Cash Shop and Greed

Mordeth_Kai

I finally decided to start playing ESO again, this time abandoning all illusions of 'Skyrim the MMO' and this time just in the mood for a good online game. But one thing keeps killing the fun, inventory management. Since I would like to do crafting I have been gathering while I play and with only one character over 30 I have 3 mules dedicated to holding crafting materials. While playing I usually get about 45 to 90 minutes of play before my bank of 120 slots goes from 4 filled slots to completely full, making regular trips to dump crafting supplies and equipment to be disassembled. But what's this? I can buy an assistant that will let me put items in the bank no matter where I am for the low low price of about $50 USD? And another assistant that will let me sell no matter where I am for the same low low price? And instead of saving about 750,000 gold to max the bank, or over 30k for a slot where I'm at, I can buy 10 slots for $10 per set? Well that’s why inventory is a constant pain in the ass and there is no separate storage for crafting materials. It also explains why you cant buy character slots because purchasing a new slot for a mule that holds 60 items is a much better deal than buying bank slots, pack upgrades, and horse upgrades in the cash shop.

Let me make one thing clear, I will not accuse ESO of being P2W, because it is not. What I am saying is that they inconvenience the players as much as they can to frustrate people enough to pay ridiculous amounts of money in the cash shop. If the game was F2P, I would expect such shenanigans but I paid $60 for the game only to be made miserable as if it were F2P. The game also has an optional subscription system on top of the ridiculous cash shop, so even if we ignored the buy to play aspect, its still not F2P.

Now I'm not against people trying to make money, but I am against people trying to milk me for every last penny, and the major problem is an issue of trust, I constantly feel like they are trying to scam me. I would have bought all the expansions, but it only takes 20 hrs of play and a look through the Crown Store to make me not want to spend a dime on even reasonable things. The worst part is I want to enjoy the game but having this constant reminder when I look at the fact that its better to make new gear or play with broken gear than to shell out ridiculous sums for repair costs and remember 'oh yeah, I can get 10 ultimate repair kits for the low low price of $10 USD!' (before anyone says 'it’s a gold sinc, its necessary', if people go to these lengths to avoid paying the fee, its an epic failure for a gold sinc, prices might make sense for highest tier equipment though, but not for whites and greens) or other little things that are obviously imbalanced in such a way to kill the fun but avoided if you pay up. Selling conveniences is a small offense until you realize the game is balanced to heard players into buying them, turning conveniences into near necessities.

I'm not accusing Zenimax of P2W, I'm accusing them of unadulterated greed, of using the same cheap mechanics of a good F2P game to milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't.

wayfarerx

A few points:

• Inventory management was just as much of a pain back when the game was subscription only, actually it was worse because we had even less space available then compared to now.
• You don't have to spend real money to upgrade bag and bank space, repair your gear or walk to the bank. I've not spent real money on any of these things in the more then two years I've played.
• We are getting extra character slots and crafting bags in the next update. Yes, they will cost real money or require a sub, that's the reality of a buy-to-play MMO.

None of the points you made really seem like "greed" to me. I agree that the banker and merchant are overpriced and for that reason I didn't buy them even though I have 10k+ crowns on my account. To me "greed" would be RNG lockboxes for BiS gear in the crown store, not overpriced and entirely optional assistants.

Solid_Metal

"making their play experience miserable if they don't.", eh i never experience that really, and upgrading bank is not a real issue since i got money from selling mats and motif on the guild store and i also a crafter, so my bank filled with mats

i honestly cant pinpoint what are you complaining about,

as for the banker and merchant assistant, i personally couldnt care less why?, because the banker only give you access to your bank storage but NOT your guild store, and also how many item that you really want to sell to the merchant?, just couple of junk hide, bait etc, and they not much sell much either, theres almost no different to just throw them away, i prefer to dismantle weapon/armor drop rather than sell them

