Next DLC looks disappointing for PvP - Cancel your ESO plus and don't buy it

Paraflex

The new DLC looks to be missing out on key improvements and new content like Duels,Arena, and Battlegrounds. I don't think ZOS gets there is a big population of people wanting to see this happen sooner than later. Vote with your dollars and when they release the DLC don't buy it. I don't enjoy new motifs and crappy PvE content maybe they will actually develop better PvP content. I love this game and they have a hard job but listen to your customers. I won't pay for another ESO month or Crown Store item until they show some real commitment to PvP. If even 10 percent of the ESO population does this they should get the picture on the next quarterly report. Join together on this and we could see some real progress.

Xsorus

What if ya don't care about Arena/Battlegrounds or Same Faction Dueling (though that would be nice)?

Zheg

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

AriBoh

Subs should be cancelled for the current mess of the game not something we know nothing about.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Zheg is right, most PvPers have already dropped their subs, so why would Zeni even bother to waste time or $ on an unproffitable area of the game. They are updating IC with PvP goals with DB DLC, so be happy with that. There are no PvP DLCs on the horizen, so I wouldn't expect any PvP DLC for at least a year if ever. You're more likely to see a PvE version of Cryodiil before any meaningful PvP content.

Minno

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

Sallington

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

And mine the instant my sound went out for the first time after TG dropped.

JamilaRaj

Hah. One Wheeler's post about incoming fix and you all will resub. Or the post and a recoloured cat.

ToRelax

Uhm, both Thieves Guild and from what I saw so far also Dark Brotherhood aren't making the game worse than it is. They fail to address core problems, but it's way better than the mess that were 1.6 and 2.1. Then again, I haven't paid for this game in a year, too...

mchermie

ToRelax wrote: »

it's way better than the mess that were 1.6 and 2.1

1.6 was way better than anything that came after

emily3989

By the time DB comes out, I will have no choice but to purchase the DLC simply for something new to do.

(Stopped subbing prior to TG - to me, when a 3 month DLC costs about the same as 1 mo sub a la cart, well, don't see the point in subbing).

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Honestly I wouldnt expect another PVP DLC like IC ever. If you guys are waiting for that you probably will be waiting a LONG time. Like forever. Arenas and/or battlegrounds maybe but nothing on the scale of IC.

Xsorus

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

I know its sad..but i won't cancel now simply cause the Crafting Bag...

If I'm going to play this game at all...I want that damn bag...

driosketch

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

I cancelled mine when they went B2P because it was the cheapest option to continue playing the game long term.

Honestly not even sure why people still bring the status of their sub up.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

@Xsorus I'd bet they'll sell crafting bags in the crown store for those who aren't subbed, but at what price is the question.

mcurley

Interesting. TG greatly improved my PvP experience... and I can't wait for vet ranks to go away. I also want the structured PvP experience that you referenced but I don't want them rushing it out.

I'll keep my subscription. I play about 40-60 hours a month... that's $0.375-$0.25 per hour for entertainment. Even the poorest players out there can afford that. Development dollars lead to more (and higher quality) content.

Or just keep huffing, puffing, and stomping your feet until you get what you want.

Minno

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

I cancelled mine when they went B2P because it was the cheapest option to continue playing the game long term.

Honestly not even sure why people still bring the status of their sub up.

Status between players in a show of solidarity. It means we would like to resub, but current issues force our only reactive action as consumers.

Joy_Division

So, yeah, no patch notes released, nothing specific has been commented on it's features, and it hasn't even hit the PTS ...

driosketch

Minno wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

I cancelled mine when they went B2P because it was the cheapest option to continue playing the game long term.

Honestly not even sure why people still bring the status of their sub up.

Status between players in a show of solidarity. It means we would like to resub, but current issues force our only reactive action as consumers.

Yeah, I don't think they even send you a questioner when you unsub. How would they even know the exact reasons?

emily3989

I thought there was some dropdown menu of reasons when I unsubbed, but cannot remember exactly.

Zheg

mcurley wrote: »

Interesting. TG greatly improved my PvP experience... and I can't wait for vet ranks to go away. I also want the structured PvP experience that you referenced but I don't want them rushing it out.

I'll keep my subscription. I play about 40-60 hours a month... that's $0.375-$0.25 per hour for entertainment. Even the poorest players out there can afford that. Development dollars lead to more (and higher quality) content.

Or just keep huffing, puffing, and stomping your feet until you get what you want.

I can't really think of anyone that I know who has unsubbed that did so because of the money. In fact, I'd say pvpers have a stronger incentive to be drawn to a sub game because they care more about quality gameplay and maintenance over a few dozen quests every few weeks. I kept my sub for so long because I'd 'like' to support the game, but cancelled it because I became convinced the crew managing the game cannot do so in a way that makes me want to continue supporting them. I've promised myself to never give ZOS money until I see changes in how they manage the game, and I will commit to that for DB and beyond. It's not the money, I'm doing just fine.

