Major nerf to defence WTF!?

RAGUNAnoOne

Reading the patch notes and this jumped out All shields now lasting 6 seconds!What the heck are you thinking it would have been better to buff all the useless shields and equalize them at 20 or even 16. you do realize that sorcs and magicka builds in general will have no good defense now right especially since you also raise block and roll dodge!?

edited to remove inflammatory statement.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yea no just stop right now all you magicka users and your stupid QQ about shields just stop.

Spent 15 minutes trying to kill 1 sorcerer spamming shields on PTS shields are still just as good as they are now.

Just stop it now.

RoyJade

Of course, they've nerf shield duration. Not shield power.
So the main issue (people nearly immortal as their spamming shield) is still here, and worse : everyone can now do the same !

RAGUNAnoOne

It is not just shields read the whole post there are 2 parts here sheesh...

DKsUnite

yeh the duration wasnt usually the problem, it was the fact that the shields were so large when you need to execute that you couldnt get throught them. We will see how good of a change this is.

susmitds

However, you are forgetting something. Poisons will allow you to take away a sorcerer's stamina. Then apply CC for the win.

Rylana

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea no just stop right now all you magicka users and your stupid QQ about shields just stop.

Spent 15 minutes trying to kill 1 sorcerer spamming shields on PTS shields are still just as good as they are now.

Just stop it now.

I hate to say I told ya so.... but.... I told ya so

RoyJade

The whole change promote ganking :
- two pure ganking sets (one boost weapon damage when attacking from behind, other add a strong dot to every stealth attack)
- major boost to camouflaged hunter who'll work on everyone
- no more shield everytime, so easier to gank
- boost to stamina everywhere who mostly profit to gank build
- huge boost to stamblade offensive (best stamina ultimate, best spammable attack, best stamina execute, huge burst procced attack if the target survive more than 4 second).

Bofrari

They increased block cost too?

zZzleepyhead

Yet another rage about the shield nerf without presenting any argument.

Panth141

Is this not a net buff to magicka defence in pvp?
How often does your shield last a whole 6 seconds?

Now harness magicka is also giving physical mitigation, you effectively have two hardened wards. Yes, they're shorter, but if you're taking burst damage in PvP do you not have to reapply something like every 5-10 seconds as if breaks? Now you'll just be even better at mitigating physical damage when you stack.

These are genuine questions - my Sorc is only vr11 and certainly isn't my main, so I genuinely am interested.

I completely understand the annoyance for PvE sorcerers, particularly sorc tanks, though.

Anti_Virus

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Reading the patch notes and this jumped out All shields now lasting 6 seconds!What the heck are you thinking it would have been better to buff all the useless shields and equalize them at 20 or even 16. you do realize that sorcs and magicka builds in general will have no good defense now right especially since you also raise block and roll dodge!?

Lol stop the QQ now sorcs can Stack 3 shields against all builds

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Forestd16b14_ESO

Rylana wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea no just stop right now all you magicka users and your stupid QQ about shields just stop.

Spent 15 minutes trying to kill 1 sorcerer spamming shields on PTS shields are still just as good as they are now.

Just stop it now.

I hate to say I told ya so.... but.... I told ya so

Well shield are still OP just well they wont be able to forever tank 2 or 3 players cause CC them a few times and what not.

Mr.Hmm

Just stop please.

Shield stacking is a bad idea, I am thankful that they finally nerfed shields even if its the duration they stay up.

Now Mages gotta decide if they want to spam Shield thus potentially waste lots of magicka or if they want to deal dmg, before mages could do both easily.

RinaldoGandolphi

Many don't realize

For pvp this isn't a nerf at all it's a huge buff...its PVE that got miffed here, in pvp Sorcs will be even stronger then they are now...harness blocking physics and magic returning magic on hit and stacking with Ward and healing Ward LMAO!

Just wait it's not a nerf at all, better 3-4 on one every sorc you see you will rarely kill one alone now even if they are not very good lol huge buff

Averya_Teira

Let me start by saying I don't really PvP.

Now, how is shield stacking a problem exactly ? If a sorc is shield stacking, he/she has to basically spam Harness Magicka and Hardened Ward right ? That means that player is doing 0 actual damage, or at best very little damage ? How is that a threat to anyone ?

I'd like an explanation with this shield stacking ''problem'' please. Sounds like what a tank should be doing in PvP, annoy the enemy by not dying, but no actual threat to them.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Let me start by saying I don't really PvP.