GrumpStump

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

I finally decided to start playing ESO again, this time abandoning all illusions of 'Skyrim the MMO' and this time just in the mood for a good online game. But one thing keeps killing the fun, inventory management. Since I would like to do crafting I have been gathering while I play and with only one character over 30 I have 3 mules dedicated to holding crafting materials. While playing I usually get about 45 to 90 minutes of play before my bank of 120 slots goes from 4 filled slots to completely full, making regular trips to dump crafting supplies and equipment to be disassembled. But what's this? I can buy an assistant that will let me put items in the bank no matter where I am for the low low price of about $50 USD? And another assistant that will let me sell no matter where I am for the same low low price? And instead of saving about 750,000 gold to max the bank, or over 30k for a slot where I'm at, I can buy 10 slots for $10 per set? Well that’s why inventory is a constant pain in the ass and there is no separate storage for crafting materials. It also explains why you cant buy character slots because purchasing a new slot for a mule that holds 60 items is a much better deal than buying bank slots, pack upgrades, and horse upgrades in the cash shop.

Let me make one thing clear, I will not accuse ESO of being P2W, because it is not. What I am saying is that they inconvenience the players as much as they can to frustrate people enough to pay ridiculous amounts of money in the cash shop. If the game was F2P, I would expect such shenanigans but I paid $60 for the game only to be made miserable as if it were F2P. The game also has an optional subscription system on top of the ridiculous cash shop, so even if we ignored the buy to play aspect, its still not F2P.

Now I'm not against people trying to make money, but I am against people trying to milk me for every last penny, and the major problem is an issue of trust, I constantly feel like they are trying to scam me. I would have bought all the expansions, but it only takes 20 hrs of play and a look through the Crown Store to make me not want to spend a dime on even reasonable things. The worst part is I want to enjoy the game but having this constant reminder when I look at the fact that its better to make new gear or play with broken gear than to shell out ridiculous sums for repair costs and remember 'oh yeah, I can get 10 ultimate repair kits for the low low price of $10 USD!' (before anyone says 'it’s a gold sinc, its necessary', if people go to these lengths to avoid paying the fee, its an epic failure for a gold sinc, prices might make sense for highest tier equipment though, but not for whites and greens) or other little things that are obviously imbalanced in such a way to kill the fun but avoided if you pay up. Selling conveniences is a small offense until you realize the game is balanced to heard players into buying them, turning conveniences into near necessities.

I'm not accusing Zenimax of P2W, I'm accusing them of unadulterated greed, of using the same cheap mechanics of a good F2P game to milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't.

/YAWN.....this crap again? Very tiresome.


GrumpStump

Svalinn

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't.

This is what i call "milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't":

- locking 1:1 trade, locking team storage, locking dungeon runs to 2 per day on your full account, reduced movement speed UNLESS you pay 18 dollars a month... this is an actual "marketing model" of another MMO.

OR

- locking 90% of the costumes in CS, putting P2W stuff in the CS at an overpriced cost.. this comprehends pets... both forcing you to have a real miserable experience since you'll either look like a lvl 1 troughout the game OR have a clear disadvantage during PvP in a PvP based game thanks to the CS items... UNLESS you pay for the stuff... in an already B2P game.. this one is BDO.

OR

- locking every form of currency drop from kills unless you buy a subscription: this is Blade and Soul.

This is what i DON'T call "Milk their players for more money by making theri play experience miserable if they don't":

- creating a CS full of ONLY COSMETIC OR OPTIONAL STUFF while everything else can be easely obtained in game.. like the so much "miserable" inventory and bank space, giving players the chance of dropping inside the game ALL the different styles even if it takes time, giving the player the chance of having, without spending a real cent on them if not the cost of the game: mounts, pets, costumes.... this is ESO.

