proof- twice born star does not work

hibbles

well finally after 8 months of research time I have gotten to create my 1st twice born set. excited to give it a test run and with the new feature of showing damage for the xbox platform, I was hoping to see a major change. I was disappointed. I set up my nightblade to use the thief and the shadow, the shadow is supposed to increase critical damage. so off I went to test. I am in eastmarch killing trolls and taking a large sample of critical done. while using the twice born side of my skill line my critical damage was steady at 5040 using ambush. I have my other bar set up the exact same way, the only difference being, my two weapons are not twice born, and two levels lower than my new weapons on the twice born skill line side. to my surprise. using the exact attack on the same npc's my critical damage actually went up to 5480. so by actually adding the shadow which increases critical damage, it lowered it..what in the world is eso doing to these number percentage

in short having the twice born set with the thief and shadow lowered my critical damage. I am better off not using it. I encourage all everyone using the twice born set to set Identical skill bars, the only difference being your second skill bar uses has one item taking away the twice born perk. you will see this set is broken and does not work. I can post videos and screen shots of my character to prove eso has dropped the ball on this set

Inarre

What weapons are you running on your other bar, and what skills?

MissBizz

":the only difference being your second skill bar uses has one item taking away the twice born perk. "

You know... if you wear a full twice born set and include your weapon... then swap to a non twice born set it removes your second mundus stone.. and does NOT give it back when you swap back to the twice born weapon right? If you remove (or swap from) your 5th piece of twice born.. you have to go get the 2nd stone again. Just wanted to clarify, but maybe you knew that and I was misunderstanding.

daemonios

When you remove twice born, you lose your second mundus stone, and to get it back you need to revisit the shrine. I'm not proficient with this set to say for sure if this happens when you don't have 5 pieces regardless of which weapon you're using, but that might be the case.

On the PC if you open your character screen you can see which mundus you have active. Have you checked if you're keeping both mundus stones when you switch bars? It might be that you lose the second mundus as you switch bars, and don't get it back when you switch to your previous bar.

magictucktuck

Also enchantments?

hibbles

hibbles wrote: »

well finally after 8 months of research time I have gotten to create my 1st twice born set. excited to give it a test run and with the new feature of showing damage for the xbox platform, I was hoping to see a major change. I was disappointed. I set up my nightblade to use the thief and the shadow, the shadow is supposed to increase critical damage. so off I went to test. I am in eastmarch killing trolls and taking a large sample of critical done. while using the twice born side of my skill line my critical damage was steady at 5040 using ambush. I have my other bar set up the exact same way, the only difference being, my two weapons are not twice born, and two levels lower than my new weapons on the twice born skill line side. to my surprise. using the exact attack on the same npc's my critical damage actually went up to 5480. so by actually adding the shadow which increases critical damage, it lowered it..what in the world is eso doing to these number percentage

in short having the twice born set with the thief and shadow lowered my critical damage. I am better off not using it. I encourage all everyone using the twice born set to set Identical skill bars, the only difference being your second skill bar uses has one item taking away the twice born perk. you will see this set is broken and does not work. I can post videos and screen shots of my character to prove eso has dropped the ball on this set

I just ran a second test on the same skill line that has twice born I remove my chest armor which is my 5ht twice born piece with my older chest plate two levels lower. in effect negating the shadow effect, again on the same npc's my critical damage actually went up 225 points

iam117

if im understanding this right your running tbs on one bar and not on the other? so your using tbs weapons on one side and something else on the other? if you dont have 5 pc of tbs on both bars you lose the buff and it will not come back till you go assign a second mundus again. the best way to keep tbs buff is to run 5pc of tbs as armor and run your other sets as weapon/head/shoulder.

it could also be that you have certain skills that allow for specific buffs (like an assassination) on one bar and not the other, this will cause your crit to fluctuate as well. could you give more details on your build? what armor pieces are where and what skills you have slotted on both bars?

Spearshard

The thing with twice born, it is is a bit more niche than the norm. I tried the set and found I was getting slightly less damage than using hundings. The problem is that hunding gives you about the se crit chance as the thief mundus, as well as the additional stamina and weapon power. Twice born can be useful in other builds that require more flexibility. Such as, I have briarheart jewlery, and briarheart is essentially the same as hunding except for the 5th bonus. So with briarheart, I can get higher crit chance, use twice born to gain the same crit as adding hunding, or forgot that for two other bonuses since Briar is giving you crit and bonus damage. So it is useful...just not necessarily in the way you are thinking it will be.

hibbles

Inarre wrote: »

What weapons are you running on your other bar, and what skills?

