NB dps build.

eso-skills.com/skill/?z=QKd4pwW@D79bvEP%DAsD44Q@5tW8_kj&p=90629072908290929162917291829192926292729282929202520262027202820292005200620072008200921113112211321142115220412304233430513063307330813252326231513172319231825613562356336023&a=000064&c=Gilliam&j=t&q=070&w=20&m=b

Definitely gonna study that build!
I played WoW from 13 to 20, embarrassingly enough lol. I'm enjoying ESO much more even though so far I've felt pretty... broken since the NB is my main.
I'll swap out Surprise Attack for Rapid Strikes and work on my light attack weaving, too.

Good luck out there NB's are definitely a fun class to play!

bantycakes

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

I played WoW for 8 years lol. ESO is much better . I'd also use surprise attack (nightblade ability) over rapid strikes as it is one of the best single target attacks in the game. Also, try practicing sneaking in a light attack in between every ability to up your dps.

Here is a link to a pretty good end game NB dps build.

eso-skills.com/skill/?z=QKd4pwW@D79bvEP%DAsD44Q@5tW8_kj&p=90629072908290929162917291829192926292729282929202520262027202820292005200620072008200921113112211321142115220412304233430513063307330813252326231513172319231825613562356336023&a=000064&c=Gilliam&j=t&q=070&w=20&m=b

Definitely gonna study that build!
I played WoW from 13 to 20, embarrassingly enough lol. I'm enjoying ESO much more even though so far I've felt pretty... broken since the NB is my main.
I'll swap out Surprise Attack for Rapid Strikes and work on my light attack weaving, too.

Good luck out there NB's are definitely a fun class to play!

I absolutely love stealthy rogue-like classes, but was disappointed when Bows weren't as good/viable as they were in Skyrim. For the Blade and Blunt passive, what type of weapon is best? I've been running daggers but previously used swords.

Moglijuana

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

I played WoW for 8 years lol. ESO is much better . I'd also use surprise attack (nightblade ability) over rapid strikes as it is one of the best single target attacks in the game. Also, try practicing sneaking in a light attack in between every ability to up your dps.

Here is a link to a pretty good end game NB dps build.

eso-skills.com/skill/?z=QKd4pwW@D79bvEP%DAsD44Q@5tW8_kj&p=90629072908290929162917291829192926292729282929202520262027202820292005200620072008200921113112211321142115220412304233430513063307330813252326231513172319231825613562356336023&a=000064&c=Gilliam&j=t&q=070&w=20&m=b

Definitely gonna study that build!
I played WoW from 13 to 20, embarrassingly enough lol. I'm enjoying ESO much more even though so far I've felt pretty... broken since the NB is my main.
I'll swap out Surprise Attack for Rapid Strikes and work on my light attack weaving, too.

Good luck out there NB's are definitely a fun class to play!

I absolutely love stealthy rogue-like classes, but was disappointed when Bows weren't as good/viable as they were in Skyrim. For the Blade and Blunt passive, what type of weapon is best? I've been running daggers but previously used swords.

I like dual swords to maximize weapon damage (with a buff either from pots,rally, hidden blade or another group member). If you want to use daggers, the best in the game are the Maelstrom ones. Without those I just prefer the higher damage over the crit. Once you hover around 55% crit its better to just focus on damage anyways.

bantycakes

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

bantycakes wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

You seem to have no weapon damage buff. You either need to run Rally from the 2h line, hidden blade from the dw skill line, or chug weapon damage potions. The 20% weapon damage is extremely beneficial in all aspects of the game and it is something you are currently lacking.

Ah, okay. I think I know how I completely missed the difference between DPS and weapons damage - I blame too much WoW in my early teen years. I felt like I had too many buffs (buttons X, Y, and B...) and then one attack for single target and one for AoE. Felt kinda lacking and this is definitely something I'll mess around with and find a comfortable way to implement. Thank you.

I played WoW for 8 years lol. ESO is much better . I'd also use surprise attack (nightblade ability) over rapid strikes as it is one of the best single target attacks in the game. Also, try practicing sneaking in a light attack in between every ability to up your dps.

Here is a link to a pretty good end game NB dps build.

eso-skills.com/skill/?z=QKd4pwW@D79bvEP%DAsD44Q@5tW8_kj&p=90629072908290929162917291829192926292729282929202520262027202820292005200620072008200921113112211321142115220412304233430513063307330813252326231513172319231825613562356336023&a=000064&c=Gilliam&j=t&q=070&w=20&m=b

Definitely gonna study that build!
I played WoW from 13 to 20, embarrassingly enough lol. I'm enjoying ESO much more even though so far I've felt pretty... broken since the NB is my main.
I'll swap out Surprise Attack for Rapid Strikes and work on my light attack weaving, too.

Good luck out there NB's are definitely a fun class to play!

I absolutely love stealthy rogue-like classes, but was disappointed when Bows weren't as good/viable as they were in Skyrim. For the Blade and Blunt passive, what type of weapon is best? I've been running daggers but previously used swords.

I like dual swords to maximize weapon damage (with a buff either from pots,rally, hidden blade or another group member). If you want to use daggers, the best in the game are the Maelstrom ones. Without those I just prefer the higher damage over the crit. Once you hover around 55% crit its better to just focus on damage anyways.

