Shuffle + Bone Shield + Dodge roll the new meta?

Waffennacht

With shuffle lasting 20 secs, with a stam being able to dodge/CC far more, and now access to viable ward.

With Vigor and Rally, with medium armor...

Is stam the new meta? And I do mean stam any class

What do you think?

dimensional

I still think magicka has a lot to offer, and also more utility than stam. I believe it's just even, now (overall, I mean).

Callous2208

dimensional wrote: »

I still think magicka has a lot to offer, and also more utility than stam. I believe it's just even, now (overall, I mean).

Agreed.

Kerioko

you mean: shuffle + bone shield + dodge roll while wearing 7/7 well fitted armor to reduce dodge cost!

DemonDruaga

Gonna hate this perma rolling thing even more

UltimaJoe777

DemonDruaga wrote: »

Gonna hate this perma rolling thing even more

It won't go that far. This is why they increased the cost of Dodge Rolling when you use it too much in succession.

Baconlad

I'm on the side of the house that feels that dodge roll needs to be reverted back to previous costs, not scaling due to how often you dodge roll. Also they need to remove vigor with the dodge roll revert. Bone shield change? I don't like it, gives stamina builds and ACTIVE defense on top of dodge rolling...

UltimaJoe777

Baconlad wrote: »

I'm on the side of the house that feels that dodge roll needs to be reverted back to previous costs, not scaling due to how often you dodge roll. Also they need to remove vigor with the dodge roll revert. Bone shield change? I don't like it, gives stamina builds and ACTIVE defense on top of dodge rolling...

Magicka has 1 too ya know.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

10 Magkica temps in heavy, 10 stam temps medium. Heal/dps, unkillable snarepocalypse that doesn't need to stand on top of each other with players being in your face combatants and rock solid turrets at distance.

D0ntevenL1ft

The length of the shields was never the problem. Besides exactly like a sorc if someone is repeatedly dodge rolling and casting shields they are not doing any damage. Now stam has the exact same outs as a shield stacker with one less shield being replaced by a dodge roll. This patch will be much more balanced than what we have currently.

Apoxsee

Any dodge just jack against aoe and channeled attacks... So I see more balance now assuming there aren't any unknown exploits.

Waffennacht

You guys bone shield plus shuffle means immunity to snares and the largest ward yet right?

Shuffle might as well add 20% to bone ward, effectively making it stronger than hardened ward.

So stam gets the best ward and has better resist and the ability to break cc more often.

There is no way a sorc can compare to this (magicka sorc not magicka classes)

I don't see magicka sorcs being nerfed, all classes but magicka sorcs just got buffed.

acw37162

You forgot ring of preservation and the buff to well fitted.

itscompton

Waffennacht wrote: »

You guys bone shield plus shuffle means immunity to snares and the largest ward yet right?

Shuffle might as well add 20% to bone ward, effectively making it stronger than hardened ward.

So stam gets the best ward and has better resist and the ability to break cc more often.

There is no way a sorc can compare to this (magicka sorc not magicka classes)

I don't see magicka sorcs being nerfed, all classes but magicka sorcs just got buffed.

Magicka Templars took a pretty big hit with losing the ability for sweeps to crit on the heal and all we got back in return was a weak snare and small DOT added to our circles. Plus our class shield is now the only shield to still scale off health instead of the much bigger pools of magicka or stam that harness and bone shield use. It's nice the LA shield will now take physical damage too but on my V16 Temp annulment is at stage II and only absorbs 4400 in damage for PVP, that's less damage than one basic spammable attack puts out and still not worth a spot on my bar.

Waffennacht

itscompton wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You guys bone shield plus shuffle means immunity to snares and the largest ward yet right?

Shuffle might as well add 20% to bone ward, effectively making it stronger than hardened ward.

So stam gets the best ward and has better resist and the ability to break cc more often.

There is no way a sorc can compare to this (magicka sorc not magicka classes)

I don't see magicka sorcs being nerfed, all classes but magicka sorcs just got buffed.

Magicka Templars took a pretty big hit with losing the ability for sweeps to crit on the heal and all we got back in return was a weak snare and small DOT added to our circles. Plus our class shield is now the only shield to still scale off health instead of the much bigger pools of magicka or stam that harness and bone shield use. It's nice the LA shield will now take physical damage too but on my V16 Temp annulment is at stage II and only absorbs 4400 in damage for PVP, that's less damage than one basic spammable attack puts out and still not worth a spot on my bar.

It gets bigger, but imo I'd use dampen magic, if ur regen is high enough the magicka return isn't that helpful and the huge % boost of dampen magic now makes it a hardened ward. I suppose it can also be ran with shuffle. Just wont have the immunity.

Riggsy

Waffennacht wrote: »

There is no way a sorc can compare to this (magicka sorc not magicka classes)

And? Sorcs were OP because of their shields, then they got the nerf hammer. They are not the first class to abuse a powerful ability only to find it changed or taken away. I hope you had fun while it lasted.

