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Dark Brotherhood questline
Nic727
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Hi,
I really hope quests with Dark Brotherhood will be better than in Skyrim... In Skyrim Its all about killing innocent people for no reason. I hope in TESO it will be different.
What do you think of Skyrim DB questline?
What would you like improved for TESO?
I really hope quests with Dark Brotherhood will be better than in Skyrim... In Skyrim Its all about killing innocent people for no reason. I hope in TESO it will be different.
What do you think of Skyrim DB questline?
What would you like improved for TESO?
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well,it IS a DLC about murderers,actually.So,killing is the main part of it,I am sure.
There were reasons for killing people in Skyrim. It wasnt just for no good reason.People got in other people's way,or betrayed them,etc.6 -
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✭NO THERE MUST BE BLOODSHED to those that appose the Brotherhood. The night mother MUST BE PLEASED!Power Wealth And Influence.3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What are you expecting, exactly, if not killing innocents?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
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I know, but when you were selling and buying stuffs with a guy and after you need to kill him... Same for the bard orc in Dawnstar.Well,it IS a DLC about murderers,actually.So,killing is the main part of it,I am sure.
There were reasons for killing people in Skyrim. It wasnt just for no good reason.People got in other people's way,or betrayed them,etc.
Killing rich people murdering childrens?What are you expecting, exactly, if not killing innocents?
Edited by Nic727 on April 24, 2016 2:37AM0 -
Svalinn✭✭✭well i loved the dark brotherhood in oblivion... i liked it in skyrim even tho i think the oblivion one was far better... and i don't really care if i have to kill innocents i mean.. if i'm a killer i'm a killer.. and people make contracts with the dark brotherhoos to kill whoever they want for wathever reason they want.. if you can't live with it then you're not "killer material"... and you should probably hope for a "shining knight saving princesses" kind of DLC xD
Edited by Svalinn on April 24, 2016 2:45AM4 -
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
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I know, but when you were selling and buying stuffs with a guy and after you need to kill him... Same for the bard orc in Dawnstar.Well,it IS a DLC about murderers,actually.So,killing is the main part of it,I am sure.
There were reasons for killing people in Skyrim. It wasnt just for no good reason.People got in other people's way,or betrayed them,etc.
Killing rich people murdering childrens?What are you expecting, exactly, if not killing innocents?
Well, that could happen I guess, but I wouldn't count on it if I were you. Who is more likely to do the Black Sacrament? A good person looking for justice, or a bad person seeking vengeance?
You can at least hope the DB will be almost entirely killed off in the end of the quest line, though. It happened on the last games.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
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I know, but when you were selling and buying stuffs with a guy and after you need to kill him... Same for the bard orc in Dawnstar.Well,it IS a DLC about murderers,actually.So,killing is the main part of it,I am sure.
There were reasons for killing people in Skyrim. It wasnt just for no good reason.People got in other people's way,or betrayed them,etc.
Killing rich people murdering childrens?What are you expecting, exactly, if not killing innocents?
Ok,..dont purchase it,and if you sub,just dont get into the skill line and quests.Ignore them.
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Not necessarily. It is exactly what happened in Skyrim, and it didn't kill the repeatable quests.
I don't remember if the quest line in Oblivion had repeatable quests, though. It's been a while.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Svalinn✭✭✭Not necessarily. It is exactly what happened in Skyrim, and it didn't kill the repeatable quests.
I don't remember if the quest line in Oblivion had repeatable quests, though. It's been a while.
Uhm no well... the one in skyrim if i recall correctly at the end they get a new sanctuary new members and such... and that is just the SKYRIM DB... in ESO tho the Dark Brotherhood will operate on a "global scale" )they announed that the quest line will send people all over tamriel i thnk) so having it almost die would mean... having it almost die on the whole tamriel... not a smart move... expecially since thanks to the other ES games we know that the DB has big roles to play in the "future" (or the "past" depends how you want to see it :P)2 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭I liked skyrim DB. DB are paid to kill anyone no questions asked. So of course we will kill innocents. I really liked to kill the emperor of Tamriel (and the cooking quest was really fun).
Also that kid was terrifying.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dark Brotherhood = murder for gold.
There will be bloodshed.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not necessarily. It is exactly what happened in Skyrim, and it didn't kill the repeatable quests.