I'll definitely be trying this stuff out as soon as the server is back up, lol. Here's to a functioning Stamblade!
(And, not to sound stupid, but is Hidden Blade a morph of Surprise Attack or am I just not seeing the tooltip on the skill calculator?)

NoFlash

I use 2h and bow and I focus on burst damage(single target). There are plenty of burst builds available online via youtube. Save up gold or farm materials yourself, but v16 gold gear makes a huge difference plus you need to get gold enchants.

I always run 5 hundings on all my stamina builds and you can use what ever set you have to finish up the build

bantycakes

EvoAZN wrote: »

I use 2h and bow and I focus on burst damage(single target). There are plenty of burst builds available online via youtube. Save up gold or farm materials yourself, but v16 gold gear makes a huge difference plus you need to get gold enchants.

I always run 5 hundings on all my stamina builds and you can use what ever set you have to finish up the build

Thanks! I'm anxious to put everything I've gotten here to work once the servers come back up.

psychotic13

15k Heath and 16k stamina? They seem very low.

Do you have a good jewlery set?
Are you running food?
How are your attribute points distributed?

Van_0S

You already have high critical rating, so go for shadow mundus(boost your critical damage) instead of theif.

You also need 25k-30k minimum stamina to survive and burst damage.( your ability damage scales of max stamina.)

For your health use bi-state / tri-state food to get it.(Even your magicka is important as well.)

Lastly, your weapon damage should be 2300--2800 unbuffed.
Use increase weapon damage on rings anand neck and buy/get Agility rings from vendor/dungeons.

psychotic13

Also upgrading the v16 purple will make a difference too

Azor_Ahaii

I recommend switching from dw to 2h and use rally, it is a great heal and buff. You also should try getting vigor as it is a great stamina heal. For gear you should do something like 5 hundings and then 3 nights silence for sustain or 3 ashen grip for a bit more health and damage. Optimal gear would be 5 hundings, 1 Kena 1, blood spawn, maelstrom 2h and bow, agility jewellery with 2 weapon damage and have stam regen enchants. Use the serpent mundus for even more stamina regen. You will probably have enough regen (2k+) now as you are bosmer you get 21% extra stam regen so you can go with bi stat food instead of drinks. With 5 piece hundings 3 piece nights silence and lekis jewellery with a few damage enchants you should have 30k+ stamina (with food and around 20k health), 2000+ stam recovery and 2500+ weapon damage. I also recommend using impenetrable trait for your gear for pvp.

Daveheart

@bantycakes check out this thread from Gilliam. He's put more work into maximizing stamina nightblade DPS than anyone else (at best maybe someone's matched his efforts). He's already written out everything you should need and has been responsive to most all inquiries. Good luck.

kadar

(And, not to sound stupid, but is Hidden Blade a morph of Surprise Attack or am I just not seeing the tooltip on the skill calculator?)

Hidden Blade is a DW skill.

Acsvf

Your maximum stamina is the lowest I have seen on a v16 stamina DPS- no offense- it's something you'll definitely need to increase.

budrow

2hand imo is better than do because of heal/buff with rally and morphing reverse slash to executioner turns every skill on the 2h bar to be an execute (300% increase in damage to below 50% health enemy) i tried dw/bow and had to chug weap dmg drinks all the time and my end stats were not as impressive. I run ambush, surprise attack, rally, executioner and evasion on that bar. The execute bonus on 2h bar essentially is like adding weapon damage as well as marking the target with piercing mark debuff's the target making u hit harder. Good luck. My stamblade is built around using a bow but my 2h bar is for close quarter battles. I run full marksman set with 3pc leki, all vet16 and purple with gold glyphs. All 7pc medium. My weapon damage in cyrodill with rally is roughly 3700. So after I focus aim/heavy attack, a lot of times my target is near or below 50% so ambush, surprise attack and executioner all become executes. This build came to life because of the marksmans set which 5pc gives me added weapon damage to bow abilities. I also have 3pc agility jewelry with all 3 healthy because it's cheaper and I just put all attributes into stamina to give me 36000 stam and 24000 health to survive. I run vigor on my bow bar with cloak, mark, focused aim and poison injection. It's a lot fun and with a group, you can really be a huge help with your executes and marks. Good luck

Americanfunguy

Your stamina is way to low. What is your rings and necklace?

bantycakes

Sorry this reply took forever.

@psychotic13 @Americanfunguy Necklace is a purple V15 Diamond Necklace of Reduce Feat cost with Robust. Rings are both blue V16 Ring of Bahraha's Curse with Stam recovery and Robust.

I'm running V16 food now which helps somewhat. My attribute points are all in Stamina now and with food my stats are 19.7k Health and 25k Stam, having made no gear changes and simply redoing my attribute points and adding food.

@Van_0S I'm looking into getting the Agility jewelry pieces ASAP while also gathering mats for my V16 set. I've started using purple V16 tri-stat food and did switch Mundus stones so my Crit rating is 73.2% unbuffed and weapon damage remains unchanged at 1993.

@Azor_Ahaii @budrow I might have to look into switching to 2H. Not crazy about it but if it works better, I'll definitely give it a shot.

@Daveheart Thanks for the link, I'll be reading it as soon as I've posted this reply!

@The_Outsider Thanks, finally found it.

@Acsvf No offense taken! I'm just trying to get this Stamblade thing figured out. Thought I knew what I was doing, turns out I don't lol.