The 'huffing, puffing, and stomping my feet' was to make it clear to ZOS they were doing many many things wrong. When that failed and it was clear I was not the only one that felt that way, the last reproach is to stop funding them, simple as that. It won't work, because their financial model doesn't depend on pvpers, but at least I don't have to be angry with myself for contributing to their paycheck.

mchermie

mcurley wrote: »

Development dollars lead to more (and higher quality) content

This is not true for pvp, at all. The more I pay, the more they ruin the game. Its amusing that they keep implementing bugs and broken things into this game, and simply having no idea of what they are doing. The worst thing is that they still dont listen to the players who actually knows this game (which zos clearly dont)

Minno

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

I cancelled mine when they went B2P because it was the cheapest option to continue playing the game long term.

Honestly not even sure why people still bring the status of their sub up.

Status between players in a show of solidarity. It means we would like to resub, but current issues force our only reactive action as consumers.

Yeah, I don't think they even send you a questioner when you unsub. How would they even know the exact reasons?

A sub cancel after a certain patch or after certain issues is a form of communication. Someone's paying attention to those numbers just like how they pay attention to how many bears were purchased post Orsinium.

driosketch

Minno wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

I cancelled mine when they went B2P because it was the cheapest option to continue playing the game long term.

Honestly not even sure why people still bring the status of their sub up.

Status between players in a show of solidarity. It means we would like to resub, but current issues force our only reactive action as consumers.

Yeah, I don't think they even send you a questioner when you unsub. How would they even know the exact reasons?

A sub cancel after a certain patch or after certain issues is a form of communication. Someone's paying attention to those numbers just like how they pay attention to how many bears were purchased post Orsinium.

If a significant amount do so, and only if it happens all at once and not spread out because some wait till the sub is about to end to discontinue it. It sounds a reasonable assumption on the surface, but without the hard data to back it up, it follows logically as much as using the phases of the moon as an indicator. And still doesn't tell you if the quality of the DLC, bugs, or which skill rebalance was the leading factor.

chaserstorm16909

Sallington wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

And mine the instant my sound went out for the first time after TG dropped.

And mine the instant they cancelled the pvp justice system.

ToRelax

mchermie wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

it's way better than the mess that were 1.6 and 2.1

1.6 was way better than anything that came after

If you mean that version of the game, I agree. But the update certainly wasn't better for the PvP than for example Orsinium (which changed almost nothing, meaning imo 1.6 was bad for the game). And in that light I see TG and DB, maybe they help a bit, maybe they don't, but they won't make the game much worse.

Satiar

The only reason I'm still subbed is I'm too lazy to actually go to the page and in sub.

Thinking of paying someone to do it for me.

Minno

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

My sub was cancelled when TG dropped because not only was there nothing for pvp, they actually made it significantly worse with their drunken experiments on balance.

In reality, getting every pvper to drop their subs is probably minuscule in comparison to the main sources of money. Recolor a cat or bear mount and sell em, who cares about subs when people are dropping money on that crap.

Mine was cancelled due to performance issues and obvious focus on pve content.

I cancelled mine when they went B2P because it was the cheapest option to continue playing the game long term.

Honestly not even sure why people still bring the status of their sub up.

Status between players in a show of solidarity. It means we would like to resub, but current issues force our only reactive action as consumers.

Yeah, I don't think they even send you a questioner when you unsub. How would they even know the exact reasons?

A sub cancel after a certain patch or after certain issues is a form of communication. Someone's paying attention to those numbers just like how they pay attention to how many bears were purchased post Orsinium.

If a significant amount do so, and only if it happens all at once and not spread out because some wait till the sub is about to end to discontinue it. It sounds a reasonable assumption on the surface, but without the hard data to back it up, it follows logically as much as using the phases of the moon as an indicator. And still doesn't tell you if the quality of the DLC, bugs, or which skill rebalance was the leading factor.

Reason why I originally said "in solidarity".

QuebraRegra

definitely needed to be arena content...

Skyy

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Honestly I wouldnt expect another PVP DLC like IC ever. If you guys are waiting for that you probably will be waiting a LONG time. Like forever. Arenas and/or battlegrounds maybe but nothing on the scale of IC.

I think you missed the PVP part. People want a pvp dlc, not a pve one with some minor pvp enabled.

RinaldoGandolphi

I canceled mine because they keep making the game worse with every update. I dunno how that's even possible but they do it.

Instead of fixing performance they will just shift the lag to IC. Everyone knows that place will be full of zergs just like it was when it launched. If there is AP zergs will be there. Any chance of real non Zerg pvp was killed when they canceled the justice system because role players wouldn't be able to steal or myrder without consequence.

Mark my words DB will be a buggier disaster then TG was. They don't really fix anything on the PTS, but as @Fengrush would say they keep promising us....it's not a silver bullet but it might help