Stam NB ganking...im doing something wrong

Kalante

i gank with 4.8k damag buffed on my stam nb if i feel like it. Still have 1.9k stam regen with food buff. It's a nice set up. It hits hard.

five hundings rage on main bar with dual weild weapons
five alchemist on buff bar with two hander to activate alchemist
i use three endurance but you could use agility to hit even harder but i like to have some regen.

most of my gear is purple, the only gold gear i have are my pants and one dual wield weapon. 2.8k damage unbuffed. I know it could be better but i am poor.

i am a wood elf. The extra damage while stealth is perfect. Buff up my crit with camo hunter on main bar.
Also you need to animation cancel otherwise it's a waste of time or reroll to magicka easy mode.

sirrmattus

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lone vet2 on his horse vs me (vet16)

Shadow cloak
Rally
Ambush
Surprise attack
Heavy attack
Executioner

He's still alive and I died.

Why must I suck so much on an easy kill lol?

Weapon damage at approx 3000
Crit at approx 50 perc
5 shield breaker
3 night mother
3 agility

@brandonv516
did you think 1 surprise atk would put him in execution?
why not dual wield with 2h on back bar?
nb should really stick to dw

Bone_Demon

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lone vet2 on his horse vs me (vet16)
5 shield breaker

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

shield breaker is for hating sorcs not ganking, thats not a great choice unless your running around on a bow lol'ing light attacks on shield spammers

damtotb16_ESO

EsoRecon wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lone vet2 on his horse vs me (vet16)

Shadow cloak
Rally
Ambush
Surprise attack
Heavy attack
Executioner

He's still alive and I died.

Why must I suck so much on an easy kill lol?

Weapon damage at approx 3000
Crit at approx 50 perc
5 shield breaker
3 night mother
3 agility

3000 wep damage is quite low

Maybe in your book. I had 2.4k on stamina dk in black rose and wrecked 95% people i encountered. It also matters how much stamina one has, not just crude wd number

Egonieser

I was roasting v16 high rankers on a lvl 38 templar in former Azura Star. In fact the battle scaling gave me lot higher stats than I currently have at v16 - couple higher stats with nearly 2 years of PvP experience and you can melt v16's on a low level toon as you would on a max level one.
As long as your gear is current level and at least blue+ your stats will almost always be as high (sometimes even higher) of a v16 equivalent character. Only thing that sets you and your enemy apart is your own skill and elbow grease.

Today I saw a v3 night blade solo destroy v16's (low ranking ones though) and he was incredibly hard to kill due to very high inflated battle scaled stats, he was hitting like a train, rolldodging constantly and had 27k HP, now a v16 will never have those stats, if he were to hit a lot and have tons of stamina+regen - he would only have like 19k health - which is the great benefit of actually being low level/rank in PvP.

Lexxypwns

The key to crazy burst openings is to stack damage buffs properly. The buffs your stamblade will be using are: Flawless dawnbreaker passive damage increase, minor berserk from relentless focus, major brutality from rally or potion, empower from might of the guild and ambush, the gauranteed crit from shadowy disguise, shadow stone for bonus crit damage, NB bonus crit damage, NB bonus damage from stealth, and bonus points for racial damage bonus from stealth.

Bars would look something like this on 2h/bow

Bow
Lethal arrow(dat ranged heal debuff)
Camo hunter(dat free crit + damage proc)
relentless focus
magelight(morph doesn't matter, just activate it before you launch your lethal arrow for empower)
shadowy disguise
flawless DB

2h
rally
ambush
surprise attack
executioner
fear
soul harvest

so, first you activate your buffs, cloak, launch an empowered lethal arrow, bow light attack, weapon swap, ambush, soul harvest. At this point, if opponent is in execute range just hit them with executioner, if not then fear surprise attack executioner.

If executed properly, the lethal arrow, light attack, and ambush will all hit very closely together, you'll get a camo hunter proc, and have an empowered ulti immediately after. Its worth noting that lethal arrow has no real GCD because of the cast time and ambush GCD starts when its activated so by the time you've arrived at your target you'll usually be able to attack instantly

Vangy

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The key to crazy burst openings is to stack damage buffs properly. The buffs your stamblade will be using are: Flawless dawnbreaker passive damage increase, minor berserk from relentless focus, major brutality from rally or potion, empower from might of the guild and ambush, the gauranteed crit from shadowy disguise, shadow stone for bonus crit damage, NB bonus crit damage, NB bonus damage from stealth, and bonus points for racial damage bonus from stealth.