I am running Identical weapons on both skill trees, the difference being the two axes vet 9 on skill line 1 are twice born. on skill tree two they are my older night mother set vet 7

laksikus

Answer was already given tbs working as intened. Error was with you. Weapon swap remives second mundus if you dont have tbs on both bars

hibbles

liv3mind wrote: »

if im understanding this right your running tbs on one bar and not on the other? so your using tbs weapons on one side and something else on the other? if you dont have 5 pc of tbs on both bars you lose the buff and it will not come back till you go assign a second mundus again. the best way to keep tbs buff is to run 5pc of tbs as armor and run your other sets as weapon/head/shoulder.

it could also be that you have certain skills that allow for specific buffs (like an assassination) on one bar and not the other, this will cause your crit to fluctuate as well. could you give more details on your build? what armor pieces are where and what skills you have slotted on both bars?

ok yes I just saw that was the case, thanks for pointing it out. I will redo the test on the same npc's renewing the 2nd mundus each time. thanks for that bit of info

hibbles

ok so I have tried the same skill tree line with and without the active effect. I am still getting 5080 critical damage regardless with and without

hibbles

MissBizz wrote: »

":the only difference being your second skill bar uses has one item taking away the twice born perk. "

You know... if you wear a full twice born set and include your weapon... then swap to a non twice born set it removes your second mundus stone.. and does NOT give it back when you swap back to the twice born weapon right? If you remove (or swap from) your 5th piece of twice born.. you have to go get the 2nd stone again. Just wanted to clarify, but maybe you knew that and I was misunderstanding.

I didn't know that, so I have re-ran the test again. without the boon my critical is 5080. I went and put the boon back on and the critical is still 5080. I would have assumed the critical should of yup with the boon, but it didnt

hibbles

hibbles wrote: »

well finally after 8 months of research time I have gotten to create my 1st twice born set. excited to give it a test run and with the new feature of showing damage for the xbox platform, I was hoping to see a major change. I was disappointed. I set up my nightblade to use the thief and the shadow, the shadow is supposed to increase critical damage. so off I went to test. I am in eastmarch killing trolls and taking a large sample of critical done. while using the twice born side of my skill line my critical damage was steady at 5040 using ambush. I have my other bar set up the exact same way, the only difference being, my two weapons are not twice born, and two levels lower than my new weapons on the twice born skill line side. to my surprise. using the exact attack on the same npc's my critical damage actually went up to 5480. so by actually adding the shadow which increases critical damage, it lowered it..what in the world is eso doing to these number percentage

in short having the twice born set with the thief and shadow lowered my critical damage. I am better off not using it. I encourage all everyone using the twice born set to set Identical skill bars, the only difference being your second skill bar uses has one item taking away the twice born perk. you will see this set is broken and does not work. I can post videos and screen shots of my character to prove eso has dropped the ball on this set

so I have performed this test 4 times now, running back to the mundus stones each time to renew the boons of thief and shadow. no matter what I do with or without the two boons my critical is staying at 5080.

daemonios

hibbles wrote: »

hibbles wrote: »

well finally after 8 months of research time I have gotten to create my 1st twice born set. excited to give it a test run and with the new feature of showing damage for the xbox platform, I was hoping to see a major change. I was disappointed. I set up my nightblade to use the thief and the shadow, the shadow is supposed to increase critical damage. so off I went to test. I am in eastmarch killing trolls and taking a large sample of critical done. while using the twice born side of my skill line my critical damage was steady at 5040 using ambush. I have my other bar set up the exact same way, the only difference being, my two weapons are not twice born, and two levels lower than my new weapons on the twice born skill line side. to my surprise. using the exact attack on the same npc's my critical damage actually went up to 5480. so by actually adding the shadow which increases critical damage, it lowered it..what in the world is eso doing to these number percentage

in short having the twice born set with the thief and shadow lowered my critical damage. I am better off not using it. I encourage all everyone using the twice born set to set Identical skill bars, the only difference being your second skill bar uses has one item taking away the twice born perk. you will see this set is broken and does not work. I can post videos and screen shots of my character to prove eso has dropped the ball on this set

so I have performed this test 4 times now, running back to the mundus stones each time to renew the boons of thief and shadow. no matter what I do with or without the two boons my critical is staying at 5080.

Which mundus are you losing when you lose TBS? If you're losing the Thief and keeping Shadow, your crit damage will always stay the same, but you'll crit less often.

hibbles

laksikus wrote: »

Answer was already given tbs working as intened. Error was with you. Weapon swap remives second mundus if you dont have tbs on both bars

I have re-ran the test 4 times now re-adding the boons each time. the critical remains at 5080 with and without the added mundus on the same skill line. I can post screenshots of my character sheet with corresponding video clips that show no matter combination I use it remains 5080

phaneub17_ESO

I say post screenshots of your gear so we can see what traits you're using with each swap. It may also help your testing if you created a set with no traits at all and test the differences.

Paulington

Why would you make Twice-Born weapons if both bars don't use them? You lose your Mundus every single time you swap.