My suggestion: go and play some other MMO.. so that when you'll come back to ESO running you'll be praising the gods we have such a fair model

Acrolas

Solid_Metal wrote: »

i honestly cant pinpoint what are you complaining about,

He's blaming ZOS for some of his very casual first world problems.

vyrusb23

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

I finally decided to start playing ESO again, this time abandoning all illusions of 'Skyrim the MMO' and this time just in the mood for a good online game. But one thing keeps killing the fun, inventory management. Since I would like to do crafting I have been gathering while I play and with only one character over 30 I have 3 mules dedicated to holding crafting materials. While playing I usually get about 45 to 90 minutes of play before my bank of 120 slots goes from 4 filled slots to completely full, making regular trips to dump crafting supplies and equipment to be disassembled. But what's this? I can buy an assistant that will let me put items in the bank no matter where I am for the low low price of about $50 USD? And another assistant that will let me sell no matter where I am for the same low low price? And instead of saving about 750,000 gold to max the bank, or over 30k for a slot where I'm at, I can buy 10 slots for $10 per set? Well that’s why inventory is a constant pain in the ass and there is no separate storage for crafting materials. It also explains why you cant buy character slots because purchasing a new slot for a mule that holds 60 items is a much better deal than buying bank slots, pack upgrades, and horse upgrades in the cash shop.

Let me make one thing clear, I will not accuse ESO of being P2W, because it is not. What I am saying is that they inconvenience the players as much as they can to frustrate people enough to pay ridiculous amounts of money in the cash shop. If the game was F2P, I would expect such shenanigans but I paid $60 for the game only to be made miserable as if it were F2P. The game also has an optional subscription system on top of the ridiculous cash shop, so even if we ignored the buy to play aspect, its still not F2P.

Now I'm not against people trying to make money, but I am against people trying to milk me for every last penny, and the major problem is an issue of trust, I constantly feel like they are trying to scam me. I would have bought all the expansions, but it only takes 20 hrs of play and a look through the Crown Store to make me not want to spend a dime on even reasonable things. The worst part is I want to enjoy the game but having this constant reminder when I look at the fact that its better to make new gear or play with broken gear than to shell out ridiculous sums for repair costs and remember 'oh yeah, I can get 10 ultimate repair kits for the low low price of $10 USD!' (before anyone says 'it’s a gold sinc, its necessary', if people go to these lengths to avoid paying the fee, its an epic failure for a gold sinc, prices might make sense for highest tier equipment though, but not for whites and greens) or other little things that are obviously imbalanced in such a way to kill the fun but avoided if you pay up. Selling conveniences is a small offense until you realize the game is balanced to heard players into buying them, turning conveniences into near necessities.

I'm not accusing Zenimax of P2W, I'm accusing them of unadulterated greed, of using the same cheap mechanics of a good F2P game to milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't.

This? Again?

You couldn't have posted this in one of the other "greed" threads? You just had to make your own?

Eshelmen

You've got so much stuff to do with just the base copy of this game. And crowns are an issue?
Lol
Keep playing.

Waseem

the price of DLCs is ridiculously high if u look at them for their life-time giving.(4-5 skill pts, dungs,trials,dailies)
2500 crowns for 2 dungeons? IC DLC should cost 400 crowns because its dead, useless and more useless.
3000 crowns for a solo trial? i agree that Orsinium should cost the most, but it still high with the solo RNG grind. thats more annoying than grinding with friends by a far margin, there are dailies, lots of delves and so far
2000 crowns for a 12 man trial? such approach is the most greedy in an MMO. its a trial for TWELVE
that shall be given without DLC requirements.. all 12 people trials shall be given for free.
and dont tell me ZOS will end up receiving canned food donations for releasing a trial outside DLCs. its an activity of 12 people who purchased the game and just how many people returned to ESO for the sake of trial they didnt enjoy in first place? or in fact. how many people did not get the TG DLC or return to ESO because its a DLC only trial?
oh and yes, our most beloved RNG and BoP are also included in DLCs barriers
last lines:
ZOS charging too much money for DLCs.
Trials of 12 people shall never ever be trapped with the DLC barrier
BoP combined with the DLC barrier? the greed is obvious
for those who thinks that ZOS is OK for charging such ammount of money and fix the game properly in return, did you enter Cyrodiil?

