Horrid Dungeon groups

Zesiar

Every time I get in a dungeon group, I get some v1-6 news who change their role after entering.
And why are we being put in a v16 dungeon with v1-8? City of Ash.. Not possible with that mix.
And newb always que as healer and DPS and change it when they in...

It makes no sense. Get this fixed because its ruining game play.

Miszou

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Aquanova

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Zesiar wrote: »

Every time I get in a dungeon group, I get some v1-6 news who change their role after entering.
And why are we being put in a v16 dungeon with v1-8? City of Ash.. Not possible with that mix.
And newb always que as healer and DPS and change it when they in...

It makes no sense. Get this fixed because its ruining game play.

Megalex1

Or the classic "queues for all 3 roles cause it's faster"

DephlaterMouse

Had a nightblade archer queued as tank. Dude would launch acid spray to pull the group only to die within 20 seconds every boss fight, and about every 3rd mob.

My pets where holding more agro than that dude...

badmojo0777b14_ESO

my experience in LFG goes like this. sit in queue for over an hour, finally get a group, tank is not bad, and healer is not bad while the other DPS isnt doing any DAMAGE! not being a tank or a healer while stacking tank and healer abiltiies and VERY LOW DPS in NOT DPSING....i know ZOS told people that they could play ESO any way they liked, but they didnt mean that any way was a GOOD WAY! lol i would imagine most dps dont even have a dps meter, so they dont know what kind of damage they are doing. they are simply surviving encounters while the tank, healer and the OTHER DPS carry them. .. PS, my BACK is killing me

DephlaterMouse

In xbox we don't even get add-ons to get dps meters, but trust me. Players know when they're not using their best abilities.

A lot of people use dungeons to level up skills. That doesn't mean that they picked skills that will work well together for that player. To say nothing of how those abilities mesh with the roll they selected in a dungeon.

UrQuan

You know, I see so many posts on the forums where people talk about how often they get bad PUGs for group dungeons. In the last week and a half I figure I've run about 30-35 PUGs (anywhere from 2-5 per day), and only once out of all of those did I end up in a group with someone who queued for a role they really couldn't do (it was a tank who really couldn't tank - in fact during the fights I couldn't even really tell which of the other 3 players was supposed to be the tank). And not once out of any of those PUGs (even the one with the tank who couldn't tank) did we fail to complete the dungeon. For the vast majority of those groups I was healing.

Have I just been really lucky, or does the general quality of folks using the group finder vary a lot between platforms/servers? I'm on PC/NA...

Bofrari

And people wonder why they get kicked it takes a real horrible group to fail at 90% of these dungeons especially something like wayrest or darkshade ect.

SlayerTheDragon

That dropdown in the Dungeon finder needs to default to Normal Dungeon and not Veteran Dungeon.

Dromede

Have at least one partner you know queueing for random dungens, especially Vet random dungeons. You secure your run even more if one of you does either tanking or healing - you just make your lives so muxh easier this way.

I feel like this week wasn't so bad because lots of people were levelling alts and kind of knew what was happenning. But getting a complete newbie can be really frustrating...

UrQuan

Dromede wrote: »

I feel like this week wasn't so bad because lots of people were levelling alts and kind of knew what was happenning. But getting a complete newbie can be really frustrating...

That could be why, overall, I've had such good experiences with PUGs in the last week and a half. I've done a lot of PUGs with lower level characters (lower vet rank characters and even non-vet characters as low level as 10), but probably a lot of those lower level characters were alts that experienced players were leveling. Heck, that's what I was doing.

Enderyn

UrQuan wrote: »

You know, I see so many posts on the forums where people talk about how often they get bad PUGs for group dungeons. In the last week and a half I figure I've run about 30-35 PUGs (anywhere from 2-5 per day), and only once out of all of those did I end up in a group with someone who queued for a role they really couldn't do (it was a tank who really couldn't tank - in fact during the fights I couldn't even really tell which of the other 3 players was supposed to be the tank). And not once out of any of those PUGs (even the one with the tank who couldn't tank) did we fail to complete the dungeon. For the vast majority of those groups I was healing.

