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Save this game with Arena and Battleground PVP
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't get why people are against arenas and battlegrounds. If you don't like them, don't play them - they never killed any games.
In my opinion, they are a must have for any MMORPG. The time/money investment for their creation should be relatively small and they offer endless content to keep players entertained. Why wouldn't you want that for the game?
My only gripe would be if they tie it with the gear system. You shouldn't have to grind for gear just so you can have a quick 4v4 fight, it kinda defeats the purpose.
Actually arenas murdered pvp in swtor and wow. They are a literal cancer on any mmo. The people that even designed them called them a mistake and said they wish they never created them1 -
americansteel✭✭✭✭the arena's will lead to massive nerf to magicka sorc so i'm ok with that
this needs to happen regardless of pvp arane. unfortunately sorcs are the most OP class, tankier than a 7/7 HA DK tank and holds stupid amount of dps.
nerf the sorc - one step closer to pvp balance!
battleground yes. arena no. take pvp away from IC or take AP away from IC. shadow reduction.NO LONGER PLAYING ESO
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DEATHquidox✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »the arena's will lead to massive nerf to magicka sorc so i'm ok with that
this needs to happen regardless of pvp arane. unfortunately sorcs are the most OP class, tankier than a 7/7 HA DK tank and holds stupid amount of dps.
nerf the sorc - one step closer to pvp balance!
battleground yes. arena no. take pvp away from IC or take AP away from IC. shadow reduction.
I feel like the entire game needs a nerf. Nice 1 minute battles is what I like and when I can kill 3-4 people at once. That's what's fun about pvp sorc does need a nerf but so does every other class right now honestly stam sorcs need a huge buff still. Stam nb needs a nerf as well and so on its not just sorcs.0 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't get why people are against arenas and battlegrounds. If you don't like them, don't play them - they never killed any games.
In my opinion, they are a must have for any MMORPG. The time/money investment for their creation should be relatively small and they offer endless content to keep players entertained. Why wouldn't you want that for the game?
My only gripe would be if they tie it with the gear system. You shouldn't have to grind for gear just so you can have a quick 4v4 fight, it kinda defeats the purpose.
Actually arenas murdered pvp in swtor and wow. They are a literal cancer on any mmo. The people that even designed them called them a mistake and said they wish they never created them
I can understand people's aversion to arenas, but battlegrounds? They improved the PVP of any game they are in. People who were upset with arenas in SWTOR, were upset with the fact it ruined Warzones. Warzones were great before arena.
I'd say the same of WoW too, but that's because I never liked arenas, I much prefer actual objectives. Be that patrolling the upper levels to stop hutball runners or calling out incoming at AB.
I would love a 3 way battleground, with 20 a side, with one team holding the keep against the other 2, scoring points based on how far they press into the keep. Then switching sides. The two attacking sides would not just be focusing on the keep, they could mess with each other's attacks. It would be carnage, beautiful carnage.
Maybe people who are opposed need to be clear if they are opposed to both or just one of arenas and battlegrounds.0 -
C0wrex✭✭✭✭I don't get why people are against arenas and battlegrounds. If you don't like them, don't play them - they never killed any games.
In my opinion, they are a must have for any MMORPG. The time/money investment for their creation should be relatively small and they offer endless content to keep players entertained. Why wouldn't you want that for the game?
My only gripe would be if they tie it with the gear system. You shouldn't have to grind for gear just so you can have a quick 4v4 fight, it kinda defeats the purpose.
I agree
I think that it would be nice for ESO to give an option for players to join in Battlegrounds or Arenas 
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"We are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek and not to yield."
-Tennyson, Ulysses0 -
Function✭✭✭I agree, as someone who plays 99.9% PvE.. I really want arenas/battlegrounds. This is because I want to PvP but not in Cyrodil, I hate "large scale" AvA type zerg PvP.0
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭While I don't think for moment that the game needs saving, I would welcome the addition of arena and battleground PvP as it worries me that PvPers don't have enough to complain about at the moment
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The large majority of players are not pvp so a lot of effort to add expand arenas or battlegrounds that other games already have just seems counter intuitive from a business standpoint.
Imo.
Ymmv.
