Stampires, magiwolves and other forms.

swirve

ZOS

Could we have additional morphs, new skills, branched passives for world skill lines.

For example a magicka werewolf or a stamina vampire set.

Also how about letting us become a daedra on transformation in addition to summoning of them but as a world skill line.

CaptainBeerDude

I like my WW morphs. Don't go making me change things up. Also, a magiwolf should be support. Make the howl heal nearby WW, give the fear a taunt on one morph and you could have a trinity pack running dungeons.


I really want that now...

swirve

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

I like my WW morphs. Don't go making me change things up. Also, a magiwolf should be support. Make the howl heal nearby WW, give the fear a taunt on one morph and you could have a trinity pack running dungeons.


I really want that now...

This is in addition to existing morphs, given they are wirld skill lines i feel they should be more playable as both magica and stamina.

Id happily play a magica werewolf who is more support than savage....i.e could have aura or radiate stuff as well as some limited magicka attack abilities...more for surviving a s hitstorm type situation.

And i find it strange why vampires who are famed for combat abilities dont have additional stamina skill options.

Wollust

Well vampire fits both stamina and magicka. The main thing about vampirism is the ult, and that one works on all classes. The passives are the same for magicka and stamina.
Unlike WW, which is a pure stamina form.

swirve

Wollust wrote: »

Well vampire fits both stamina and magicka. The main thing about vampirism is the ult, and that one works on all classes. The passives are the same for magicka and stamina.
Unlike WW, which is a pure stamina form.

Yeah vamp passives seem ok, but the skills are all magicka. Most vampire players i would expect would be magicka builds.

Leandor

No to equalitarianism!

That is the fixation on making everything equal by either removing any and all distinguishing traits or giving one-size-fits-all morphs to any such trait. [snip]

[edited for discussion of politics]

ListerJMC

Wollust wrote: »

Well vampire fits both stamina and magicka. The main thing about vampirism is the ult, and that one works on all classes. The passives are the same for magicka and stamina.
Unlike WW, which is a pure stamina form.

Vampire passives help both magicka and stamina, however all skills and morphs cost magicka and bat swarm deals magic damage. I'd really like more options for stamina-based vampires, it makes sense to me to give options for both since it supports both.

LBxFinalDeath

Werewolf is amazingly fun to play, I'd be up for them adding a reason for magicka builds to run it.

Though I do know that Werewolf does do magic damage (which is why its not considered a physical ult, it simply scales off weapon damage and stam but the dmg done is magic so mighty does nothing for it which is weird)

Vampire though already has reasons for stam and magicka to become one.

swirve

Leandor wrote: »

No to equalitarianism!

That is the fixation on making everything equal by either removing any and all distinguishing traits or giving one-size-fits-all morphs to any such trait.

Lol. You have no clue.

Equalitarianism would see equal abilities for stam and magic, this is not what had been suggested. This has been left open to discussion, which you may have seen points on different utility for werewolves based on stam or magic.

[edited for quote/bait]

Leandor

swirve wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

No to equalitarianism!

That is the fixation on making everything equal by either removing any and all distinguishing traits or giving one-size-fits-all morphs to any such trait.

Lol. You have no clue.

Equalitarianism would see equal abilities for stam and magic, this is not what had been suggested. This has been left open to discussion, which you may have seen points on different utility for werewolves based on stam or magic.

Congratulations mate!

[edited for quote]

CaptainBeerDude

ListerJMC wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Well vampire fits both stamina and magicka. The main thing about vampirism is the ult, and that one works on all classes. The passives are the same for magicka and stamina.
Unlike WW, which is a pure stamina form.

Vampire passives help both magicka and stamina, however all skills and morphs cost magicka and bat swarm deals magic damage. I'd really like more options for stamina-based vampires, it makes sense to me to give options for both since it supports both.

Use weapons and dawnbreaker. Have one or 2 vamp skills in for utility (cc, escape etc.) not damage. Also use the passives to your advantage. Passives are the most powerful part of your build.

Brrrofski

ListerJMC wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Well vampire fits both stamina and magicka. The main thing about vampirism is the ult, and that one works on all classes. The passives are the same for magicka and stamina.
Unlike WW, which is a pure stamina form.

Vampire passives help both magicka and stamina, however all skills and morphs cost magicka and bat swarm deals magic damage. I'd really like more options for stamina-based vampires, it makes sense to me to give options for both since it supports both.

All ults deal magic or elemental damage except leap sooo...

The skills are trash anyway. Nobody runs vamp for drain or mist. Like nobody. Regen, movement speed and Ult work for both stam and magica

ListerJMC

@CaptainBeerDude yes I only really use it for the passives, the skills are pretty useless. Also because I'm stubborn and want to stick it out .

@Brrrofski fair point, is there a reason why Dragon Leap is the only one? And I still think it'd be nice to have some stamina skill morphs, as useless as the skills may be. Werewolves are stamina based yet have a skill that costs magicka after all.

CaptainBeerDude

@ListerJMC you gotta stick it out. How else are you going to be the hipster who was doing it first when your turn in the FotM cycle comes by.

ListerJMC

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

@ListerJMC you gotta stick it out. How else are you going to be the hipster who was doing it first when your turn in the FotM cycle comes by.

Hahaha now I have to stick it out just to be a hipster vampire in the distant future! Undeath goals right there .

Daraugh

swirve wrote: »

ZOS

Could we have additional morphs, new skills, branched passives for world skill lines.

For example a magicka werewolf or a stamina vampire set.

Also how about letting us become a daedra on transformation in addition to summoning of them but as a world skill line.

I would love to have a magicka werewolf and a stampire would be cool, the passives are already there. As world skill lines they're very lackluster. I don't think there's any way you could explain the daedric transformation, unless it was purely an illusion spell, but those kind of polymorphs do exist in game.

It's not possible to use werewolf skills as a magicka character as you have enough stamina to hit one skill and that's it, you're done, all out. I played my sorc as a stormwolf for a while and it was so incredibly fun, if it could scale off of magicka I'd still be doing it. Stamsorc in dungeons is just meh though, so not shifted it wasn't worth it for group play.

I hate to play the crown store card, but since the bites are there I wonder why they don't reassess the skill lines to make them as accessible to as many types as possible. Magiwolf and stampire?

runagate

My DK healer is a magicka WW. You might not do a lot of damage but the fear, knockdown and mobility are very useful but unlike for a stamina build WW you have so much magicka and the self-heal is so cheap that you're effectively immortal should that be useful situationally.

Wuuffyy

I hope no one listens to you my good sir. If you want to be a magika werewolf, the howl will be so high combined with resistance and CP, as long as you don't run out of stam, you'll never die, even in PvP. As for vamp, it's not that great as with a magika build due to CP alignment and 1 good AoE execute.. Even 1 group heal would immediately make a stam vamp combo DMG with it look laughable.
It's very obvious WW should be based on physical power and vampires "blood magic".

craybest

I just want WW characters to have bright yellow eyes, when not transformed. Maybe not all the time, but at least when they have their ult ready. that would be awesome

Leandor

Dear Moderator. If you insist that mentioning of a political concept that is known primarily for the insistence on equality constitutes a "political discussion" then so be it, but removing of the term "political correctness" for the same reason, even though it contains the word "political", bids for further education on modern language.

Thanks for making a comment, that was largely intended to be a source of amusement into a thoroughly sombre discourse.

This is the second time one of my posts was edited or removed for some unrelated reason. If you would like me to stop posting, just tell me.