Waffennacht

Riggsy wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

There is no way a sorc can compare to this (magicka sorc not magicka classes)

And? Sorcs were OP because of their shields, then they got the nerf hammer. They are not the first class to abuse a powerful ability only to find it changed or taken away. I hope you had fun while it lasted.

First off im not complaining, quite honestly this has no effect on my builds.

Im just more concerned with class identity.

Now the only identity sorcs have is Pets, and honestly with this up coming patch so many other class builds just look plain more appealing.

I mean there is far larger variety in other classes.

The only reason why I really stayed with sorc was just hardened ward and the pets. With sets and were wolves you can have a better stam pet build than a magicka sorc pet build. Which also sounds way more cool than what I have now to be fair.

templesus

Waffennacht wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

There is no way a sorc can compare to this (magicka sorc not magicka classes)

And? Sorcs were OP because of their shields, then they got the nerf hammer. They are not the first class to abuse a powerful ability only to find it changed or taken away. I hope you had fun while it lasted.

First off im not complaining, quite honestly this has no effect on my builds.

Im just more concerned with class identity.

Now the only identity sorcs have is Pets, and honestly with this up coming patch so many other class builds just look plain more appealing.

I mean there is far larger variety in other classes.

The only reason why I really stayed with sorc was just hardened ward and the pets. With sets and were wolves you can have a better stam pet build than a magicka sorc pet build. Which also sounds way more cool than what I have now to be fair.

Or their identity is a caster? Almost all abilities are ranged?

Xsorus

There is zero reason to run Boneshield when you already have Shuffle...

You're just wasting stamina on overkilling defense.

mistermutiny89

They've increased the cost of dodge rolling too.

That's what ZoS does. They ship crap from one container into the next, still storing it in the same room, making you believe buffs are in place that actually aren't buffs at all. My guess is dodge rolling will come out almost the same cost as it is now as with the new well fitted trait.

I may be wrong though. We'll see! As for magicka users without maneuverability: good luck at doing Maelstrom now... One dodge roll and a block every ten seconds.. We're screwed.

MidnightBlue

I might or might not use Bone Shield in pvp, it's situational. I survive ok for the most part in pvp, but I know I sure as hell will use it in pve.

leepalmer95

Bone shield is 15% of your max stamina, 40k stamina = 6k shield.

It's really not worth it with shuffle, waste of a slot.

Lynx7386

Yea I'm not sure that stacking the two will ever be cost effective. I can see stacking them if you're using bone shield specifically to help absorb damage from channeled attacks while escaping a fight, but that's about it.

I was expecting it to be more than 15% max stamina as a damage shield, was really hoping for something more along the lines of what you can get with hardened ward or dampen magic now. Figures they'd make it so weak so as to be useless.

MidnightBlue

Didn't know it was only 15% of your stamina. I can't find it stated in the patch notes.

Haydenmango

itscompton wrote: »

Plus our class shield is now the only shield to still scale off health instead of the much bigger pools of magicka or stam that harness and bone shield use.

Obsidian Shield and its morphs still scale off health.

As a Magicka Dragonknight I am not very excited for this patch (dawnbreaker is physical damage now, nerfed proxi det, nerfed annulment, and nerfed obsidian shield).

I suppose I could respec to be a Stamina Poisonknight but that doesn't sound appealing to me.

swirve

Shuffle boneshield dodge roll sounds like a new dance craze all the pop kiddies are doing...

Waffennacht

Only 15%? In PvP or before? If it's 6k in Pvp shuffle could make it a 7.2k shield (mathematically) bastion could make it feel like a 8k ward. Not too bad imo, not hardened tho.

I may have over estimated bone shield (though If they are adding rolling cost then eep)

As for the mage identity, everything ranged is actually a hindrance, not a blessing. Scales and Posture are such a pain now that Tomb sucks.

But! I have a really cool pet idea...

AfkNinja

Waffennacht wrote: »

Only 15%? In PvP or before? If it's 6k in Pvp shuffle could make it a 7.2k shield (mathematically) bastion could make it feel like a 8k ward. Not too bad imo, not hardened tho.

I may have over estimated bone shield (though If they are adding rolling cost then eep)

As for the mage identity, everything ranged is actually a hindrance, not a blessing. Scales and Posture are such a pain now that Tomb sucks.

But! I have a really cool pet idea...

it's 30% in PVE but 15% in pvp due to battle spirit. 7500 ward with 100 points in Bastion isn't that worth it if you have Vigor. I see it more as a supplemental defense to stack with Rally to help people that don't have Vigor yet.

TheDarkShadow

Magblade Harness Magicka + Double take + Healing Ward + cloak?
Sorc Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward + Healing Ward + Streak?
Even Mag DK and Tamplar is stronger with Harness Magicka now shield you from both phys and magicka damage. So... nah... I don't think stam is too OP.

Waffennacht

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

Magblade Harness Magicka + Double take + Healing Ward + cloak?
Sorc Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward + Healing Ward + Streak?
Even Mag DK and Tamplar is stronger with Harness Magicka now shield you from both phys and magicka damage. So... nah... I don't think stam is too OP.

Streak harness ward streak only took a nerf. It wasn't super efficient before, shouldn't be any better now.