It's just as much a waste as trials yet they still do that. It may not be your play style, but it is what an awful lot of people like.
And that an awful lot more in this game dont.
Want to provide some official statistics to back up that? Oh you can't, you have no clue of percentages that PVP and that don't.
Don't provide opinion as fact, you look like an idiot.
So you can claim that an awful lot of people like something but someone else can't claim that more people don't like it? Both are simply expressing opinions, but only one backs it up by personal insult. Remind us again which one is the idiot?
Allot is not a claim of any set number. More is over 50%, when there are two options. One is far more of a wild statement than the other. I never claimed either side was greater then the other, he did.
Wow... so much heat.
My statement wasnt a claim of having any secret knowledge, nor does it need to be.
Remember, statistics is not the only valid methodology for reaching conclusions. It is not the only branch of mathematics.
I am certain none of the numerous commrntsvrife across the forums here from BOTH sides of the pvp pve spectrum would matter to you.
Nor will simple logic like IF PVP was the majority of players then we would not be seeing so much PVE effort OR Al pvp players have tp pve but pve pkayers dont have to pvp at all etc.
But since you are not claiming that my statement is wrong, it really doesnt matter whether you believe it or not.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »The large majority of players are not pvp so a lot of effort to add expand arenas or battlegrounds that other games already have just seems counter intuitive from a business standpoint.
Imo.
Ymmv.
It's just as much a waste as trials yet they still do that. It may not be your play style, but it is what an awful lot of people like.
And that an awful lot more in this game dont.
And what is your point?
There is enough pvp players that do.
So don't if you don't want to but why try to pee on those that do?
Uhhh.. how am i peeing on anyone again?
You urge the game to take one direction. I say go different.
Where did my pee get involved?
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.
Did you even read my post before responding? Sure seems like you didn't. I was pointing out that due to the sheer volume of forum posts about PVP compared to any other end game activity, that it must be something that's relevant to a lot of people (please note that the term "a lot" is neither a claim of more nor less than another number).
Are you somehow trying to dispute that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it. If PVP is not your bag, fine, but it is what a lot of other people enjoy. You have no right to say that dev time should not go to developing content many people will enjoy.0 -
themdogesbite✭✭✭✭✭
✭How could anyone imagine there's not a demand for this? There is plenty of dueling guilds on both megaservers filled with people that screams take my money for a arena / BG PvP. Believe it or not PvE carebears but there is actually people with different tastes then you, it takes a bit more then a shiny crown store pet to impress us.:]1 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Please implement small scale I'm begging
Has anyone that feels this way been to the IC Arena district in the past few months? On XBox, NA Scourge at least, the area between the EP and DC spawn points has already become a 24x7 small scale battle. It fluctuates between 5 on 5, 20 on 20 and 2 on 10 during the course of the day but it's basically Call of Duty Tamriel. You can do 5 kill 20 quests in an hour or two without a group.
And if you get bored go run over and mess with the duelers once an hour.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.
Did you even read my post before responding? Sure seems like you didn't. I was pointing out that due to the sheer volume of forum posts about PVP compared to any other end game activity, that it must be something that's relevant to a lot of people (please note that the term "a lot" is neither a claim of more nor less than another number).
Are you somehow trying to dispute that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it. If PVP is not your bag, fine, but it is what a lot of other people enjoy. You have no right to say that dev time should not go to developing content many people will enjoy.
Yes i read your post and found the argument you put forth to support your position fallacious.
Just as yours is now.
Number of posts does not necessarily mean anything other than one person, and one person is not a lot.
Matter of fact, the wsy you guts serm to want to have "a lot" not mean anthing specific but then use it to support allocation of resources is really perplexing.
but i do think i see the confusion.
In my world, i believe zos et al have a limited development staff and cannot do everything all the time. So, i know when i recommend they develop x, i am also telling them to not do y or do less z.
I know when you say implement battlegrounds or arenas or open world pvp or whatever you are saying "and do less pve solo" or "do less new questlines.
One person says bake more pies. Another says no, bake more cakes. The latter did not attack the former, just expressed different preferences in a response.
But really, you should not be getting so worked up about me. Simpke fsct is, if i am in the minority, i am sure all sorts of pvp goodies are just gonna keep rolling out like they have been.
Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.
Did you even read my post before responding? Sure seems like you didn't. I was pointing out that due to the sheer volume of forum posts about PVP compared to any other end game activity, that it must be something that's relevant to a lot of people (please note that the term "a lot" is neither a claim of more nor less than another number).
Are you somehow trying to dispute that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it. If PVP is not your bag, fine, but it is what a lot of other people enjoy. You have no right to say that dev time should not go to developing content many people will enjoy.
Yes i read your post and found the argument you put forth to support your position fallacious.
Just as yours is now.
Number of posts does not necessarily mean anything other than one person, and one person is not a lot.
Matter of fact, the wsy you guts serm to want to have "a lot" not mean anthing specific but then use it to support allocation of resources is really perplexing.
but i do think i see the confusion.
In my world, i believe zos et al have a limited development staff and cannot do everything all the time. So, i know when i recommend they develop x, i am also telling them to not do y or do less z.
I know when you say implement battlegrounds or arenas or open world pvp or whatever you are saying "and do less pve solo" or "do less new questlines.
One person says bake more pies. Another says no, bake more cakes. The latter did not attack the former, just expressed different preferences in a response.
But really, you should not be getting so worked up about me. Simpke fsct is, if i am in the minority, i am sure all sorts of pvp goodies are just gonna keep rolling out like they have been.
Indeed, ZOS know how many PVP, so it's up to them. They are being developed, as confirmed by ZOS this weekend.
No point arguing anymore. There is clearly an audience for it.Edited by Guppet on April 25, 2016 3:02PM0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.
Did you even read my post before responding? Sure seems like you didn't. I was pointing out that due to the sheer volume of forum posts about PVP compared to any other end game activity, that it must be something that's relevant to a lot of people (please note that the term "a lot" is neither a claim of more nor less than another number).
Are you somehow trying to dispute that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it. If PVP is not your bag, fine, but it is what a lot of other people enjoy. You have no right to say that dev time should not go to developing content many people will enjoy.
Yes i read your post and found the argument you put forth to support your position fallacious.
Just as yours is now.
Number of posts does not necessarily mean anything other than one person, and one person is not a lot.
Matter of fact, the wsy you guts serm to want to have "a lot" not mean anthing specific but then use it to support allocation of resources is really perplexing.
but i do think i see the confusion.
In my world, i believe zos et al have a limited development staff and cannot do everything all the time. So, i know when i recommend they develop x, i am also telling them to not do y or do less z.
I know when you say implement battlegrounds or arenas or open world pvp or whatever you are saying "and do less pve solo" or "do less new questlines.
One person says bake more pies. Another says no, bake more cakes. The latter did not attack the former, just expressed different preferences in a response.
But really, you should not be getting so worked up about me. Simpke fsct is, if i am in the minority, i am sure all sorts of pvp goodies are just gonna keep rolling out like they have been.
Indeed, ZOS know how many PVP, so it's up to them. They are being developed, as confirmed by ZOS this weekend.
No point arguing anymore. There is clearly an audience for it.
Yes and thanks for the pleasant snd courteous discussion i have come to expect from pvpers.
Have a great week.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »The large majority of players are not pvp so a lot of effort to add expand arenas or battlegrounds that other games already have just seems counter intuitive from a business standpoint.
Imo.
Ymmv.
It's just as much a waste as trials yet they still do that. It may not be your play style, but it is what an awful lot of people like.
And that an awful lot more in this game dont.
And what is your point?
There is enough pvp players that do.
So don't if you don't want to but why try to pee on those that do?
Uhhh.. how am i peeing on anyone again?
You urge the game to take one direction. I say go different.
Where did my pee get involved?
Point is there is no reason it can't go both directions and will have to for longevity.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.
Did you even read my post before responding? Sure seems like you didn't. I was pointing out that due to the sheer volume of forum posts about PVP compared to any other end game activity, that it must be something that's relevant to a lot of people (please note that the term "a lot" is neither a claim of more nor less than another number).
Are you somehow trying to dispute that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it. If PVP is not your bag, fine, but it is what a lot of other people enjoy. You have no right to say that dev time should not go to developing content many people will enjoy.
