Lets Do This Together ZoS

JadeNaria

Honestly, ZoS needs to head over to DC Universe Online's forums which is a game I played for years since its beta.

The moderators were not the only ones that represented the company that would interact with the players. Oh no, the devs actually did as well. They'd ask for help, ideas and what we liked and actually followed through.

They also added monthly free content for the F2P portion of the player base. They even went on to play with you. The community manager would actually pvp with players and against players and so did the devs as well (like the combat designer and lead).

Before a new DLC dropped they would play whatever new raid or alert (pledge/dungeon) for the players to see LIVE on twitch. They literally had their own group for raiding, tanks, heals, controllers and dpses. The devs even did things as cool as spawning bosses in the HQs of each faction randomly. I/e the heros' Watchtower and the villains' Hall Of Doom. For those who are not familiar with that imagine ESO's devs spawning Molag Bal in Rawl'kaa during peak times or in Grahtwood (Im AD so those are my main cities).

Those devs and moderators made you feel like they cared not only about your money but also your enjoyment and their game When things broke, or bugs came to fruition they would work on that as top priority and get it fixed THEN they would continue working on whatever content was coming up next.

In end it made us all feel (including the devs & moderators etc) that we were all fans of the game and wanted the same enjoyment from it. Their participation in game enabled them to see what we complained about and understand the frustration and get it fixed or adjusted.

We need that here. Instead it seems like its us vs them (of course I refer to "us" as those that actually discuss issues, bugs and performance problems here on the forums).

Even those who don't come to the forums to discuss lag, broken mechanics or combat issues - you have to at least admit that the portion of them playing with us or even doing cool things like spawning random bosses or enemies in major cities would be fun.

Who wants this type of interaction? Not even interaction but rather this fun and effective manner of maintaining ESO and the community happy and at the same rate being a profitable game for the company. Because how things are now, the revenue can't be the same for ZoS and what is indicative of that is paying popular streamers to play ESO and praise it while doing so or giving million dollar giveaways to attract new players to fill in the spots of ppl that are leaving/left.

Everything I mentioned above helped keep the customers happy AND the devs too. By them playing their own game with us they were able to clearly see what needed to be fixed and understand our frustration since they experienced it as well which in turn would motivate them to fix things asap.


FYI I played DCUO since beta and up until Day Break Games took over so I don't how they are. I am referring to the original team/devs that created DCUO and managed it for years.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Im trying to figure out what made you leave that game to play this one?

JadeNaria

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im trying to figure out what made you leave that game to play this one?

Money. I spent too much. They would constantly add new powers/classes and like a silly person I wanted to try them all and payed for respecc tokens which were ten dollars. i change powers so many times its hilarious. That and I would buy things from their "Crown Store" which were actually really cool.

In the 3 years I played DCUO I spent over $3k.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I dont understand. You dont have money to pay a sub?

Cadbury

JadeNaria wrote: »

Honestly, ZoS needs to head over to DC Universe Online's forums which is a game I played for years since its beta.

The moderators were not the only ones that represented the company that would interact with the players. Oh no, the devs actually did as well. They'd ask for help, ideas and what we liked and actually followed through.

They also added monthly free content for the F2P portion of the player base. They even went on to play with you. The community manager would actually pvp with players and against players and so did the devs as well (like the combat designer and lead).

Before a new DLC dropped they would play whatever new raid or alert (pledge/dungeon) for the players to see LIVE on twitch. They literally had their own group for raiding, tanks, heals, controllers and dpses. The devs even did things as cool as spawning bosses in the HQs of each faction randomly. I/e the heros' Watchtower and the villains' Hall Of Doom. For those who are not familiar with that imagine ESO's devs spawning Molag Bal in Rawl'kaa during peak times or in Grahtwood (Im AD so those are my main cities).

Those devs and moderators made you feel like they cared not only about your money but also your enjoyment and their game When things broke, or bugs came to fruition they would work on that as top priority and get it fixed THEN they would continue working on whatever content was coming up next.

In end it made us all feel (including the devs & moderators etc) that we were all fans of the game and wanted the same enjoyment from it. Their participation in game enabled them to see what we complained about and understand the frustration and get it fixed or adjusted.

We need that here. Instead it seems like its us vs them (of course I refer to "us" as those that actually discuss issues, bugs and performance problems here on the forums).

Even those who don't come to the forums to discuss lag, broken mechanics or combat issues - you have to at least admit that the portion of them playing with us or even doing cool things like spawning random bosses or enemies in major cities would be fun.

Who wants this type of interaction? Not even interaction but rather this fun and effective manner of maintaining ESO and the community happy and at the same rate being a profitable game for the company. Because how things are now, the revenue can't be the same for ZoS and what is indicative of that is paying popular streamers to play ESO and praise it while doing so or giving million dollar giveaways to attract new players to fill in the spots of ppl that are leaving/left.