However I can confirm the OP, kill #1 was with Thief + Shadow and kill #2 was just Thief.



EDIT: Oddly enough, having JUST the Shadow allows it to work even whilst wearing TBS but it doesn't seem to be giving the damage increase it should.

With Shadow working I get 24,207 damage with is a 10.5% increase over Thief. Shadow itself gives 11% + I have 7 Divines pieces so it should give an 18.25% increase.

hibbles

Paulington wrote: »

Why would you make Twice-Born weapons if both bars don't use them? You lose your Mundus every single time you swap.

However I can confirm the OP, kill #1 was with Thief + Shadow and kill #2 was just Thief.



I don't think it's TBS, I think the Shadow isn't working.

something definitely isn't working with the thief shadow combo. I am wondering if eso nerfed this combo because it made the nightblade to strong. I was looking forward to my 80% crit with increased crit damage. I guess that will never happen now. thanks eso

DschiPeunt

Paulington wrote: »

Why would you make Twice-Born weapons if both bars don't use them? You lose your Mundus every single time you swap.

However I can confirm the OP, kill #1 was with Thief + Shadow and kill #2 was just Thief.



I don't think it's TBS, I think the Shadow isn't working.

Seriously? Well, WTS 5 piece legendary TBS equip then. Anyone contacted ZOS already?

hibbles

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I say post screenshots of your gear so we can see what traits you're using with each swap. It may also help your testing if you created a set with no traits at all and test the differences.

that's what I did at first. then I was told changing bars disables the boon if you switch back and forth and one is not twice born, In effect you must have both your bars twice born.

so I have re ran the test now 4 times with and without the mundus boons on the same skill bar. renewing the boons each and every time. each test I ran the crit damage remained at 5080 with no variance at all. a post further down is showing with screen shots that the shadow mundus stone may not be working in this combination

hibbles

DschiPeunt wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Why would you make Twice-Born weapons if both bars don't use them? You lose your Mundus every single time you swap.

However I can confirm the OP, kill #1 was with Thief + Shadow and kill #2 was just Thief.



I don't think it's TBS, I think the Shadow isn't working.

Seriously? Well, WTS 5 piece legendary TBS equip then. Anyone contacted ZOS already?

by the way through this conversation I just learned that both bars have to be twice born. that's why I re-ran the test 4 times and without doubt my critical damage is remaining static at 5080 with and without the boons.

Paulington

Now I got rid of Thief, replaced it with Shadow and then re-equipped Thief my damage has stayed increased by Shadow.

EDIT: Yep, after unequipping TBS and re-obtaining both Mundus stones in both orders I now have the "full" damage increase I should do. Not sure what caused this bug.

DschiPeunt

Paulington wrote: »

Now I got rid of Thief, replaced it with Shadow and then re-equipped Thief my damage has stayed increased by Shadow.

EDIT: Yep, after unequipping TBS and re-obtaining both Mundus stones in both orders I now have the "full" damage increase I should do. Not sure what caused this bug.

The fact, that the "programmers" at ZOS don't give up until they finally made everything in the game buggy.

Paulington

Possibly, but I cannot replicate this bug now since I regained my Mundus stones. I've tried different orders, different stones and most things I can think of.

I guess I'll try again tomorrow and see if I "lose" the buff at any point.

hibbles

you are going to love this. I decided to run another test with champion points I place all my points into the precise strike maxing it out at 25% same npcs my crit went down to 4993 with both boons on.

hibbles

DschiPeunt wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

Now I got rid of Thief, replaced it with Shadow and then re-equipped Thief my damage has stayed increased by Shadow.

EDIT: Yep, after unequipping TBS and re-obtaining both Mundus stones in both orders I now have the "full" damage increase I should do. Not sure what caused this bug.

The fact, that the "programmers" at ZOS don't give up until they finally made everything in the game buggy.

I will go and try this

hibbles

Paulington wrote: »

Now I got rid of Thief, replaced it with Shadow and then re-equipped Thief my damage has stayed increased by Shadow.

EDIT: Yep, after unequipping TBS and re-obtaining both Mundus stones in both orders I now have the "full" damage increase I should do. Not sure what caused this bug.

ok I am trying this now I just ran a test without the boon and just the shadow the crit was 5643..i am heading over to place the thief and re-engage the armor...............................ok thief is now loaded on under shadow........ok the dame is now statuc at 5192....I am taking off the thief and just using the shadow ............my damage is now back up to 5643..i don't know something is seriously buggy with this combo. but yes having the shadow first increased the damage. but having the shadow and thief dealt less damage than just having the shadow stand alone

krseb17_ESO

Switching weapons with TBS to/from a shield with divines does not change any bonuses, having two shields with divines give double the bonus, i.e both shield divides are active at the same time.