Your view about healers in PvP

Kelces

There are many opinions about healers in Cyrodiil. Some derogatory, others that highly value them. What is your opinion?

Kartalin

They can be very useful, but not necessary.

Having them on group means I can focus on DPS more. Particularly in a guild group where you trust the person to do their job, and not so much in a PUG where a lot of them are spamming Mutagen to cheese their AvA rank for prox.

Solariken

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

I wish healing was more necessary and viable in PvP. It would make group fights a lot more fun.

However, I HATE "smart" healing mechanics. Smart healing ruins everything that could be fun about healing in this game. I also hate one-shot 0-to-full burst healing skills. Healing is one area where this game falls flat on its face. No imagination, no skill, no fun.

I prefer a system where DPS roles have limited ability to heal themselves efficiently, thus making healers and tanks important. I also prefer a system where healers are forced to be in the fray to heal - not inside a keep or out of sight spamming smart heals.

daphil01

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

Solariken wrote: »

However, I HATE "smart" healing mechanics. Smart healing ruins everything that could be fun about healing in this game. I also hate one-shot 0-to-full burst healing skills. Healing is one area where this game falls flat on its face. No imagination, no skill, no fun.

Get rid of 2 shot kills and one-shot 0-to-full burst would not be necessary.

Wreuntzylla

Healers are useful but not necessary for healing alone, but all the rest of the utility they typically bring is indispensable. The way to beat practically any build in this meta involves heal debuffs and snares. I our templars.

Anazasi

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

I heal because the lights are pretty......

CatchMeTrolling

Not enough healers in pvp, must be PC

Iyas

Healers missing something.. I dont like smart heal at all. It's taking a lot of "skill" out of the equation. I always liked to anticipate in other mmos where the assist train is going and pre cast my heals.

Here its simply 1 1 1 and hoping the smart heal hits the target you want to heal. Sure for every DD its the same with 1 1 1 surprise attack etc but healer always need more skill than DDs

Oh and the game is missing some good healer passive. Some use x and have a chance to get our cast time heal to an instant heal etc.

Ever played Rift or Warhammer with the different healer strategies? Like hot heal, strong aoe heal, strong single target heal and every healer was capable of doing his job in a different way.

Lucky28

having a good healer around is awesome. fighting a group that consists of nothing but templar healers freakin' sucks.

that's pretty much it.

HoloYoitsu

Where's the option for "I went in their house and it was bad for me"?

Rylana

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

Smallscale (less than 8)- Situational, you might want at least one. good smallscale players tend to have high self survival.
Medium size (8-12) - Youre gonna need one, especially if fighting equal or greater numbers
Large scale (12-24) - Absolute must, youre gonna get destroyed if you fight another 24 man with no heals

Zerg - leech dat AP baby

Sunburnt_Penguin

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

Yeah, in large scale it's pretty much essential as it means that the damage dealers don't have to waste time and resources healing themselves.

In smaller scale then not so much as the healers are easy targets and can get burned down quickly.

EsoRecon

Who needs healers? I have my own skills.

Get 1vX'd nubs

_Chaos

They can be very useful, but not necessary.

It's really dependent on the engagement, but when group spec'd as a mDK I find I can sap to sustain myself for the most part.
Fasallas can make it pretty difficult these days doe.

Inarre

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

People can pvp without healers and groups can succeed on self heals, but put that healer absent group against a group with many well organized healers and youre fighting a losing battle.

EsoRecon

Who needs healers? I have my own skills.

Inarre wrote: »

People can pvp without healers and groups can succeed on self heals, but put that healer absent group against a group with many well organized healers and youre fighting a losing battle.

not always true

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

PvP is just so much better with a Templar in the group (assuming most mean healer=templar), heals, damage, support... you really feel the difference when you don't have enough or none at all.

Kas

They can be very useful, but not necessary.

very useful but especially having a templar in group means you commit to standing your ground. no more playing around streak/shadow/cloak (still useful skills in such groups, ofc). They are incredibly important to make your group able to win fights, but you're forced to win them now instead of kite 'n snipe unware players from much bigger enemy groups you couldn't possible hope to wipe.

From the healer's perspective: your performance (how useful you are) is faaaaaaar to build dependent and not varying enough. in other words: player skill makes far too little difference, unless you count creating a good build as player skill, too. Sadly, this may be true for most roles/classes in a group except leading. For healers in particular, I'd argue that you come far too close to optimal performance if you build for a lot of reg and just spam key spells (don't want to go into detail here, some stuff is still far better than it's popular, thankfully). Sure, having perfect overview and reacting appropriately to threats on yourself and teammates before a health bar even moves is skillful healer play. however, the difference to reacting on health bars and even just spamming for the whole fight is far too small, imho.

Kelces

Thanks for your comments. Curious though, that many consider only templars as being healers.

Mrs_Quietus

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

TheRubiksCube

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

I'm surprised so many people would have a positive view on healers. When I'm with my guild, I'm rolling mostly as a Templar healer. There have been countless times when my group should've been wiped, but didn't because I was healing.

Maybe it's just me, but most people would rather be getting kills than being a healer or some other support role. I personally think that more people should be willing to be a healer because in a group of 16-24 with only 1 dedicated healer and the enemy is mostly VR16s with end game gear and basically maxed CP, you're really stretching things.

Ghostbane

daphil01 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

However, I HATE "smart" healing mechanics. Smart healing ruins everything that could be fun about healing in this game. I also hate one-shot 0-to-full burst healing skills. Healing is one area where this game falls flat on its face. No imagination, no skill, no fun.

Get rid of 2 shot kills and one-shot 0-to-full burst would not be necessary.

Who said you could post in here.

TheRubiksCube

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

Kelces wrote: »

Thanks for your comments. Curious though, that many consider only templars as being healers.

I've heard of sorc healers being a thing and of course there's the restoration staff spells, but nothing can really beat a Templars BoL which I personally think ZOS shouldn't have changed.

Inarre

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

EsoRecon wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

People can pvp without healers and groups can succeed on self heals, but put that healer absent group against a group with many well organized healers and youre fighting a losing battle.

not always true

I am assuming the groups are equal numbers and equal in skill set.

Of course if you pitch an organised group of veteran PVPers against pug healers there will be bloodshed.

Mrs_Quietus

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

Ghostbane wrote: »

daphil01 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

However, I HATE "smart" healing mechanics. Smart healing ruins everything that could be fun about healing in this game. I also hate one-shot 0-to-full burst healing skills. Healing is one area where this game falls flat on its face. No imagination, no skill, no fun.

Get rid of 2 shot kills and one-shot 0-to-full burst would not be necessary.

Who said you could post in here.

Dont send us back to the kitchen Ghost!!!

Kelces

TheRubiksCube wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

Thanks for your comments. Curious though, that many consider only templars as being healers.

I've heard of sorc healers being a thing and of course there's the restoration staff spells, but nothing can really beat a Templars BoL which I personally think ZOS shouldn't have changed.

Yes, I have realized that shortly after posting my comment. Maybe BoL can be made into a buff, especially after it is changed to affect only one ally. But it is even the whole tree, that makes templars special in this field. I would really like to see more of other classes, dedicated exclusively to healing, even if it is not cut-out to do so.

cschwingeb14_ESO

An army can't possibly win without it's healers.

The larger your group gets, the more valuable dedicated healer(s) become.

That said, healers are my favorite Lethal Arrow target. Pew pew.