Have I just been really lucky, or does the general quality of folks using the group finder vary a lot between platforms/servers? I'm on PC/NA...

I wouldn't go as far as to say quality but rather lack of concept and experience with conventional group mechanics.

Kozer

Zesiar wrote: »

Every time I get in a dungeon group, I get some v1-6 news who change their role after entering.
And why are we being put in a v16 dungeon with v1-8? City of Ash.. Not possible with that mix.
And newb always que as healer and DPS and change it when they in...

It makes no sense. Get this fixed because its ruining game play.

My level 30 templar has healed city of ash just the other day. The group was not the brightest and I had to lead them through. We wiped once.

My issue is when I queue as a tank on my V16 and the healer is a stam nightblade who pulls mobs willie nilly and wipes the group.

That I left.
The problem isn't the levels. Its the players.

RebornV3x

Yeah it can be bad did soon random dungeons last week during the xp boost and ran with my vet 1 healer apparently I was doing more damage than the DPS and tanking better than most tanks I'm just healing people that were barely doing any DPS and I almost soloed vet Elden Hollow cause my group was terrible the games been out for 2 years there's no excuse for not being able to play your role decently. but I can't blame them for choosing tank or healer to get into a dungeon quicker it takes 30 minutes to an hour if your a DPS while my healer gets in a dungeon in a minute.

vicius1981

Sometimes just 1 bad player can make a big difference and destroy a good/semi-good group...

daemonios

OP, you don't seem to understand the LFG tool yourself.

Regarding the VR16 dungeons with lower level characters, when you queue through the tool everyone in the group is battle leveled to VR16. They will not be true VR16, but the dungeons ARE doable. I did them all myself on my new character that I leveled to VR14 during cake week.

As for the players' skill, well, if you're joining a random group, you're going to get random players. You can't really expect to get a good group every time, or even most of the times. If you want to make sure your group knows what they're doing, run with guildies or buddies. If you're running with PUGs or randoms and they're not that good, you can either try to give them some hints or just leave.

The one thing where I agree with you is that there seem to be more and more people queueing for roles they can't fill, possibly just to get a group faster. It's not an easy thing to fix, since SOME people can fill several roles on the same character. The only possible solution I see is some vote system where you could rate your team mates' ability in their stated roles, but that would lend itself to abuse and would probably leave newer/weaker players stranded when looking for groups.

Omg_Pwned

daemonios wrote: »

Regarding the VR16 dungeons with lower level characters, when you queue through the tool everyone in the group is battle leveled to VR16. They will not be true VR16, but the dungeons ARE doable.

Did you ever tried the rats boss in wayrest sewer (normal) dungeon with a low level group? I was before some days as v16 with lvl 16, 20 and 22. Problem is they are battle leveled but they have no aoe at all. The boss spawns every some seconds 10 mobs and without aoe its just not doable. I was the only one spamming sab essences and we get him always down to 30% and once my magicka run out first I died cause I had all aggro and then the group died cause there was no other aoe and at some point to much monsters where spawned.

I would really like to have a only v16 group flag to prevent this failing undaunted tries again and again because you get grouped with low level people with no CP and no AOE

daemonios

Omg_Pwned wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Regarding the VR16 dungeons with lower level characters, when you queue through the tool everyone in the group is battle leveled to VR16. They will not be true VR16, but the dungeons ARE doable.

Did you ever tried the rats both in wayrest sewer (normal) dungeon with a low level group? I was before some days as v16 with lvl 16, 20 and 22. Problem is they are battle leveled by they have no aoe at all. The boss spawns every some seconds 10 mobs and without aoe its just not doable. I was the only one spamming sab essences and we get him always down to 30% and once my magicka run out first I died cause I had all aggro and then the group died cause there was no other aoe and at some point to much monsters where spawned.

