Turn your hearing aids up

xEcthelionx

The next patch is either going to make or break the game. The players who actually play the game have told you the issues. The game has never been even remotely close to being balanced except for 1.6 on console where the population did not have nirn.

It does not matter if you make arenas, battlegrounds, or X trial if you do not fix the fundamental flaws that exist with the game. The sentiment is obvious and rather than throw away a year worth of work I would like to see you fix the *** game.


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strikeback1247

I don't think they need hearing aids cause everything is written

Knootewoot

xEcthelionx wrote: »

The next patch is either going to make or break the game. The players who actually play the game have told you the issues. The game has never been even remotely close to being balanced except for 1.6 on console where the population did not have nirn.

It does not matter if you make arenas, battlegrounds, or X trial if you do not fix the fundamental flaws that exist with the game. The sentiment is obvious and rather than throw away a year worth of work I would like to see you fix the *** game.

For me the last patch was the make- or break patch. And i was all like...



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Forestd16b14_ESO

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Sypher

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

The guys asking for lag to be fixed, aoe caps to be removed, and classes to be balanced.

SCREW THOSE GUYS!!

Foxic

Sypher wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

The guys asking for lag to be fixed, aoe caps to be removed, and classes to be balanced.

SCREW THOSE GUYS!!

Exactly, im not saying everything every streamer has ever said is totally accurate. But most of the streamers understand the game and whats wrong with it far more than the vast majority of the community. All of the casual players who want the game balanced around them and their abilities have no actual idea what it would actually do to the game.

hammayolettuce

xEcthelionx wrote: »

The next patch is either going to make or break the game. The players who actually play the game have told you the issues. The game has never been even remotely close to being balanced except for 1.6 on console where the population did not have nirn.

It does not matter if you make arenas, battlegrounds, or X trial if you do not fix the fundamental flaws that exist with the game. The sentiment is obvious and rather than throw away a year worth of work I would like to see you to fix the *** game.

You know the dark side aint all its cracked up to be. You should calm down a tad there Jr. Vader.

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FENGRUSH

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Lets hear the great additions to PVP ZOS took directly from streamers.. this should be interesting!

Kartalin

xEcthelionx wrote: »

The next patch is either going to make or break the game. The players who actually play the game have told you the issues. The game has never been even remotely close to being balanced except for 1.6 on console where the population did not have nirn.

Pretty sure a lot of people said the same thing prior to the last 3 DLCs. And well, you don't really see as many people around any more now do you.

Me, I'm just stubborn I guess.

Mojmir

asked for aoe cap removal and they added VD.
Asked for a no CP campaign,they did and reduced amount of campaigns.
I don't think the problem is hearing aids

Zheg

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Lets hear the great additions to PVP ZOS took directly from streamers.. this should be interesting!

The north templar remembers.

HoloYoitsu

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Lets hear the great additions to PVP ZOS took directly from streamers.. this should be interesting!

The north templar remembers.

Fix'd.

Vaoh

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen to no one on fixing PvP for 2 years and made it significantly worse/almost impossibly broken.

I will never understand why "the streamers" are looked at as a bad thing for this community by certain clueless individuals. These guys provide a ton of free advertisement for ZOS (used to, but pretty much all left) and play a ton so they understand much of what needs to be done to fix core game issues.

Zheg

Doncellius wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen to no one on fixing PvP for 2 years and made it significantly worse/almost impossibly broken.

I will never understand why "the streamers" are looked at as a bad thing for this community by certain clueless individuals. These guys provide a ton of free advertisement for ZOS (used to, but pretty much all left) and play a ton so they understand much of what needs to be done to fix core game issues.

I agree that the rage at streamers is mostly misdirected right now, and somewhat unwarranted. The problem with your last sentence is when they also demonstrate a significant lack of knowledge on specific issues but speak on them with authority and it's then taken as gospel.

Vaoh

Zheg wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen they just chosen to listen to the wrong people you know the streamers.

Well to be fair on ZOS end they did listen to no one on fixing PvP for 2 years and made it significantly worse/almost impossibly broken.

I will never understand why "the streamers" are looked at as a bad thing for this community by certain clueless individuals. These guys provide a ton of free advertisement for ZOS (used to, but pretty much all left) and play a ton so they understand much of what needs to be done to fix core game issues.

I agree that the rage at streamers is mostly misdirected right now, and somewhat unwarranted. The problem with your last sentence is when they also demonstrate a significant lack of knowledge on specific issues but speak on them with authority and it's then taken as gospel.

