Why did my Crit% go down after the patch?!

DangerMan

So basically, I lost ~15% crit% right after the patch and I have no idea why. My setup is almost exactly the same as before except for some simple changes:

1. New CP distribution - but I still have enough points in the required tree to get the increased crit boost.
2. Evil Hunter instead of Camo Hunter - even though evil hunter skill is only at level 1, it's still giving me the 10% Major Savagery boost.
3. Golded out my Kena helm, instead of wearing it purple.

I have no idea why I'm losing this much crit on my main bar. .. I'm not sure if I lost it due to the changes made to the DK skills.. I did make a few changes on my back bar too, but none of those affect my main bar in any way. I've been trying to figure it out for the past two days but haven't had any luck.

Did anyone else have the same problem? Any advice would be much appreciated! Thanks!

EDIT: I've only been using the Weapon Damage mundus from the start so that didn't change either.

EDIT2: So I checked the numbers again. Luckily I had a picture of my stats from before. I had 62% crit. The only thing I switch on my main bar was to use Leki's bracers instead of Night Mothers. But my main bar only had 1 piece of Night Mothers so it wasn't getting that 2 piece crit boost anyways. Currently, after the patch I'm sitting at 49.8% crit. I have no freaking idea what made it drop by that 12.2%

s7732425ub17_ESO

You lost your mundus stone buff.

DangerMan

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

You lost your mundus stone buff.

I've been using the weapon damage mundus so that shouldn't affect it in any way...

KingDuncanVII

Perhaps it has something to do with DK changes. I don't play DK so I wouldn't know but that's where I would start. Check out www.esoacademy.com to look at the changes or you can just view the patch notes for the Thieves Guild update. Best of luck to ya.

Nestor

All Mundus stones were reset by the patch that removed the multiple mundus stone exploit

DangerMan

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

Perhaps it has something to do with DK changes. I don't play DK so I wouldn't know but that's where I would start. Check out www.esoacademy.com to look at the changes or you can just view the patch notes for the Thieves Guild update. Best of luck to ya.

Even with any possible skill changes that may have affected this, the only buff I could possible lose is Minor Savagery.. I'm pretty sure even if that is the case, it wouldn't equal to the 13-15% crit that I lost..

DangerMan

Nestor wrote: »

All Mundus stones were reset by the patch that removed the multiple mundus stone exploit

I never used the twice born set so I didn't have 2 mundus buffs to begin with.. I've been only using the weapon damage mundus..

DangerMan

EDIT2: So I checked the numbers again. Luckily I had a picture of my stats from before. I had 62% crit. The only thing I switch on my main bar was to use Leki's bracers instead of Night Mothers. But my main bar only had 1 piece of Night Mothers so it wasn't getting that 2 piece crit boost anyways. Currently, after the patch I'm sitting at 49.8% crit. I have no freaking idea what made it drop by that 12.2%

bottleofsyrup

Another thread that unfortunately didn't get more attention showed Zeni broke the Medium Armor crit passive. I also lost ~10% because of it not working.

Naff

EVERYONE lost ALL mundus effects after patch. It was a full mundus reset. Was you running Thief? Have to go and pick it up again.

DangerMan

Naff wrote: »

EVERYONE lost ALL mundus effects after patch. It was a full mundus reset. Was you running Thief? Have to go and pick it up again.

No, like I said, I was running Weapon Damage mundus..

DangerMan

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Another thread that unfortunately didn't get more attention showed Zeni broke the Medium Armor crit passive. I also lost ~10% because of it not working.

That sucks.. Any info from Zeni on that??

Do you have a link to that thread by any chance?

Nestor

I am going to have to look at my Crits more carefully. It did not seem like I lost any chance and I was using the Warrior mundus on my character too.

Number_51

DangerMan wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

All Mundus stones were reset by the patch that removed the multiple mundus stone exploit

I never used the twice born set so I didn't have 2 mundus buffs to begin with.. I've been only using the weapon damage mundus..

Doesn't matter whether you used that particular exploit or not. If you play on PC...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the delay while we figured everything out.

As most of you are probably aware, in today's patch we fixed the issue where you could obtain multiple Mundus Stone buffs. Along with this fix, we can confirm that all Mundus Stone buffs were removed from all player characters. The patch note stating that only additional Mundus Stone buffs will be removed is incorrect, and will be edited for accuracy. After today's patch, you will need to reacquire your preferred Mundus Stone buff. Moving forward, you will only be allowed one Mundus Stone buff at a time, or two buffs if using the Twice-Born Star item set.