I don't remember if the quest line in Oblivion had repeatable quests, though. It's been a while.
Uhm no well... the one in skyrim if i recall correctly at the end they get a new sanctuary new members and such... and that is just the SKYRIM DB... in ESO tho the Dark Brotherhood will operate on a "global scale" )they announed that the quest line will send people all over tamriel i thnk) so having it almost die would mean... having it almost die on the whole tamriel... not a smart move... expecially since thanks to the other ES games we know that the DB has big roles to play in the "future" (or the "past" depends how you want to see it :P)
Yes, a couple of members survive and you move on after the guild was almost completely destroyed. That's just something that happens to the DB. It is the same in Oblivion (but AFAIK, without repeatable quests). The repeatable quests sending you all over Tamriel are irrelevant. It just means you are going to murder targets all over Tamriel, and that doesn't require the DB to end up pristine in the end of their quest line, it merely requires the Night Mother, a Listener and someone to perform the Black Sacrament.
The DB was almost completely destroyed in Oblivion too, and that didn't stop them from playing a role in Skyrim, only 200 years later. I don't see how we can't have ESO's DB almost completely destroyed, as it has plenty of time to rebuild in the next centuries.
I will make sure not to get attached to any of the members. I might end up having to kill them (like in Oblivion) or seeing them being killed like in Skyrim.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
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Back in Skyrim, my character had a reason. She got paid...In Skyrim Its all about killing innocent people for no reason...
Soon in ESO, my main character will do the same things for the same reason.
My less ruthless characters on the other hand... may will never play that particular storyline.
I kinda wish these two "criminal" DLCs offered two choices for guild membership, mutually exclusive... one for the DLC story, and one that makes it impossible to get there. Like... an Iron Wheel membership that locks you out of any outlaw refugees and treasure troves, for those characters who are all lawful and such... I totally have a couple characters who would go for that sort of thing!
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Karminathevamp✭✭✭I've always destroyed the DB in Oblivion and Skyrim. I guess I won't be able to do the same in ESO now. We'll know soon enough...
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good news, OP. The devs said thateveryone you kill are bad people.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
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✭Basically just like the Thieves guild a lot of the side quests needed to be completed will be quests from the listener/nightmother. Probably going around killing new NCPs in towns and cities.Master Debater0 -
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✭✭✭I never was a fan of the DB quest line in other ES games. I always felt like such a b****** doing them.
That 1 quest in Oblivion where the little old lady mistook me as a delivery service to send her children presents always killed me on the inside.
I'll have to do it in ESO because chances are high that there will be skill points involved and I'm in short supply.
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NovaMarx✭✭✭✭✭I'm hoping for a more covert/assassin/spy kind of spin on DB - with missions where you have to follow people around and stuff like that. After all, ESO is set waaay before the other ES games, so they are allowed to venture a bit away from the "norm" (although, of course still keeping with lore).
But from what I've heard, it's kinda gonna be a bit "cultish" and quite dark. For these reasons, I will be making an alt just to play DB - then later determine whether it fits my main character (who does not like killing - unless it is a proven and violent enemy) - although, if the skill line is worth it, I will probably do it with my main anyway."Feet are for walking. Hands are for hitting. Or shaking. Or waving. Sometimes for clapping."
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm wondering if the DB questline is going to contain a Purification. Lucien mentioned there had only been a handful prior to Oblivion...#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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✭✭✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »I'm wondering if the DB questline is going to contain a Purification. Lucien mentioned there had only been a handful prior to Oblivion...
I'm expecting something like that to happen.
I get pretty attached to game characters, and I will do my best to not get so attached this time because I know very well that there is a very real possibility that they won't survive the DLC. I learned my lesson with Oblivion and Skyrim.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
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✭Hi,
I really hope quests with Dark Brotherhood will be better than in Skyrim... In Skyrim Its all about killing innocent people for no reason. I hope in TESO it will be different.
What do you think of Skyrim DB questline?
What would you like improved for TESO?
It's the Dark Brotherhood. The Dark Brotherhood.Well,it IS a DLC about murderers,actually.So,killing is the main part of it,I am sure.