What it shows is that a high proportion of PvEers are happy with the PvE, while a high proportion of PvPers are unhappy with the PvP. That's probably the only conclusion you can draw from looking at the various threads on these forums.
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PURPLE245✭✭✭i just want a change to pvp i dont care what it is at long as it works no lag no raids chasing down one guy just a normal balanced team based gamemode↓♛The Fam♛↓¯\_(ツ)_/¯AD/High Elf-NB=Chip-D-I-P-SAD/High Elf-Sorc=Why PlayAD/High Elf-Templar=Star BucksAD/High Elf-DK=D-I-P-SDC/Orc-DK=Super NubAD/Wood Elf-Templar=L M A OAD/Wood Elf-NB=ßoßAD/Wood Elf-sorc=TarzanEP/Argonian-dk=Swimming Like A SharkPC☜═㋡630+cp ㋡═☞EUUser ID=@PURPLE970 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭No one knows the numbers that PVP compared to those that don't, only ZOS. But there is one thing we can all easily see and it can't be disputed. There are 1,900 posts about adventure zones and group dungeons, but 11,000 about PVP.
So anyone not thinking PVP is a big thing in this game, your wrong, very, very wrong.
So you are arguing that ratio of forum posts somehow equates to in game engagement?
So by this logic, if there are fewer posts about mounts than pvp is pvp use more widedpread than riding?
Sorry, but doesnt pass the smell trst.
Did you even read my post before responding? Sure seems like you didn't. I was pointing out that due to the sheer volume of forum posts about PVP compared to any other end game activity, that it must be something that's relevant to a lot of people (please note that the term "a lot" is neither a claim of more nor less than another number).
Are you somehow trying to dispute that? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it. If PVP is not your bag, fine, but it is what a lot of other people enjoy. You have no right to say that dev time should not go to developing content many people will enjoy.
What it shows is that a high proportion of PvEers are happy with the PvE, while a high proportion of PvPers are unhappy with the PvP. That's probably the only conclusion you can draw from looking at the various threads on these forums.
You can also conclude that PVP matters to some people. Which was my point, doesn't matter if they are happy or unhappy, they are taking the time to post about it.
Would be nice if they were happy though, but since most feedback is always negative, they are probably not.
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PURPLE245✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »They are currently being worked on officially.
Why you would implement a failed gametype that ruined multiple mmos is one of the biggest blunders in the history of this game. Battleground 8 v 8s with objectives would be fine, but arenas, ugh....unless the trinity is STRICTLY enforced, are just going to be an absolute catastrophe, just like every other mmo that tried it.
They listen to twitch streamers too much thats why. They were for sure IC would please the pvp community it didnt. Battlegrounds and arenas will be no different. They will complain about how they implement them. Complain about every aspect. Yet ZOS continues to spend millions of development dollars trying to please them. I will never understand this about ZOS.
if they listen to streamer then where are the bg and arenas? its been like 2 years.....what happen to aoe caps?where is the dynamic ult ? why is magic dk still bad? why are stam sorc still bad? why are sorc shields not normal yet? ect ect.....................↓♛The Fam♛↓¯\_(ツ)_/¯AD/High Elf-NB=Chip-D-I-P-SAD/High Elf-Sorc=Why PlayAD/High Elf-Templar=Star BucksAD/High Elf-DK=D-I-P-SDC/Orc-DK=Super NubAD/Wood Elf-Templar=L M A OAD/Wood Elf-NB=ßoßAD/Wood Elf-sorc=TarzanEP/Argonian-dk=Swimming Like A SharkPC☜═㋡630+cp ㋡═☞EUUser ID=@PURPLE970 -
Orgrimar✭✭✭There needs to be more playability besides doing the same old dungeons over and over and the same quest cookie cutter model talk to this guy talk to that guy. Add something like small scale pvp would literally give something to do no matter what and would really get competitive and exciting
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know about "saving the game", but an ARENA has needed to be in game (dueling, etc.) for a looong time now.
The arena should have a variety of options weapon types, adds, no CP, leveling, etc... Anyone dueling would get a prompt to agree to begin.
The community could be in the stands watching and wagering on battles (1v1 duels, team duels, vs PVE battles, etc.).0