Volkodav

Ya know,I really dont care about "cash shop and greed". I mean,if you arent into it,just ignore it. They dont tell you that you must buy anything.So why get all in an uproar over it all?
Not being snarky,just dont understand this.I mean,it has bothing to do with gameplay. So no harm, no foul.Let them make money all the want to,..off someone else then.

L2Pissue

ESO is becoming less and less welcoming for new players mostly.
Old players may understand that a company has to be make some money here and there to persist and continue, which may blind them from the fact that its costing too much overall.

here are some examples about varity of players.
1)a player buys ESO, 50$ - he likes PvE
2) he want to make his character as good as possible
while playing with friends he already made, "Any Race, Any Alliance" 2100 crowns ~ 15$ with the 500 crowns u get with the game
3)some months later. he could use a vMA weapon, Briarheart, Alkosh or Kena set pieces.
he cant get 130K score in AA out of thin air, and again, he isnt perfectly geared and must get whopping 3 DLCs. 5000/7500 crowns. 50/75 $ for him to get on the catch.
basically, a new player who wants to play ESO for endgame PvE will find himself paying 120-150$ on a span of 4-5 months. not very welcoming if you ask me.

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a player buys ESO, 50$, he likes wide range PvE (questing mainly)
he enjoy every aspect of it for a year+ , by then the price of all DLCs combined will not be found suited for him in compensation to what he recieves. (he quested a year for 50$, now 20$ for 20 hours?) that becomes less attractive and might go find other game or hang to couple DLCs for a short ammount of time before he do so

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a player buy ESO, 50$ , he likes Role Playing
he buys many costumes, barely do any PvE or PvP so he got nothing to complain about
just having fun with friends (tbh i envy those people, make friends and enjoy, no RNG or BoP to complain about and least stress while drinking Skooma)
he stay and may not find money a barrier in his case
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on all stages above players may find themselves in need of a bank upgrade, mount over variety of characters, xp scrolls and such which they are ridiculously overpriced in crown store
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a player buys ESO, 50$ ... he likes PvP
1) he level his character to level 10
2) he collects some skyshards
3) he kill some few mobs to get a level 8-10 set
4) he enter Cyrodiil
5) he quits on a lifespan of 10 hours in-game and go somewhere advertise his account for sale cursing the moment he bought ESO.

Sausage

You obviously havent seen greedy devs, Zen has been very generous about it to us.

TheShadowScout

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

I'm not accusing Zenimax of P2W, I'm accusing them of unadulterated greed, of using the same cheap mechanics of a good F2P game to milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't.

I would accuse you of... something I probably should not spell out here on the forums, because it would be insulting.

I have never ever paid for any of the "convinience items" on the crown store, and I don't intend to ever. I maxed my bank the old fashined way - by playing the game, earning the gold. I had fun while doing it. I rain my riding the same way, slow and steady, for gold and in game. I earn my motivs the same way, very slowly, and through luck (when I find them) and effort (when I get the gold to buy them from a guild store). I am having fun doing that as well. I make frequent trips back to homebase to sell off crap, and often enough have to throw away some white stuff to make room for something better I found. Still having fun. I never had more repair costs then I earned through questing and other stuff yet, and I haven't needed any repair kits either (of course, I seldom run dungeons... if I went for one, I might have to stock up on some of those). Still fun.

The play experience is fine without the crown store stuff. Really. All it takes is the patience to put in the effort, that's it.

The way I see it, all those crown store convinience items are for milking those impatient fools who want to sit around and yet still get all the goodies -right now- instead of going out and earning them. And you know what they say about fools and their money, right? I for one approve of that sort of thing - if they don't want to play, make them PAY...

Wreuntzylla

I have 99 problems with ESO but inventory is not one of them.

Khamira

Of course you are using addons managing your inventory, yes?

You know, you open the bank, you look through the window, you close the bank.

Same on your 5 inventory mules.

Tadam! Everything is sorted, in their place, and junk is automaticaly detected and junked to be sold to vendor when you manage to find him and open him for a second.