There were reasons for killing people in Skyrim. It wasnt just for no good reason.People got in other people's way,or betrayed them,etc.
This.
I'm curious: what kind of believable quest line could even be written that would change a group of murdering, psychotic cultists, who worship to the corpse of a dead woman and who will kill whenever some poor soul initiates a particular ritual, into a feel-good group of heroes who only kill for ... reasons?
Meh. I think they went too soft on the Thieves Guild myself. They're thieves. They steal. Don't try to make it all ... nice.
Edited by IrishGirlGamer on April 24, 2016 9:00PMValar Morghulis.
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✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »[
Meh. I think they went too soft on the Thieves Guild myself. They're thieves. They steal. Don't try to make it all ... nice.
I agree with everything you just posted, except for this. I mean I can see why you think that. The TG characters were painted in a very sympathetic light, and I really liked that. But if you wander around the Thieves Den, and talk to the random NPCs there and read the books, just about every single one of them admits to being a thief and loves the outlaw lifestyle. Some even try to evade questioning about their illicit activities. Even the main quest storyline reflects that their thievery comes with consequences (the Iron Wheel coming after them because of an alleged dowry heist).3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »I'm curious: what kind of believable quest line could even be written that would change a group of murdering, psychotic cultists, who worship to the corpse of a dead woman and who will kill whenever some poor soul initiates a particular ritual, into a feel-good group of heroes who only kill for ... reasons?
The closest I can think of is, Sithis -> Lorkhan and the DB feed him souls to hold the Mundus together, since Talos isn't a thing quite yet. But even that's a stretch.
That said, there are ways to make individuals more sympathetic--Dark Sister A who was thrown out of her family because she got pregnant by someone the family didn't care for whose initial murder was for revenge, the Shadowscale who was trained for this since hatching but harbors secret doubts, the man who grew up being constantly abused and sees contracts as a way to purge suffering from the world, the ex-healer who mercy-killed a patient only to find out afterwards they could have cured them and cracked a little as a result...#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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✭dimensional wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »[
Meh. I think they went too soft on the Thieves Guild myself. They're thieves. They steal. Don't try to make it all ... nice.
I agree with everything you just posted, except for this. I mean I can see why you think that. The TG characters were painted in a very sympathetic light, and I really liked that. But if you wander around the Thieves Den, and talk to the random NPCs there and read the books, just about every single one of them admits to being a thief and loves the outlaw lifestyle. Some even try to evade questioning about their illicit activities. Even the main quest storyline reflects that their thievery comes with consequences (the Iron Wheel coming after them because of an alleged dowry heist).
I gave you an agree because I do agree there is that element to the Guild, but then it's all glossed over with a shiny coat of nice.
And there's nothing "wrong" with that - Robin Hood and all that - but to me it felt a little disingenuous.
Edited by IrishGirlGamer on April 24, 2016 9:47PMValar Morghulis.
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✭I could have sworn it was around this era when the DB was founded. It was a splinter group of the Morag Tong that performed assassinations for profit instead of doing legal killings.
Honestly I feel like the DB story will involve the Morag Tong as well. If this doesn't cover the beginning of the DB (and perhaps let you choose whether to join the DB or MT) then it could cover a continuing conflict between the leader(s) of the two groups as a result of that split. Thus, I have a feeling the leader of the DB will be a Dunmer.2 -
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✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »dimensional wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »[
Meh. I think they went too soft on the Thieves Guild myself. They're thieves. They steal. Don't try to make it all ... nice.
I agree with everything you just posted, except for this. I mean I can see why you think that. The TG characters were painted in a very sympathetic light, and I really liked that. But if you wander around the Thieves Den, and talk to the random NPCs there and read the books, just about every single one of them admits to being a thief and loves the outlaw lifestyle. Some even try to evade questioning about their illicit activities. Even the main quest storyline reflects that their thievery comes with consequences (the Iron Wheel coming after them because of an alleged dowry heist).
I gave you an agree because I do agree there is that element to the Guild, but then it's all glossed over with a shiny coat of nice.
And there's nothing "wrong" with that - Robin Hood and all that - but to me it felt a little disingenuous.
I think this was in effort to make the characters "likeable" in the sense that you might consider them your friends, rather than professional associates. I do hope the DB is more of the latter, rather than the former.1
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