Bars would look something like this on 2h/bow

Bow
Lethal arrow(dat ranged heal debuff)
Camo hunter(dat free crit + damage proc)
relentless focus
magelight(morph doesn't matter, just activate it before you launch your lethal arrow for empower)
shadowy disguise
flawless DB

2h
rally
ambush
surprise attack
executioner
fear
soul harvest

so, first you activate your buffs, cloak, launch an empowered lethal arrow, bow light attack, weapon swap, ambush, soul harvest. At this point, if opponent is in execute range just hit them with executioner, if not then fear surprise attack executioner.

If executed properly, the lethal arrow, light attack, and ambush will all hit very closely together, you'll get a camo hunter proc, and have an empowered ulti immediately after. Its worth noting that lethal arrow has no real GCD because of the cast time and ambush GCD starts when its activated so by the time you've arrived at your target you'll usually be able to attack instantly

This kitty gankblade smells another kitty gankblade. This ones set up is identical to the above. This one approves.

EDIT: This one has noticed @Lexxypwns is no kitty gankblade. He/she is DC gankblade. This one hopes to meet that one in battle.

Duiwel

Marktoneth3 wrote: »

Duiwel wrote: »

OP I was killing V16's on my Level 14 NB in IC for lulz a couple of weeks ago...

Character level means nothing

No CP ?

No we had CP I was prob at 300 or so around then

Tan9oSuccka

Vangy wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The key to crazy burst openings is to stack damage buffs properly. The buffs your stamblade will be using are: Flawless dawnbreaker passive damage increase, minor berserk from relentless focus, major brutality from rally or potion, empower from might of the guild and ambush, the gauranteed crit from shadowy disguise, shadow stone for bonus crit damage, NB bonus crit damage, NB bonus damage from stealth, and bonus points for racial damage bonus from stealth.

Bars would look something like this on 2h/bow

Bow
Lethal arrow(dat ranged heal debuff)
Camo hunter(dat free crit + damage proc)
relentless focus
magelight(morph doesn't matter, just activate it before you launch your lethal arrow for empower)
shadowy disguise
flawless DB

2h
rally
ambush
surprise attack
executioner
fear
soul harvest

so, first you activate your buffs, cloak, launch an empowered lethal arrow, bow light attack, weapon swap, ambush, soul harvest. At this point, if opponent is in execute range just hit them with executioner, if not then fear surprise attack executioner.

If executed properly, the lethal arrow, light attack, and ambush will all hit very closely together, you'll get a camo hunter proc, and have an empowered ulti immediately after. Its worth noting that lethal arrow has no real GCD because of the cast time and ambush GCD starts when its activated so by the time you've arrived at your target you'll usually be able to attack instantly

This kitty gankblade smells another kitty gankblade. This ones set up is identical to the above. This one approves.

EDIT: This one has noticed @Lexxypwns is no kitty gankblade. He/she is DC gankblade. This one hopes to meet that one in battle.

This forum needs more Cat RP. Where's Santie Claws?

Van_0S

brandonv516 wrote: »

Lone vet2 on his horse vs me (vet16)

Shadow cloak
Rally
Ambush
Surprise attack
Heavy attack
Executioner

He's still alive and I died.

Why must I suck so much on an easy kill lol?

Weapon damage at approx 3000
Crit at approx 50 perc
5 shield breaker
3 night mother
3 agility

OP use soul tether or soul harvest and look at the enemy player HP , If its beyond 25k and as a shield then be ready to risk yourself against them because your chance for an instant kill will be limited...

hoaxburnrwb17_ESO

xskinzcity wrote: »

My level 43 destroyed a v16 ganker in cheydinhal. Learn to play your class lmaoo. Btw shield breaker is trash. Replace with hundings.

nah, its the cp. I barely have 126 and I don't stand a chance against those 501's. 501 cp = vet 16 now. you can be lv 46 with a 501 cp on standard campaign and be op. and when they remove vr the lv 50's with capped cp will be king. tried the non cp campaign and I actually kill people. cp ruined vr 14 - 16 so that's why vr will be removed. 501 cp is what makes you op or so called have "skillz" not vr 16 anymore. and I don't think cp should be account wide and I hope they remove account wide cp with the rise of sithis

Lexxypwns

Vangy wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The key to crazy burst openings is to stack damage buffs properly. The buffs your stamblade will be using are: Flawless dawnbreaker passive damage increase, minor berserk from relentless focus, major brutality from rally or potion, empower from might of the guild and ambush, the gauranteed crit from shadowy disguise, shadow stone for bonus crit damage, NB bonus crit damage, NB bonus damage from stealth, and bonus points for racial damage bonus from stealth.