I see what you're saying, but the top streamers are still unarguably correct on at least most issues they address due to straight up 2 years PvP-specific experience. They provide their thoughts on balancing PvP toward their style of play, meaning helping small groups and punishing humongeous zergs that completely kill server performance. For example, the gap closer root (ruining solo play and any chance at evading zergs) which made "Spambush" a thing probably saw a change because it was utterly a cancer to the main streamers playstyle so tons of noise was created on the forums.

When streamers say Viscious Death is horrific, and Proxy Det's upfront damage is way too high, it lends a lot of credibility to their overall reputation because it is truely a mess of a situation on ZOS's part this patch. Many have left, and the main streamers still playing are "on and off" because of the terrible lag and imbalances coupled with painfully cheap sets like Shieldbreaker (totally fixed shieldstacking, right?) and Visious Death (one shot builds, totally stopped zergs as well right?).

I guess what I'm trying to say is, sure you don't agree with every point they make, but these guys want ESO PvP to get fixed. Sticking around due to their friends/game's now-miniscule chance at realizing its potential begins to wear out after awhile. Not a single streamer plays to witness the lag/lack of care for PvP by ZOS. Not very happy about reasonless streamer-haters lately since all of the major streamers are basically gone now.

Pray to the Nine that the Dark Brotherhood patch arrives and fixes the loads of issues with class/skill overhauls that are supposedly going to happen along with Vet rank removal!

Stratforge

Problem: Shield stacking too strong
Obvious Solution: Tweak shields to make them not as strong
ZOS Solution: Introduce a weird gimmick set

Problem: Ball zergs too strong
Obvious solution: Remove AOE Caps
ZOS Solution: Introduce a weird gimmick set

I am starting to see a pattern.

HoloYoitsu

Stratforge wrote: »

Problem: Shield stacking too strong
Obvious Solution: Tweak shields to make them not as strong
ZOS Solution: Introduce a weird gimmick set

Problem: Ball zergs too strong
Obvious solution: Remove AOE Caps
ZOS Solution: Introduce a weird gimmick set

I am starting to see a pattern.

Problem: Group healing too strong (from ZOS pov)
Obvious solution: rebalance healing skills/CP/bonuses
ZOS solution: introduce a weird gimmick set (Fasalla's Guile)

Vaoh

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Problem: Shield stacking too strong
Obvious Solution: Tweak shields to make them not as strong
ZOS Solution: Introduce a weird gimmick set

Problem: Ball zergs too strong
Obvious solution: Remove AOE Caps
ZOS Solution: Introduce a weird gimmick set

I am starting to see a pattern.

Problem: Group healing too strong (from ZOS pov)
Obvious solution: rebalance healing skills/CP/bonuses
ZOS solution: introduce a weird gimmick set (Fasalla's Guile)

Problem: Grand Soul Gems are being consumed too quickly
Obvious Solution: Introduce a mechanic bug where certain players can no longer respawn on spot after death until a future patch arrives. (Wayshrine or friendly revive only)

Problem: Too many players running Vet pledges and playing in Cyrodiil on console
Obvious Solution: Degrade game performance significantly to retain the amount of players they feel their servers can better handle No ETA.

Problem: Magicka Detonation is too difficult for us to get. Not allowed to have powerful, unique skills where you got to earn it to use it.
Obvious Solution: Allow Magicka Detonation to be unlocked by Lvl 15, plus even earlier if played right. Every Magicka build now uses Proxy Det

Aquanova

You all need to relax and enjoy some cake!

It's cake week

Obliterate

When will these threads stop, it doesn't change anything and I'm quite frankly bored of them.

HoloYoitsu

I like this game we have going, let's see...what can I find from last ESO Live?

Problem: "Prox Det paired with Vicious Death offers a great way for magicka builds to bust up zergs, what's being planned for stamina builds?"
Obvious solution: Remove AOE caps, delete Prox Det & Vicious Death from the game.
ZOS solution: "One of the changes we have planned for the next update is increasing the effectiveness of the Two Handed execute Reverse Slash against groups."

Obliterate wrote: »

When will these threads stop, it doesn't change anything and I'm quite frankly bored of them.

They can stop as soon as ZOS demonstrates an understanding of:
1. How their game functions.
2. How to balance their game.
3. How to perform proper QA for their game.

In other words: never.

Rylana

Problem - Game performance is at an all time low across a wide spectrum of players and playstyles
Obvious Solution - Optimize/fix game
ZOS Solution - Add even more high end performance-heavy elements, tell everyone to reset router.

#1.2.3

Edit: This is actually every patch, ever.

phillyboy7897

It is god awful and instead of owning up to it and committing to a change, it is downplayed and attempts are made to make it look like its the players fault.