Everything I mentioned above helped keep the customers happy AND the devs too. By them playing their own game with us they were able to clearly see what needed to be fixed and understand our frustration since they experienced it as well which in turn would motivate them to fix things asap.


FYI I played DCUO since beta and up until Day Break Games took over so I don't how they are. I am referring to the original team/devs that created DCUO and managed it for years.

Yeeaaaah about that. Let's not give them ideas from Day Break Games, please? Early DCUO was great , I agree.

I would say ZOS should take a look at the way Digital Extremes handles Warframe and their forums. Engaging their audience and taking the player's feedback to heart (both from regular players and streamers)

JadeNaria

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im trying to figure out what made you leave that game to play this one?

Money.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont understand. You dont have money to pay a sub?

Read my reply above.

In regards to having money I do. I pay my sub here. During that time I played DCUO I was trying to launch my clothing line and every penny counted so I made a decision and it was that. To leave.

I have my clothing line now and am profitable but now lol I can't leave ESO because of friends here and the time I have put into my characters as well. That and DCUO was alot more time consuming because there was so much to do.

Esquire1980g_ESO

SOE did those kind of things often, in most all their games. I played SWG from 03-11 and they had hired an event manager, for a large portion of that time, to do spawns, events, etc. I remember when the events guy "kidnapped a player", placed him in the dath prison, played a level 500 DS jedi, spawned a couple hundred elite stormys around the prison, and dared the entire server to try to get him back. After we did get him back, all got a new title for their trouble.

But, I believe we all have to remember back then, there was no F2P, everyone there had paid a sub for the privlage and SOE had a little bit of cash to spend on features/employess like these too. MMORPGs are a bit different now-a-days, for gamers and gaming companies.

ADarklore

I left DCUO because the devs did not CARE about what players wanted. There were so many times they would introduce changes, players would complain, they would push it through anyway... only to roll it back a few months later because of either massive problems or because of players leaving. Most players said they wanted more solo content, the community manage basically said they don't care about solo content in an MMO... again, they lost more players.

I don't know of many DCUO players who feel that the devs over there actually care about what players think, check out the testing feedback sections... DCUO devs do what they want, only later to change it because they realized that the players were right. Also, DCUO went to monthly content release because they couldn't financially survive on waiting quarterly for DLC income generation... so they now create rushed content that most often re-uses old locations as they try to maintain game population. Further, if you think prices are bad here in the Crown Store, head over to DCUO.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Ok well think if we are confused how ZOS must feel.

Genomic

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im trying to figure out what made you leave that game to play this one?

I'm here because I love ES. But there would be few people, even the die hard fans, who wouldn't agree that ZOS lacks in the communication or community interaction department.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

JadeNaria

Cadbury wrote: »

Yeeaaaah about that. Let's not give them ideas from Day Break Games, please? Early DCUO was great , I agree.

I would say ZOS should take a look at the way Digital Extremes handles Warframe and their forums. Engaging their audience and taking the player's feedback to heart (both from regular players and streamers)

Omg, so I am guessing Day Break is doing wrong by DCUO. That is sad.

But now about what you said, that sounds like a good option too. I mean I am not suggesting they learn from other devs BUT if something is working well for someone else while you have threads going on in your forums like ZoS does then maybe you need to take snippets from other devs/companies and adapt it.

In my company, I never went in with a stubborn narrow minded frame of mind. I would and still do observe methods of other entrepreneurs that excel where I may falter and adapt it. That really is what success is about.

JadeNaria

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

SOE did those kind of things often, in most all their games. I played SWG from 03-11 and they had hired an event manager, for a large portion of that time, to do spawns, events, etc. I remember when the events guy "kidnapped a player", placed him in the dath prison, played a level 500 DS jedi, spawned a couple hundred elite stormys around the prison, and dared the entire server to try to get him back. After we did get him back, all got a new title for their trouble.

But, I believe we all have to remember back then, there was no F2P, everyone there had paid a sub for the privlage and SOE had a little bit of cash to spend on features/employess like these too. MMORPGs are a bit different now-a-days, for gamers and gaming companies.

That kidnap a player thing sounds like a riot!

JadeNaria

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

The devs @ DCUO do it every Friday and host Friday Night Legends as well.

JadeNaria

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok well think if we are confused how ZOS must feel.

I am confused about you being confused.

SlappyThePoptart

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok well think if we are confused how ZOS must feel.

I am confused about you being confused.

I too has the confuse about confusion.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

The devs @ DCUO do it every Friday and host Friday Night Legends as well.

Whats the name of it? The show I mean.

Tommy1979AtWar

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

You don't play many other games do you james o.O

Nowwww it kinda makes sense

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Im just confused because I asked why you dont play DCUO anymore and you said money.