Sorry for the confusion this caused!

Sorry. Yes, I know you only use the weapon damage mundas so I am off topic. I was only addressing the first part of your statement about not using Twice-Born for anyone else that may be wondering.

DangerMan

Number_51 wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

All Mundus stones were reset by the patch that removed the multiple mundus stone exploit

I never used the twice born set so I didn't have 2 mundus buffs to begin with.. I've been only using the weapon damage mundus..

Doesn't matter whether you used that particular exploit or not. If you play on PC...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the delay while we figured everything out.

As most of you are probably aware, in today's patch we fixed the issue where you could obtain multiple Mundus Stone buffs. Along with this fix, we can confirm that all Mundus Stone buffs were removed from all player characters. The patch note stating that only additional Mundus Stone buffs will be removed is incorrect, and will be edited for accuracy. After today's patch, you will need to reacquire your preferred Mundus Stone buff. Moving forward, you will only be allowed one Mundus Stone buff at a time, or two buffs if using the Twice-Born Star item set.

Sorry for the confusion this caused!

Not on PC.. I'm on PS4

Naff

That is odd then. Haven't see a crit decrease on none of my toons. But I'm on PC.

bottleofsyrup

DangerMan wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Another thread that unfortunately didn't get more attention showed Zeni broke the Medium Armor crit passive. I also lost ~10% because of it not working.

That sucks.. Any info from Zeni on that??

Do you have a link to that thread by any chance?

Nope. The threads haven't been getting any attention so ZOS probably didn't see them. Mine's been down since the TG launch.

DangerMan

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Another thread that unfortunately didn't get more attention showed Zeni broke the Medium Armor crit passive. I also lost ~10% because of it not working.

That sucks.. Any info from Zeni on that??

Do you have a link to that thread by any chance?

Nope. The threads haven't been getting any attention so ZOS probably didn't see them. Mine's been down since the TG launch.

That sucks. .Yea I have no idea what made my crit drop.. Could be the medium armor passive. What happens when you remove your armor? Does your crit stay the same?

Dalsinthus

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Another thread that unfortunately didn't get more attention showed Zeni broke the Medium Armor crit passive. I also lost ~10% because of it not working.

Interesting. I have also noticed an unexplained decrease in crit % and this could explain it.

Autolycus

Console players are experiencing a few different visual bugs as it pertains to character sheets. In some cases , your character sheet will show more/less of a particular stat. So far, this seems to happen fairly often with spell damage, and I'm wondering if it isn't the same issue you are experiencing here. I presume that what you are seeing is purely a visual error, and that you didn't actually lose any crit. Problem is, I can't confirm this , considering I'm a PC player. If you want to test it and find out, you can always go do a very large number of light attacks on something with a bunch of health. Then use that to determine how frequently you crit, and compare it to your character sheet value. If your actual crit frequency is within a few % of the character sheet, then you might have an issue. If you're critting a lot more frequently than what you sheet says, it's probably a visual bug.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can't help these guys with their issues since the same issues don't seem to occur on PC. Given that others are having issues with their character sheets displaying incorrect values, thought you should be in on this one.

IcyDeadPeople

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Another thread that unfortunately didn't get more attention showed Zeni broke the Medium Armor crit passive. I also lost ~10% because of it not working.

Did it affect the stamina regen passive as well? I had Warrior mundus stone prior to the patch, went and got it again but now for some reason, seems like my regen is a bit lower.

Danksta

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

You lost your mundus stone buff.

If it's still showing that I'm getting it on my character page, could that still be possible? I ask because after the patch I lost about 200 weapon damage, but I still have the Warrior showing up in my buffs.

Gilliamtherogue

Are you sure you weren't in Cyrodiil (Keep bonuses give critical strike chance) when you took a picture of your stats prior?

Are you sure you aren't in a Non-CP campaign when you saw the dip? (12% bonus from the ritual tree)

Can you post screen shots of your before and after, with a break down of any sets and gear? Make sure you didn't swap off weapons with the precise trait, or moved from daggers to another weapon type. All critical chance is in line as of the Thieves Guild, however the Critical Hit Damage given from Aggressive Warhorn has been stealth reverted back to 15% instead of 30%, but CHD is not on your character sheet.