Now, how is shield stacking a problem exactly ? If a sorc is shield stacking, he/she has to basically spam Harness Magicka and Hardened Ward right ? That means that player is doing 0 actual damage, or at best very little damage ? How is that a threat to anyone ?

I'd like an explanation with this shield stacking ''problem'' please. Sounds like what a tank should be doing in PvP, annoy the enemy by not dying, but no actual threat to them.

Well were to start......

Shield stacking is were of course a player stacks multiple shields at once and even with the PvP nerf to them players still achieve 20-30K shields which would last for like 20 seconds allowing light armor users to outlast players who actually spec themselves to be tanks while also maintaining stupid amounts of DPS. So being a better tank than tanks and having the best DPS in the game you can see how that would be imbalanced.

Now the changes are that shields are still as powerful just only now last 6 seconds now either a player can pop the shield or outlast it leveling the playing field.

Lastly yes tanks are meant to be the distraction but still early in PTS and hopefully ZOS will continue to buff HA and give it actual tank passives like bringing back bracing.

Minalan

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Many don't realize

For pvp this isn't a nerf at all it's a huge buff...its PVE that got miffed here, in pvp Sorcs will be even stronger then they are now...harness blocking physics and magic returning magic on hit and stacking with Ward and healing Ward LMAO!

Just wait it's not a nerf at all, better 3-4 on one every sorc you see you will rarely kill one alone now even if they are not very good lol huge buff

You try applying two shields every four seconds, on your back bar.

Let me know how that works out for you..

Bossdonut

It's a pretty stupid change for pve and pointless for pvp. If you can't burn through a shield in 6 seconds you aren't going to kill the guy anyways...

OrangeTheCat

Abuse it and lose it.

Sigma957

The writing was on the wall when the first cries of shield stacking were first put on the forums ages ago just be thankful they only nerfed the duration and not the actual strength of the shield. Seen it in pvp where a sorc health was at 4k but stacked shields to over 25k, enough time to be at full health again by the time the shield were brought down.

Lylith

another 'fix' to something that was never broken to begin with.

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Lokey0024

Btw sorcs, the block button is the right mouse button/L2. Just thought id remind you.

Magdalina

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Btw sorcs, the block button is the right mouse button/L2. Just thought id remind you.

'Tis a shame I can only block like 3 times with my 9k stam before I'm OOS. And gods forbid I have to rolldodge somewhere in between, or maybe bash... >.<

STEVIL

Minalan wrote: »

You try applying two shields every four seconds, on your back bar.

Let me know how that works out for you..

And so if you intend to rely on them as primary defense they will move to the front bar, right?

Also, if you plan to spam those sheilds in combat, relying on DOT effects and the PETS (5k tougher now?) might be worth a second look, instead of "pets useless in PVP" or whatever.

Its day one of playtest, not the end of days.

My main sorc is not worried, just... thinking.

Daveheart

I'm far more concerned with the increased cost to block, dodge, and break-free (especially since CC-immunity seems to be spotty at best). We'll see how it all ends up affecting time to kill, but it doesn't seem like it'll go up...

Lord_Wrath

If anything i think shields should increase cost by 50% each time it is used like streak does now. At the same time without a shield at all us sorcs are very squishy and hardly have stamina.

Jade1986

JDC1985 wrote: »

They increased block cost too?

Yep. ZoS is pretty consistant with their nerfing to block. Seems every other update we get Fd in the A without lube.

Vangy

DEATH to all the noob sorcs running around with 7/7 LA full divines with 40k magicka. Now you actually need some skill to play sorc. And for PvP harness is going to be so OP -_-".... Good sorcs are going to be nigh unkillable now lol.

UltimaJoe777

Vangy wrote: »

DEATH to all the noob sorcs running around with 7/7 LA full divines with 40k magicka. Now you actually need some skill to play sorc. And for PvP harness is going to be so OP -_-".... Good sorcs are going to be nigh unkillable now lol.

Running full LA divines with pure magicka doesn't auto-noobify you know... Some with skill STILL choose that setup anyway and make it work fine, regardless of the upcoming changes. That being said, carry on with your battle cry.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Even 6 seconds is 2 long, most of you shieldstackers will spam shielding spells within seconds of each other so I don't see how this makes a difference when you don't even wait for the shield to end before casting another one.