Inarre

I think ZOS does a fairly good job interacting with their customers, @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom both do a great job and follow up on major issues and taking our thoughts to heart. Unfortunately they are only 2 people of a big team and there are many of us all giving contradicting ideas, so I guess the question is how can they take every idea to heart and implement it while satisfying the ESO population?

PVPers, PVEers, people who want AOE caps and don't, people who want less lag, people who want more skills, more classes, better balance, bugs fixed, executes here, gap closers there... Taking our ideas to heart can only happen so quickly and so much.

As far as interactions I think they do a pretty good job with their twitch stream, and they answer players questions. That said I think some of your statements are great ideas that ZOS could try to implement. Rather than seeing someone playing the questing of Hews Bane I would have loved to see the devs streaming Maw of Lorkaj in a 12 man group. That would have been awesome to see

And of course, random boss spawns and activities with ZOS employees are always fun and welcome ideas, but you would have some players who would get upset that they were playing with us without fixing issues first.

Really not everyone can be happy all of the time. I like your ideas but I can also see why some of them don't/can't happen... At least not yet.

JadeNaria

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

The devs @ DCUO do it every Friday and host Friday Night Legends as well.

Whats the name of it? The show I mean.

Friday Night Legends, they play with the players or host pvp tournaments after they talk about the game and upcoming content or changes,

JadeNaria

SlappyThePoptart wrote: »

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok well think if we are confused how ZOS must feel.

I am confused about you being confused.

I too has the confuse about confusion.

I am confused about your confuse with the confusion.

Obliterate

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im just confused because I asked why you dont play DCUO anymore and you said money.

Because playing DCUO entices them to spend a lot of real money on the game, yet with ESO they can just pay the sub fee and get the benefits of buying something from the crown store each month and DLCs inclusive.

I'm not confused, and you have a fair point. ESO Live is good but the most interaction we get on the forums is:

"I have removed this post, please read the rules here" or "Nice debate but rules was broken so we removed some replies"

JadeNaria

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

You don't play many other games do you james o.O

Nowwww it kinda makes sense

It finally comes together.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree. What other game has a show like ESO live with the developers every couple weeks or once a month I forget how often it comes out.

The devs @ DCUO do it every Friday and host Friday Night Legends as well.

Whats the name of it? The show I mean.

Friday Night Legends, they play with the players or host pvp tournaments after they talk about the game and upcoming content or changes,

Been almost a year since they had one of those according to the youtube channel.

JadeNaria

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im just confused because I asked why you dont play DCUO anymore and you said money.

That down there...

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im trying to figure out what made you leave that game to play this one?

Money. I spent too much. They would constantly add new powers/classes and like a silly person I wanted to try them all and payed for respecc tokens which were ten dollars. i change powers so many times its hilarious. That and I would buy things from their "Crown Store" which were actually really cool.

In the 3 years I played DCUO I spent over $3k.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

My point is even with all that perfect communication people left the game. Seems like a LOT of people. I would rather less communication more working on stuff. Seems like they spent too much time on the forums and doing events rather than making the game enjoyable.

Obliterate

I never saw perfect communication, but I'm a new player so.

Ritzey01

JadeNaria wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Im trying to figure out what made you leave that game to play this one?

Money. I spent too much. They would constantly add new powers/classes and like a silly person I wanted to try them all and payed for respecc tokens which were ten dollars. i change powers so many times its hilarious. That and I would buy things from their "Crown Store" which were actually really cool.

In the 3 years I played DCUO I spent over $3k.

And you want ESO to be more like this? to cost 1k a year to play?

JadeNaria

Inarre wrote: »

I think ZOS does a fairly good job interacting with their customers, @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom both do a great job and follow up on major issues and taking our thoughts to heart. Unfortunately they are only 2 people of a big team and there are many of us all giving contradicting ideas, so I guess the question is how can they take every idea to heart and implement it while satisfying the ESO population?

PVPers, PVEers, people who want AOE caps and don't, people who want less lag, people who want more skills, more classes, better balance, bugs fixed, executes here, gap closers there... Taking our ideas to heart can only happen so quickly and so much.

As far as interactions I think they do a pretty good job with their twitch stream, and they answer players questions. That said I think some of your statements are great ideas that ZOS could try to implement. Rather than seeing someone playing the questing of Hews Bane I would have loved to see the devs streaming Maw of Lorkaj in a 12 man group. That would have been awesome to see

And of course, random boss spawns and activities with ZOS employees are always fun and welcome ideas, but you would have some players who would get upset that they were playing with us without fixing issues first.

Really not everyone can be happy all of the time. I like your ideas but I can also see why some of them don't/can't happen... At least not yet.

Yes a lot of what you said makes sense, like the bold area. Also, the fact they would play with us would enable them to feel the frustration of the issues we deal with and really inspire them to fix it.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Sorry I missed the part about the money. Well when you asked them to lower the prices they listened and did what you asked I assume right? Or not?