Then, even stealing things you wont even hit cap of your 200 character slots.

I never thought this would be a problem...

CaptainBeerDude

L2Pissue wrote: »

ESO is becoming less and less welcoming for new players mostly.
Old players may understand that a company has to be make some money here and there to persist and continue, which may blind them from the fact that its costing too much overall.

here are some examples about varity of players.
1)a player buys ESO, 50$ - he likes PvE
2) he want to make his character as good as possible
while playing with friends he already made, "Any Race, Any Alliance" 2100 crowns ~ 15$ with the 500 crowns u get with the game
3)some months later. he could use a vMA weapon, Briarheart, Alkosh or Kena set pieces.
he cant get 130K score in AA out of thin air, and again, he isnt perfectly geared and must get whopping 3 DLCs. 5000/7500 crowns. 50/75 $ for him to get on the catch.
basically, a new player who wants to play ESO for endgame PvE will find himself paying 120-150$ on a span of 4-5 months. not very welcoming if you ask me.

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a player buys ESO, 50$, he likes wide range PvE (questing mainly)
he enjoy every aspect of it for a year+ , by then the price of all DLCs combined will not be found suited for him in compensation to what he recieves. (he quested a year for 50$, now 20$ for 20 hours?) that becomes less attractive and might go find other game or hang to couple DLCs for a short ammount of time before he do so

---

a player buy ESO, 50$ , he likes Role Playing
he buys many costumes, barely do any PvE or PvP so he got nothing to complain about
just having fun with friends (tbh i envy those people, make friends and enjoy, no RNG or BoP to complain about and least stress while drinking Skooma)
he stay and may not find money a barrier in his case
*****************
on all stages above players may find themselves in need of a bank upgrade, mount over variety of characters, xp scrolls and such which they are ridiculously overpriced in crown store
*****************

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a player buys ESO, 50$ ... he likes PvP
1) he level his character to level 10
2) he collects some skyshards
3) he kill some few mobs to get a level 8-10 set
4) he enter Cyrodiil
5) he quits on a lifespan of 10 hours in-game and go somewhere advertise his account for sale cursing the moment he bought ESO.

Are you saying that these new players couldn't join a guild? In any decent guild, someone will have a crafter and make you stuff. Maybe they will charge. It might not be the absolute best, but it will be good enough.
If you are new to a game, would you expect to have BiS items straight away?
When you join a new game, do you expect them to give you all DLC because you purchased a (probably) discounted title?
If you join a new PvP game, would you expect to 1vX immediately?
Also, who didn't get the any race/alliance or imperial package when they purchased the game? These optional extras are always cheaper when you get them in a package deal. Or maybe I don't understand the struggle because I'm a console peasant.

Magdalina

Actually maxing out inventory and getting ambrosia rather than xp scroll is fairly easy as you level up. I mean those prices scared the hell out of me at low levels as well but even permanently broke me got enough for upgrades eventually lol.
Horse training is a bit of a pain but then it just takes some time. I have 3(or is it 4?) horses with maxed out speed, generally good enough for me.

The sad part is you're probably onto something but not even so much with the things you mentioned because stuff like xp scrolls and bag upgrades and assistants in Crown Store is just copouts for lazy yet rich people(no offence intended and generally a bit exaggerating but that's more or less what it is). Now stuff like Glass motif - one of coolest and most anticipated motifs ingame split into fragments of chapters, obtainable via limited number of daily writs with some not-so-high chance(my usual droprate was about 1 fragment in 10 writs or so) just to be placed in Crown Store suspiciously soon after its release...
And the inventory management that IS becoming a problem even with maxed out bank and bag if, gods forbid, you're a master crafter and don't like storing 100500 rare BOP gear on mules...and the coming intrpoduction of crafting bags which seem like they'd 100% solve the problem - for those willing to pay for it. Everyone else can keep struggling with ever increasing number of things in our bags(moar motifs=more mats, moar BoP sets) for free. I bet they aren't releasing another bank/bag upgrade for gold anytime soon.