Bars would look something like this on 2h/bow

Bow
Lethal arrow(dat ranged heal debuff)
Camo hunter(dat free crit + damage proc)
relentless focus
magelight(morph doesn't matter, just activate it before you launch your lethal arrow for empower)
shadowy disguise
flawless DB

2h
rally
ambush
surprise attack
executioner
fear
soul harvest

so, first you activate your buffs, cloak, launch an empowered lethal arrow, bow light attack, weapon swap, ambush, soul harvest. At this point, if opponent is in execute range just hit them with executioner, if not then fear surprise attack executioner.

If executed properly, the lethal arrow, light attack, and ambush will all hit very closely together, you'll get a camo hunter proc, and have an empowered ulti immediately after. Its worth noting that lethal arrow has no real GCD because of the cast time and ambush GCD starts when its activated so by the time you've arrived at your target you'll usually be able to attack instantly

This kitty gankblade smells another kitty gankblade. This ones set up is identical to the above. This one approves.

EDIT: This one has noticed @Lexxypwns is no kitty gankblade. He/she is DC gankblade. This one hopes to meet that one in battle.

It is the same basic setups most good gankers are gonna run. Its all about understanding buff stacking and how GCD and travel times work, using animation canceling properly to ensure maximum initial burst. I rarely gank, personally, but understanding specific play styles helps you build/play to counter them.

MightyBantam34

I'd recommend watching a video on YouTube called how a nightblade thinks by Loyal Habsfan , not only is the video funny and entertaining it also showcases perfectly how with skill a stamblade should be played

IcyDeadPeople

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Its worth noting that lethal arrow has no real GCD because of the cast time and ambush GCD starts when its activated so by the time you've arrived at your target you'll usually be able to attack instantly

What is a GCD?

SneaK

brandonv516 wrote: »

No I only have the 1 character...it just amazes me that a character can take such a beating and still turn the situation around with an incredible amount of damage. Is it possible for a lower vet rank to have more cp than a higher one? I have about 300. Also when would be best to fear...after or before ambush?

When ganking off a horse, you do as much damage as possible while they are on the ground after falling off their horse, as soon as they stand up that's when you fear them. It's a double CC cause the horse fall doesn't grant immunity.

I feel bad for contributing here.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

SneaK wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

No I only have the 1 character...it just amazes me that a character can take such a beating and still turn the situation around with an incredible amount of damage. Is it possible for a lower vet rank to have more cp than a higher one? I have about 300. Also when would be best to fear...after or before ambush?

When ganking off a horse, you do as much damage as possible while they are on the ground after falling off their horse, as soon as they stand up that's when you fear them. It's a double CC cause the horse fall doesn't grant immunity.

I feel bad for contributing here.

if someone has actual horse stamina (every pvp player whos been around awhile) this wont work, they wont fall off, they will dismount or just keep trucking. fear them first so they cant dismount or gallop, so you can guarentee to do enough damage to knock them off and get the second cc anyway

edit: also, between the time you attack their feared horse and the falling off animation if they arnt dead already their CC immunity will be over by that time anyway

IcyDeadPeople

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

No I only have the 1 character...it just amazes me that a character can take such a beating and still turn the situation around with an incredible amount of damage. Is it possible for a lower vet rank to have more cp than a higher one? I have about 300. Also when would be best to fear...after or before ambush?

When ganking off a horse, you do as much damage as possible while they are on the ground after falling off their horse, as soon as they stand up that's when you fear them. It's a double CC cause the horse fall doesn't grant immunity.

I feel bad for contributing here.

if someone has actual horse stamina (every pvp player whos been around awhile) this wont work, they wont fall off, they will dismount or just keep trucking. fear them first so they cant dismount or gallop, so you can guarentee to do enough damage to knock them off and get the second cc anyway

Yes, kinda funny to get feared on a horse, but it has happened to me.

GreenSoup2HoT

@xskinzcity

Shield breaker is comparable to hunding for pvp. If you fail a gank on a magicka user and they pop healing ward, shield breaker is very valuable.

Soleya

You did it wrong. Rally, WB, WB, WB, WB, WB.