Make sure when you start a thread asking questions like this that you provide as much detail pertaining to the question, so that others and ZoS can properly break down issues, instead of just taking stabs at the dark.

Taleof2Cities

Agree, we can't help without screenshots of before and after.

You said you retained a screenshot from before ... so please post, OP.

DangerMan

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Are you sure you weren't in Cyrodiil (Keep bonuses give critical strike chance) when you took a picture of your stats prior?

Are you sure you aren't in a Non-CP campaign when you saw the dip? (12% bonus from the ritual tree)

Can you post screen shots of your before and after, with a break down of any sets and gear? Make sure you didn't swap off weapons with the precise trait, or moved from daggers to another weapon type. All critical chance is in line as of the Thieves Guild, however the Critical Hit Damage given from Aggressive Warhorn has been stealth reverted back to 15% instead of 30%, but CHD is not on your character sheet.

Make sure when you start a thread asking questions like this that you provide as much detail pertaining to the question, so that others and ZoS can properly break down issues, instead of just taking stabs at the dark.

Yes, I have a picture from before. I wasn't in Cyrodil, it's from one in Deshaan.

Once I'm home tonight I'll take a picture of the current and put both of those up. As for other info, I'm listing it out below. Any changes have been *italicized and bolded out for easy comparison:

OLD SETUP:
Main Bar: 2H (Maul - Gold) - Rally, Executioner, Wrecking Blow, Molten Armaments, *Camo Hunter - Flawless DB

Back Bar: DW (*Swords - Purple) - Whirlwind, Rending Slashes, Unstable Flame, Caltrops, Burning Breath - Standard of Might

Gear Setup:
4x Hundings Armor (Gold)
*1x Night Mothers (Purple) - Does not Apply to Main Bar
2x Molag Kena *(1 Gold, 1 Purple)
Hundings Maul (Gold - Sharpened - main bar)
*v15 1x Hundings sword & 1x Night Mothers sword (Both Purple - Precise - back bar)


NEW SETUP:
Main Bar: 2H (Maul - Gold) - Rally, Executioner, Wrecking Blow, Molten Armaments, *Evil Hunter - Flawless DB

Back Bar: DW (*1 Dagger, 1 Mace - Gold) - Whirlwind, Rending Slashes, Unstable Flame, Caltrops, Burning Breath - Standard of Might

Gear Setup:
4x Hundings Armor (Gold)
*1x Leki's (Gold) - Does not apply to Main Bar
2x Molag Kena *(Gold)
Hundings Maul (Gold - Sharpened - main bar)
*v16 1x Hundings mace & 1x Leki's Dagger (Both Gold - Precise & Sharpened - back bar)

OrphanHelgen

only thing missing from your checks are your weapons. If you have precice traits. also if you did respec, you lost your dual vield passives with crit for each daggers.

DangerMan

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

only thing missing from your checks are your weapons. If you have precice traits. also if you did respec, you lost your dual vield passives with crit for each daggers.

Added the traits of the weapons too. But like I said, my main bar had 2H Maul with Sharpened, and I did not switch that out. So the crit on my main bar should not have changed due to any DW passives..

Greiver

DangerMan wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Are you sure you weren't in Cyrodiil (Keep bonuses give critical strike chance) when you took a picture of your stats prior?

Are you sure you aren't in a Non-CP campaign when you saw the dip? (12% bonus from the ritual tree)

Can you post screen shots of your before and after, with a break down of any sets and gear? Make sure you didn't swap off weapons with the precise trait, or moved from daggers to another weapon type. All critical chance is in line as of the Thieves Guild, however the Critical Hit Damage given from Aggressive Warhorn has been stealth reverted back to 15% instead of 30%, but CHD is not on your character sheet.

Make sure when you start a thread asking questions like this that you provide as much detail pertaining to the question, so that others and ZoS can properly break down issues, instead of just taking stabs at the dark.

Yes, I have a picture from before. I wasn't in Cyrodil, it's from one in Deshaan.