Gargath

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

I'm not accusing Zenimax of P2W, I'm accusing them of unadulterated greed, of using the same cheap mechanics of a good F2P game to milk their players for more money by making their play experience miserable if they don't.

Welcome to the club

CherryCake

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Digiman

I expected to be able to buy things from my merchant assistant like a regular merchant and repair. But that wasn't the case.

It's nice to be able to remove my crap without throwing it away, but the price was a huge cash grab.

Fortunately I don'tmind spending my extra cash on this game and supporting it. It's one of two MMO's I constantly support.

ADarklore

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

I finally decided to start playing ESO again, this time abandoning all illusions of 'Skyrim the MMO' and this time just in the mood for a good online game.

The problem is right there in your first sentence... because A ) it seems like you still are expecting "Skyrim 2.0" from ESO... B ) you've clearly not played another MMO because there are others out there that are much, MUCH worse at costly marketplace items... C ) you don't comprehend the cost of what it takes to create, maintain and continually develop and on-going MMO.

Keep in mind that how you are playing the game is YOUR choice, and because you haven't learned how to properly manage your inventory and understand what to keep, what to sell, etc... you are frustrated with the game, but clearly not yourself. It took me a long time to learn all the numerous aspects of this game, I'm still learning, and still have a lot I can learn... but I'm not going to turn around and blame the game because I don't understand something and do some things wrong. There is a steep learning curve to ESO and that includes inventory management... but there is good news on the horizon for that, including crafting bags (for ESO Plus members) and purchasable character slots.

Sometimes though, I wonder how many 'hoarders' are playing ESO and complaining about inventory management? They seem to want to craft EVERYTHING and then wonder why they run out of space. Do they really need to keep level 1-14 craft items once they've moved beyond? Are they creating/deleting/creating new characters all the time that require those mats? Again, these are all CHOICES made by the players, not ZOS or ESO... so perhaps people that have inventory control problems should look at themselves and their game choices and not be so quick to blame ZOS or the game itself for their issues.

JKorr

ADarklore wrote: »

Mordeth_Kai wrote: »

I finally decided to start playing ESO again, this time abandoning all illusions of 'Skyrim the MMO' and this time just in the mood for a good online game.

The problem is right there in your first sentence... because A ) it seems like you still are expecting "Skyrim 2.0" from ESO... B ) you've clearly not played another MMO because there are others out there that are much, MUCH worse at costly marketplace items... C ) you don't comprehend the cost of what it takes to create, maintain and continually develop and on-going MMO.

Keep in mind that how you are playing the game is YOUR choice, and because you haven't learned how to properly manage your inventory and understand what to keep, what to sell, etc... you are frustrated with the game, but clearly not yourself. It took me a long time to learn all the numerous aspects of this game, I'm still learning, and still have a lot I can learn... but I'm not going to turn around and blame the game because I don't understand something and do some things wrong. There is a steep learning curve to ESO and that includes inventory management... but there is good news on the horizon for that, including crafting bags (for ESO Plus members) and purchasable character slots.

Sometimes though, I wonder how many 'hoarders' are playing ESO and complaining about inventory management? They seem to want to craft EVERYTHING and then wonder why they run out of space. Do they really need to keep level 1-14 craft items once they've moved beyond? Are they creating/deleting/creating new characters all the time that require those mats? Again, these are all CHOICES made by the players, not ZOS or ESO... so perhaps people that have inventory control problems should look at themselves and their game choices and not be so quick to blame ZOS or the game itself for their issues.

For some players the answer is "Yes".

I'm in 4 Guilds. One has players who all have high vet characters. I don't have to do much crafting for anyone. My second guild has a majority of higher level characters; I've made nirn stuff for research for guildmates. The third and fourth guilds have new players and I make quite a few research traits and sets of gear for characters that haven't hit level 20 yet. If someone is just crafting for themselves, then there might not be a reason to hang on to low level mats. For others, yes, there are reasons to do that. There are also the players who want to sell the mats, so.....