"It's your Internet"
"it's your settings"
"it's you grouping up too much"

Dude people want to play a game just fire it up and have it work and not adapt thier play style and set up to compensate for some garbage performance. 95% of the time there is nothing you can do period

I can't even find a server with a fight that isn't lag-broken anymore.

FENGRUSH

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I like this game we have going, let's see...what can I find from last ESO Live?

Problem: "Prox Det paired with Vicious Death offers a great way for magicka builds to bust up zergs, what's being planned for stamina builds?"
Obvious solution: Remove AOE caps, delete Prox Det & Vicious Death from the game.
ZOS solution: "One of the changes we have planned for the next update is increasing the effectiveness of the Two Handed execute Reverse Slash against groups."

Obliterate wrote: »

When will these threads stop, it doesn't change anything and I'm quite frankly bored of them.

They can stop as soon as ZOS demonstrates an understanding of:
1. How their game functions.
2. How to balance their game.
3. How to perform proper QA for their game.

In other words: never.

The reverse slash response should pretty much hammer home the point that this game will never be fixed in an intelligent way without 1) change of leadership or 2) immediate community involvement in the balance process.


Neither have any remote possibility.

OdinForge

FENGRUSH wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I like this game we have going, let's see...what can I find from last ESO Live?

Problem: "Prox Det paired with Vicious Death offers a great way for magicka builds to bust up zergs, what's being planned for stamina builds?"
Obvious solution: Remove AOE caps, delete Prox Det & Vicious Death from the game.
ZOS solution: "One of the changes we have planned for the next update is increasing the effectiveness of the Two Handed execute Reverse Slash against groups."

Obliterate wrote: »

When will these threads stop, it doesn't change anything and I'm quite frankly bored of them.

They can stop as soon as ZOS demonstrates an understanding of:
1. How their game functions.
2. How to balance their game.
3. How to perform proper QA for their game.

In other words: never.

The reverse slash response should pretty much hammer home the point that this game will never be fixed in an intelligent way without 1) change of leadership or 2) immediate community involvement in the balance process.


Neither have any remote possibility.

That ship sailed a long time ago, along with most of the serious PvP guilds that realized ESO will never deliver on the QA a game needs.

Joy_Division

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I like this game we have going, let's see...what can I find from last ESO Live?

Problem: "Prox Det paired with Vicious Death offers a great way for magicka builds to bust up zergs, what's being planned for stamina builds?"
Obvious solution: Remove AOE caps, delete Prox Det & Vicious Death from the game.
ZOS solution: "One of the changes we have planned for the next update is increasing the effectiveness of the Two Handed execute Reverse Slash against groups."

I stopped watching ESO Live. Please tell me you are kidding ...

coolermh

I love this game and one patch will def not make it or break it for me. I am certain I am not the only one and people have doom and gloomed over the previous patches. This game will be fine

phillyboy7897

That's cool and it's bc u don't PvP or are one of the 'lucky ones'

For most of us just walk in to Cyrodiil and fight 60% of deaths are due to lag and the game not functioning correctly.

If you don't see the issue then you are closing your eyes.

The lag is spreading to PvE btw...

FENGRUSH

Joy_Division wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I like this game we have going, let's see...what can I find from last ESO Live?

Problem: "Prox Det paired with Vicious Death offers a great way for magicka builds to bust up zergs, what's being planned for stamina builds?"
Obvious solution: Remove AOE caps, delete Prox Det & Vicious Death from the game.
ZOS solution: "One of the changes we have planned for the next update is increasing the effectiveness of the Two Handed execute Reverse Slash against groups."

I stopped watching ESO Live. Please tell me you are kidding ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Ttp41oYYs#t=41m40s

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7Ttp41oYYs#t=41m40s

Theres a timestamp of the question and answer. Its really bad.

_Chaos

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I like this game we have going, let's see...what can I find from last ESO Live?

Problem: "Prox Det paired with Vicious Death offers a great way for magicka builds to bust up zergs, what's being planned for stamina builds?"
Obvious solution: Remove AOE caps, delete Prox Det & Vicious Death from the game.
ZOS solution: "One of the changes we have planned for the next update is increasing the effectiveness of the Two Handed execute Reverse Slash against groups."

I stopped watching ESO Live. Please tell me you are kidding ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Ttp41oYYs#t=41m40s

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7Ttp41oYYs#t=41m40s

Theres a timestamp of the question and answer. Its really bad.

LOL.
#ReverseSlice2016

Enraged_Tiki_Torch

Yeah when I heard that answer, my jaw immediately hit the floor and I am still unable to close my mouth completely.

Fengrush I will have to watch the video later. Elloa's has put me in a good mood, rather stay there for awhile.