What determines light/heavy attack damage

Lynx7386

For melee weapons, is it just based on weapon damage or does stamina factor into basic attacks?

leepalmer95

Stamina + wpn dmg.

I assume it's the same as every other dmg scaling in the game

Forestd16b14_ESO

From what I heard and asked around.

Light and heavy attacks are effected by...

Weapon/spell damage
Resources
melee weapon expert/staff expert/bow expert
Piercing/spell erosion
mighty/ and well I don't know about elemental expert or blessed and their effects on destruction staffs and restoration staffs.

Waffennacht

It's different for each, the precise numbers.

For example, all are based on damage and resource, however Restoration Staff is based on both magicka and spell damage, but scales more to spell damage.

Lynx7386

I ask because I"m trying to create a somewhat hybrid-style build for my khajiit dragonknight, using 5 light / 2 medium, igneous weapons (for sorcery and brutality), flames of oblivion (for the weapon and spell crit), and dual wield. All of my abilities are magicka, but I want to get the most out of the dual swords as possible.

dodgehopper_ESO

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I ask because I"m trying to create a somewhat hybrid-style build for my khajiit dragonknight, using 5 light / 2 medium, igneous weapons (for sorcery and brutality), flames of oblivion (for the weapon and spell crit), and dual wield. All of my abilities are magicka, but I want to get the most out of the dual swords as possible.

You listed the DK skills. I'll give you some other class alternatives to consider.

Sorcs can get a +Stamina and +11% heavy attack damage from Bound Armaments. They also get +Wpn damage from stacking Sorc skills on the bar (they can actually exceed the amount of templar balanced warrior pretty easily). Activating Surge can allow for better crits as well.

Templars can get +6% weapon damage from Balanced Warrior Passive. There's also a crit bonus in another passive.

NB's can get crit bonuses from their assassin skill line.

Lynx7386

Already have a templar and nightblade, and I have no interest on sorc.

Waffennacht

Im going to assume that the LA and HA of each weapon scales for to the damage side.

Staff will scale more to Spell Damage and Swords etc will scale to Weapon Damage more.

The exact ratio is not widely known.

Just to try and answer your question

Reorx_Holybeard

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im going to assume that the LA and HA of each weapon scales for to the damage side.

Staff will scale more to Spell Damage and Swords etc will scale to Weapon Damage more.

The exact ratio is not widely known.

Just to try and answer your question

I actually calculated the skill coefficients for most light/heavy attacks recently. You can find them here.

The equations for light/heavy attack are roughly:

Light Attack = 0.014537 Stat + 0.5796 Power - 0.59619   (Ratio = 40)
Heavy Attack = 0.055076 Stat + 2.1998 Power - 1.27439   (Ratio = 40)

Where "Stat" is Stamina for Physical weapons and Magicka for staffs and "Power" is likewise Weapon/Spell damage. The skill coefficient ratio is 40 which means that LA/HA depend more strongly on the Weapon/Spell damage than Stamina/Magicka than most skills (typical ratio of 10.5).

MrTarkanian48

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im going to assume that the LA and HA of each weapon scales for to the damage side.

Staff will scale more to Spell Damage and Swords etc will scale to Weapon Damage more.

The exact ratio is not widely known.

Just to try and answer your question

I actually calculated the skill coefficients for most light/heavy attacks recently. You can find them here.

The equations for light/heavy attack are roughly:

Light Attack = 0.014537 Stat + 0.5796 Power - 0.59619   (Ratio = 40)
Heavy Attack = 0.055076 Stat + 2.1998 Power - 1.27439   (Ratio = 40)

Where "Stat" is Stamina for Physical weapons and Magicka for staffs and "Power" is likewise Weapon/Spell damage. The skill coefficient ratio is 40 which means that LA/HA depend more strongly on the Weapon/Spell damage than Stamina/Magicka than most skills (typical ratio of 10.5).

@Reorx_Holybeard Wow, great job on the skills tracker

I'm trying to follow on this but I am not sure I understand with the 40 ratio of Heavy Attacks.

Could you show me the math on calculating my fully charged heavy attack tooltip damage if I had 30,000 Max Stam, and 3000 Weapon Damage (using a bow)?

Waffennacht

.055076(30000) + 2.1998(3000) - 1.27439

16522.8 + 6599.4 - 1.27439 - 1.27439

23153.2 - 1.27439
23150.92561(.4)?

= 9260.370244

Is that correct?

Acsvf

Waffennacht wrote: »

.055076(30000) + 2.1998(3000) - 1.27439

16522.8 + 6599.4 - 1.27439 - 1.27439

23153.2 - 1.27439
23150.92561(.4)?

= 9260.370244

Is that correct?

No. Copy and paste your first equation(correct, by the way) into a calculator, and you'll get ~8250.

The ratio isn't actually used in the calculation. It is a value gotten from PowerCoefficient/StatCoefficient, to show how important wep/spell power is in the calculation versus maximum stamina/magicka.

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I'm trying to follow on this but I am not sure I understand with the 40 ratio of Heavy Attacks.

Essentially it means that weapon and spell power are 4 times as important as maximum stamina and magicka.

Waffennacht

Acsvf wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

.055076(30000) + 2.1998(3000) - 1.27439

16522.8 + 6599.4 - 1.27439 - 1.27439

23153.2 - 1.27439
23150.92561(.4)?

= 9260.370244

Is that correct?

No. Copy and paste your first equation(correct, by the way) into a calculator, and you'll get ~8250.

The ratio isn't actually used in the calculation. It is a value gotten from PowerCoefficient/StatCoefficient, to show how important wep/spell power is in the calculation versus maximum stamina/magicka.

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I'm trying to follow on this but I am not sure I understand with the 40 ratio of Heavy Attacks.

Essentially it means that weapon and spell power are 4 times as important as maximum stamina and magicka.

Oh ok, lol im on my phone, was doin it in my head no copy and paste, so very informative!

Reorx_Holybeard

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im going to assume that the LA and HA of each weapon scales for to the damage side.

Staff will scale more to Spell Damage and Swords etc will scale to Weapon Damage more.

The exact ratio is not widely known.

Just to try and answer your question

I actually calculated the skill coefficients for most light/heavy attacks recently. You can find them here.

The equations for light/heavy attack are roughly:

Light Attack = 0.014537 Stat + 0.5796 Power - 0.59619   (Ratio = 40)
Heavy Attack = 0.055076 Stat + 2.1998 Power - 1.27439   (Ratio = 40)

Where "Stat" is Stamina for Physical weapons and Magicka for staffs and "Power" is likewise Weapon/Spell damage. The skill coefficient ratio is 40 which means that LA/HA depend more strongly on the Weapon/Spell damage than Stamina/Magicka than most skills (typical ratio of 10.5).

@Reorx_Holybeard Wow, great job on the skills tracker

I'm trying to follow on this but I am not sure I understand with the 40 ratio of Heavy Attacks.

Could you show me the math on calculating my fully charged heavy attack tooltip damage if I had 30,000 Max Stam, and 3000 Weapon Damage (using a bow)?

The "40" ratio is obtained by taking the first two coefficients and dividing: so 0.5796/0.014537 = 39.87

All this means is how important Magicka/Stamina is compared to Spell/Weapon Damage. In this case damage has 40 times greater effect than the stat. Or in other words, 1 point of Weapon Damage results in the same damage increase in Heavy Attack as 40 points of Stamina./=

Acsvf

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

The "40" ratio is obtained by taking the first two coefficients and dividing: so 0.5796/0.014537 = 39.87

Wait, first two?