Why Dunmer for Magicka DK?

psychotic13

Never played as a DK before, but I'm going to make on and I'm curious to know why everyone picks Dunmer?

I'm aware they get 9% Max Magicka, 6% Max Stamina and 7% flame damage, but is that better then the high elf? You still get 4% flame damage, 10% max Magicka and the recovery which I feel is important ?

Opinions? Thanks for any replies.

paul_j

both work fine for magicka. I chose dunmer because most of the skills are fire based

Mojmir

cause dunmer is the master race you filthy argonian slave.

seriously i dont know if its better than high elf,but in the early stages of the game magicka DK/vampire was pretty cool and the fire resist from racials offset the vamp negative for me.

ListerJMC

It's because in terms of dps Dunmer get more flame damage than an Altmer, and DKs use a lot of flame skills. I can't imagine Altmer being that far behind though, I really appreciate the bonus regeneration and max magicka on my Altmer DK.

Stannum

There are lots of ways to get magika recovery, but you cannot get extra flame dmg buff. So dunmers are the best with burn-burn-burn build.

Reevster

Ya my Dumer DK has 12 percent extra fire damage..... with "silks of the sun" Now just need a VR 16 set....

Brrrofski

How much extra damage does a dumner get over an altmer?

The extra regen on an altmer means you could put more into spell damage. Interesting to see which one does more damage with that in mind.

ListerJMC

Brrrofski wrote: »

How much extra damage does a dumner get over an altmer?

The extra regen on an altmer means you could put more into spell damage. Interesting to see which one does more damage with that in mind.

3% difference between the two

OrphanHelgen

Yep high elf is better then dunmer overall.
But since the meta in pve lately is resource support more then ever, people dont go regen and still have magicka and stamina up constant, and then the 3% more fire dmg with dunmer are attractive. 3% doesnt seam much, but people pick orc race because they get 4% bonus dmg to melee weapons. Thats almost the same as the dunmer dmg compared to high elf.

But if you look at usefull stats on a mage:

Dunmer: 9% max magicka + 7% fire dmg = 16% useful stats
High elf: 10% max mag, 4% dmg, 10% regen = 24% useful stats

So high elf gets 8% more mage stats then a dunmer.
Dunmer also have max stamina as passive, and fire ressist, so you can ask yourself if you want those or recovery.

Chadwikid

The extra stam is actually huge for a dk. All our skills are front line melee. Blocking dodging and break free are very important. 6% stam and 3% fir damage don't see like big numbers but when you get up into high numbers it becomes a much larger number.

Dunmer was made for magicka dk. The end.

LiquidSchwartz

Dunmer gets 9% magicka, 7% flame dmg, 6% stamina, and resistance to flame dmg. The stam is an even trade for the measly regen you get.
1- The stam is super useful for pvp because of the amount of dodge rolling and blocking needed.
2- flame resistance makes being a vampire an even trade where as on a breton or altmer you can get rekt easily from fire as a vamp. You need vamp for extra heal, stam and magicka regen, plus high dmg cheap ulti.
3- the small amount of flame dmg you get over an altmer actually makes a difference when you add in elemental expert CP.

If all that isnt enough then the final thing is the ability to switch from stam and magicka without hurting your min/max that much

Dunmer was made to be a magicka dk where altmer were made for sorcs

Acsvf

Extra damage is usually seen as better than regen.

ryanborror

magic dk has long been king of pve dps. And the people who want to do the absolute most damage have done the math and dunmer comes out ahead. For most average players, the difference between dunmer and altmer is probably hardly noticeable but dunmer is more than just high dps. Their bonuses to stamina are useful in pvp and they're the only race that has both magic and stamina, making them easy to switch between roles.

Destruent

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

Anzriel

Destruent wrote: »

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

This. The gap isn't massive for nightblade, but pretty much all of a DK's damage is fire. Even on other magicka classes you'll have wall of elements, shooting star and staff weaves for fire damage and all of them will be substantial dps. Altmer has more regen for pvp, although if I'm being honest I'd probably go Breton vampire for magdk pvp personally. I'm no expert by any means, but the extra fire damage doesn't seem to make much of a difference and the breton magicka resistance seems to benefit more than a dunmer's fire resist for some reason... Also some bonus sustain via cost reduction.

Destruent

Sure the difference is small, but there is a difference (1...3k DPS, depending on the fight and so on) and dunmer comes out on top on nonsorcs

psychotic13

Anzriel wrote: »

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Destruent wrote: »

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

This. The gap isn't massive for nightblade, but pretty much all of a DK's damage is fire. Even on other magicka classes you'll have wall of elements, shooting star and staff weaves for fire damage and all of them will be substantial dps. Altmer has more regen for pvp, although if I'm being honest I'd probably go Breton vampire for magdk pvp personally. I'm no expert by any means, but the extra fire damage doesn't seem to make much of a difference and the breton magicka resistance seems to benefit more than a dunmer's fire resist for some reason... Also some bonus sustain via cost reduction.