Personally I'm looking forward to the crafting bags. It will make things much easier.

Sunburnt_Penguin

I don't understand how that comes across as greed.

They're not forcing you (neither directly nor indirectly) to buy the Crown store items, they're simply there to save you some time and offer some convenience to which your purchasing decision will depend on your relative value of money (given your RL financial standing and disposable income) vs the time saved.

I think you're being a tad dramatic by saying that your experience is made miserable if you don't buy the Crown Store items.

If you don't buy them then you're no worse off other than spending countless 5 minutes round trips to the bank/merchant or some time juggling inventory around mules

Here's a simple way to consider if buying the bank/bag space is worthwhile:
> How much does the upgrade cost?
> Is this greater than the value (monetary or sentimental) of items I'll be putting in?
-> if yes: don't buy
-> if no: buy

FortheloveofKrist

The Crown Store is mainly a tax on people who are lazy and prone to impulse purchases. Aside from many costumes and most pets, you can earn most of those items by just playing the game. But people love the convenience (ironically) of not playing the game to get the items (i.e. riding skills, bank space, motifs, bag space, potions, gems, etc.). So developers are now catering to people who have 1) money and 2) no patience.

KaleidoscopeEyz

I have one character, no mules, and I only need to clear my inventory once or twice a night. Maybe you should have higher standards for what you put in your sack.

Curtdogg47

I have one toon and 120 bank slots. And I have never had a problem with inventory space. This is not your typical Elder scrolls game where you can horde everything! You have to make choices about what to keep. If leveling crafting skills is what your trying to do, then don't level all of them at once. I leveled my smithing,clothing and wood working at the same time. Then did alchemy, followed by provisiong and last enchanting. That helped keep my inventory from being a problem. Also the only thing I have bought from the store is DLCs and a couple of 5 pack xp scrolls. Which I feel xp scrolls are priced very fair for what they do.
No one is forcing you to buy crap from the store! And while I think that most of the stuff in the store is a waste of money, other people feel that the crown store offers great things and so they buy them.
Video games are now becoming small investments. Base games cost 60.00 then expanded or deluxe cost over a $100. It's crazy. And now I tend to play less games because of the financial commitment it takes to see these games to the very end. But if the game good and more importantly I am enjoying my investment then I have nothing to complain about. It's sound to me that maybe is ESO is not the right investment choice for you.

FortheloveofKrist

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Video games are now becoming small investments. Base games cost 60.00 then expanded or deluxe cost over a $100. It's crazy. And now I tend to play less games because of the financial commitment it takes to see these games to the very end. But if the game good and more importantly I am enjoying my investment then I have nothing to complain about. It's sound to me that maybe is ESO is not the right investment choice for you.

Sorry, but video games are not investments. You will never see a monetary "return" so it's not an investment.

Sunburnt_Penguin

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

Video games are now becoming small investments. Base games cost 60.00 then expanded or deluxe cost over a $100. It's crazy. And now I tend to play less games because of the financial commitment it takes to see these games to the very end. But if the game good and more importantly I am enjoying my investment then I have nothing to complain about. It's sound to me that maybe is ESO is not the right investment choice for you.

Sorry, but video games are not investments. You will never see a monetary "return" so it's not an investment.

*points towards streamers*

emily3989

OH my GODzzzzz!, another ZOS is greedy thread?

There is absolutely nothing I that cash shop you need to buy to be competitive at any stage of this game, outside of DLC, and they are very reasonably priced compared to other games.

If I go to the store and don't like the price of something, I don't badger the salesperson, I just look for something cheaper or just move on...

Svalinn

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Sorry, but video games are not investments. You will never see a monetary "return" so it's not an investment.

Everything is an investment.. can be monetary, can be time, can be energy... videogames have you invest money, time and energy and the "espected ROI" is in enjoyment.

This does not make them less investments compared to other things ^^

rotaugen454

"They won't just give me stuff and I don't want to have to make that much in game gold for mount abilities and bank space!"