Once I'm home tonight I'll take a picture of the current and put both of those up. As for other info, I'm listing it out below. Any changes have been *italicized and bolded out for easy comparison:

OLD SETUP:
Main Bar: 2H (Maul - Gold) - Rally, Executioner, Wrecking Blow, Molten Armaments, *Camo Hunter - Flawless DB

Back Bar: DW (*Swords - Purple) - Whirlwind, Rending Slashes, Unstable Flame, Caltrops, Burning Breath - Standard of Might

Gear Setup:
4x Hundings Armor (Gold)
*1x Night Mothers (Purple) - Does not Apply to Main Bar
2x Molag Kena *(1 Gold, 1 Purple)
Hundings Maul (Gold - Sharpened - main bar)
*v15 1x Hundings sword & 1x Night Mothers sword (Both Purple - Precise - back bar)


NEW SETUP:
Main Bar: 2H (Maul - Gold) - Rally, Executioner, Wrecking Blow, Molten Armaments, *Evil Hunter - Flawless DB

Back Bar: DW (*1 Dagger, 1 Mace - Gold) - Whirlwind, Rending Slashes, Unstable Flame, Caltrops, Burning Breath - Standard of Might

Gear Setup:
4x Hundings Armor (Gold)
*1x Leki's (Gold) - Does not apply to Main Bar
2x Molag Kena *(Gold)
Hundings Maul (Gold - Sharpened - main bar)
*v16 1x Hundings mace & 1x Leki's Dagger (Both Gold - Precise & Sharpened - back bar)

Does evil hunter give a critical chance bonus for having it slotted like camo hunter? Could be part of the issue.

DangerMan

Greiver wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Are you sure you weren't in Cyrodiil (Keep bonuses give critical strike chance) when you took a picture of your stats prior?

Are you sure you aren't in a Non-CP campaign when you saw the dip? (12% bonus from the ritual tree)

Can you post screen shots of your before and after, with a break down of any sets and gear? Make sure you didn't swap off weapons with the precise trait, or moved from daggers to another weapon type. All critical chance is in line as of the Thieves Guild, however the Critical Hit Damage given from Aggressive Warhorn has been stealth reverted back to 15% instead of 30%, but CHD is not on your character sheet.

Make sure when you start a thread asking questions like this that you provide as much detail pertaining to the question, so that others and ZoS can properly break down issues, instead of just taking stabs at the dark.

Yes, I have a picture from before. I wasn't in Cyrodil, it's from one in Deshaan.

Once I'm home tonight I'll take a picture of the current and put both of those up. As for other info, I'm listing it out below. Any changes have been *italicized and bolded out for easy comparison:

OLD SETUP:
Main Bar: 2H (Maul - Gold) - Rally, Executioner, Wrecking Blow, Molten Armaments, *Camo Hunter - Flawless DB

Back Bar: DW (*Swords - Purple) - Whirlwind, Rending Slashes, Unstable Flame, Caltrops, Burning Breath - Standard of Might

Gear Setup:
4x Hundings Armor (Gold)
*1x Night Mothers (Purple) - Does not Apply to Main Bar
2x Molag Kena *(1 Gold, 1 Purple)
Hundings Maul (Gold - Sharpened - main bar)
*v15 1x Hundings sword & 1x Night Mothers sword (Both Purple - Precise - back bar)


NEW SETUP:
Main Bar: 2H (Maul - Gold) - Rally, Executioner, Wrecking Blow, Molten Armaments, *Evil Hunter - Flawless DB

Back Bar: DW (*1 Dagger, 1 Mace - Gold) - Whirlwind, Rending Slashes, Unstable Flame, Caltrops, Burning Breath - Standard of Might

Gear Setup:
4x Hundings Armor (Gold)
*1x Leki's (Gold) - Does not apply to Main Bar
2x Molag Kena *(Gold)
Hundings Maul (Gold - Sharpened - main bar)
*v16 1x Hundings mace & 1x Leki's Dagger (Both Gold - Precise & Sharpened - back bar)

Does evil hunter give a critical chance bonus for having it slotted like camo hunter? Could be part of the issue.

Yes, it does. Same (10%) bonus.

Nestor

DangerMan wrote: »

Once I'm home tonight I'll take a picture of the current and put both of those up. As for other info, I'm listing it out below. Any changes have been *italicized and bolded out for easy comparison:

Also, do the test where you do a bunch light attacks like suggested above and see how many times you crit. This could very well be a Tool Tip issue so it's not showing you all the crit chance you have. For a while on the PC, we were not seeing all the Critical Chance we really had, but it was proccing just fine.

OrphanHelgen

I dont see how you can have 62% crit with a 2H sharpened and no crit mundus.