As a Dunmer will shooting star do more damage than ice comet?

Holy-Dope

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Yep high elf is better then dunmer overall.
But since the meta in pve lately is resource support more then ever, people dont go regen and still have magicka and stamina up constant, and then the 3% more fire dmg with dunmer are attractive. 3% doesnt seam much, but people pick orc race because they get 4% bonus dmg to melee weapons. Thats almost the same as the dunmer dmg compared to high elf.

But if you look at usefull stats on a mage:

Dunmer: 9% max magicka + 7% fire dmg = 16% useful stats
High elf: 10% max mag, 4% dmg, 10% regen = 24% useful stats

So high elf gets 8% more mage stats then a dunmer.
Dunmer also have max stamina as passive, and fire ressist, so you can ask yourself if you want those or recovery.

This is not how ESO math works when it comes to calcualting damage or comparing two classes.

L 2 Math Bra...

Anzriel

psychotic13 wrote: »

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Anzriel wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

This. The gap isn't massive for nightblade, but pretty much all of a DK's damage is fire. Even on other magicka classes you'll have wall of elements, shooting star and staff weaves for fire damage and all of them will be substantial dps. Altmer has more regen for pvp, although if I'm being honest I'd probably go Breton vampire for magdk pvp personally. I'm no expert by any means, but the extra fire damage doesn't seem to make much of a difference and the breton magicka resistance seems to benefit more than a dunmer's fire resist for some reason... Also some bonus sustain via cost reduction.

As a Dunmer will shooting star do more damage than ice comet?

As a dumner it'll boost shooting star to be around what ice comet is normally. As an altmer your ice comet would still hit a bit harder than a dunmer's shooting star. If you're talking pve I'd always go with shooting star, but that's for the ulti gen though.

Destruent wrote: »

Sure the difference is small, but there is a difference (1...3k DPS, depending on the fight and so on) and dunmer comes out on top on nonsorcs

Yeah, in pve it's a matter of min-maxing. If you don't care about it then it doesn't matter, if you do then for pve dunmer is best for magicka classes outside of sorc, and if you don't use overload then dunmer might even be better for sorc as well. Pvp it obviously is more dependent on the build you're aiming for.

Van_0S

Tbh with you all this patch is best for a Dunmer due to VD.

Foxic

Destruent wrote: »

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

Yep, i always fine it amusing when people mention high elves regen for pve as if that matter or something. From a dps perspective, dunmer is the min max choice for every magicka build except sorc. And even then a dunmer and altmer sorc would be extremely close, moreso than the other classes

Destruent

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

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Destruent wrote: »

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

Yep, i always fine it amusing when people mention high elves regen for pve as if that matter or something. From a dps perspective, dunmer is the min max choice for every magicka build except sorc. And even then a dunmer and altmer sorc would be extremely close, moreso than the other classes

i think if you don't use overload at all, dunmer coud be stronger than altmer...but with overload altmer comes out on top

Foxic

Destruent wrote: »

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TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

dunmer>>>>altmer for all pve-magicka-dps-builds except sorcerers

Yep, i always fine it amusing when people mention high elves regen for pve as if that matter or something. From a dps perspective, dunmer is the min max choice for every magicka build except sorc. And even then a dunmer and altmer sorc would be extremely close, moreso than the other classes

i think if you don't use overload at all, dunmer coud be stronger than altmer...but with overload altmer comes out on top

Of course, but for vmol shooting star is better than overload which makes the gap between the two races very small

Foxic

psychotic13 wrote: »

Never played as a DK before, but I'm going to make on and I'm curious to know why everyone picks Dunmer?

I'm aware they get 9% Max Magicka, 6% Max Stamina and 7% flame damage, but is that better then the high elf? You still get 4% flame damage, 10% max Magicka and the recovery which I feel is important ?

Opinions? Thanks for any replies.

The reason that dunmer beats out altmer is because regen doesnt matter for pve. It is your healers job to keep your resources up

Lucky28

I like Dunmer because of the magicka and stamina they get. having that extra stam is great for PvP. And in PvE there is so much fire damage, their fire defense is useful.

threefarms

cuz fire

Oreyn_Bearclaw

If you are going for flat out DPS, Dunmer for sure. The fire damage is too important. With enough CP and a proper group, sustain is just not that big of a deal. You could probably make an arguement for Altmer being better if you are soloing in PvP for the regen, but I still think I would take the extra stam. Dunmers can also play Stam if they want to.