I would really like to have a only v16 group flag to prevent this failing undaunted tries again and again because you get grouped with low level people with no CP and no AOE

That is not only an issue with normal dungeons and low level players. I've gotten stuck in plenty of groups with veteran-level characters who seem to ignore the concept of AoE. One sorc yesterday was hard-casting crystal frags on the zombie groups in vet Wayrest sewers. Like I said, random groups are random...

Phinix1

Megalex1 wrote: »

Or the classic "queues for all 3 roles cause it's faster"

I propose a drone-based solution which physically travels to the offending ***'s location pummels them repeatedly about the face.

The drone will then sever all internet cables before returning to base. Repeat offenders get a mini EMP detonated at their cable modem/router.

[minor edit for profanity filter]

Kathrein

The best for me was a stemplar signed up as tank, he was dd and was using magika det + radiant as finisher, best run ever

Destruent

Kathrein wrote: »

The best for me was a stemplar signed up as tank, he was dd and was using magika det + radiant as finisher, best run ever

lol...how did he survive in pvp to get proxy?

LadyNalcarya

Destruent wrote: »

Kathrein wrote: »

The best for me was a stemplar signed up as tank, he was dd and was using magika det + radiant as finisher, best run ever

lol...how did he survive in pvp to get proxy?

Zerg

Kathrein

Destruent wrote: »

Kathrein wrote: »

The best for me was a stemplar signed up as tank, he was dd and was using magika det + radiant as finisher, best run ever

lol...how did he survive in pvp to get proxy?

it's really easy to get proxy or whatever you want if you level up your char in the no veteran campain, and the guy was like lvl 42 or something, it was the normal random dungeon XD

Destruent

Kathrein wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kathrein wrote: »

The best for me was a stemplar signed up as tank, he was dd and was using magika det + radiant as finisher, best run ever

lol...how did he survive in pvp to get proxy?

it's really easy to get proxy or whatever you want if you level up your char in the no veteran campain, and the guy was like lvl 42 or something, it was the normal random dungeon XD

ah...i forgot, that ZOS lowered the AP needed for proxy...and of course:

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kathrein wrote: »

The best for me was a stemplar signed up as tank, he was dd and was using magika det + radiant as finisher, best run ever

lol...how did he survive in pvp to get proxy?

Zerg

how could i forgot about this XD

Sharee

Leveling a new DK as a tank almost exclusively through group finder(level10 - vet1), my experience was pretty good. While there were a few wipes here and there, my group always completed the dungeon in the end, and that included doing imperial prison a couple times.

Also, the queue time was usually under 10 seconds. So can't complain.

magnusthorek

I finished VCoA with my VR5 Templar while scaled to VR16. It's possible, but yes, a group made entirely through the Group Tool will not finish it like 90% of the time.

EZgoin76

Need a vote to kick option so players not doing the roles they queue for or the players that refuse to communicate can be removed from the group.

istateres

See another long discussion about this here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254077/lying-tanks#latest

Khaos_Bane

Uh characters scale to dungeon...If the v1-8 has level appropriate gear CoA is no problem at all. Maybe OP isn't aware of battle scaling ?

Masstershake

UrQuan wrote: »

You know, I see so many posts on the forums where people talk about how often they get bad PUGs for group dungeons. In the last week and a half I figure I've run about 30-35 PUGs (anywhere from 2-5 per day), and only once out of all of those did I end up in a group with someone who queued for a role they really couldn't do (it was a tank who really couldn't tank - in fact during the fights I couldn't even really tell which of the other 3 players was supposed to be the tank). And not once out of any of those PUGs (even the one with the tank who couldn't tank) did we fail to complete the dungeon. For the vast majority of those groups I was healing.

Have I just been really lucky, or does the general quality of folks using the group finder vary a lot between platforms/servers? I'm on PC/NA...

In my experience a healer is what makes or breaks a group. I que as tank n dps so 99% of the time am tanking so im not sure if a tank is that essential but i have noticed bad healing kills any group im in. Bad dps just hurt those few dungeons with dps checks. (im looking at you flying squid that needs adds to die first...oh and snake thing that heals to full)