Magicka trops, stamina det, vicious death in medium?

Shadzilla

Title pretty much says it all... Think we would all benefit from caltrops and detonation having both a stamina and magicka morph each. As well as a medium armor stam version of vicious death... Implementing these changes would give cyro much more diversity. Getting very jealous watching mag det + vicious death mangling dozens of enemies in a second... This should not be only attainable as magicka. Yes wrecking blow is OP as well, we all know it needs a nerf.

TheValkyn

I'd say that vicious death and prox det need tweaks first before another version of them are made.

DKsUnite

so just reroll magicka? you do realise how stupid pvp would become if they did that? Everyone would have the same exact build.

Shadzilla

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd say that vicious death and prox det need tweaks first before another version of them are made.

I can agree with that to a certain extent... Regardless, if stamina had access to det and vicious it would still give us much more diversity. I know next patch is going to focus on giving stamina a boost so figured id throw out my ideas.

Shadzilla

DKsUnite wrote: »

so just reroll magicka? you do realise how stupid pvp would become if they did that? Everyone would have the same exact build.

Isnt that the case right now? Call me crazy but all I see is 90% magicka builds running vicious death and magicka det.

TheValkyn

Shadzilla wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd say that vicious death and prox det need tweaks first before another version of them are made.

I can agree with that to a certain extent... Regardless, if stamina had access to det and vicious it would still give us much more diversity. I know next patch is going to focus on giving stamina a boost so figured id throw out my ideas.

More diversity? So not only would magicka users be running det->vicious death set ups but now stamina users would utilize the same? That's not diversity. That's homogenization.

Shadzilla

TheValkyn wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

I'd say that vicious death and prox det need tweaks first before another version of them are made.

I can agree with that to a certain extent... Regardless, if stamina had access to det and vicious it would still give us much more diversity. I know next patch is going to focus on giving stamina a boost so figured id throw out my ideas.

More diversity? So not only would magicka users be running det->vicious death set ups but now stamina users would utilize the same? That's not diversity. That's homogenization.

It would let stamina users excel the way magicka users do, on both ends of the spectrum. Det has been arguably the best ability forever. Combined with vicious its just so OP. I love the way it mangles ball groups, dont get me wrong. I think its great for the game. The thing that I don't agree with, is that it isn't available to stam users.

Vaoh

Stamina BoL, Magicka Vigor, Stamina Velocious Curse, Stamina Bolt Escape, Stamina Meteor, Magicka Wrecking Blow.... What else?

Listen OP, I am sure you would not mind if all abilities had a Magicka and Stamina morph, but it would ruin everything. Let them both be unique with their own abilities instead of literally every character running the exact same thing.

Shadzilla

Doncellius wrote: »

Stamina BoL, Magicka Vigor, Stamina Velocious Curse, Stamina Bolt Escape, Stamina Meteor, Magicka Wrecking Blow.... What else?

Listen OP, I am sure you would not mind if all abilities had a Magicka and Stamina morph, but it would ruin everything. Let them both be unique with their own abilities instead of literally every character running the exact same thing.

stamina healing ward

Vangy

Im hoping that DB brings some cool weapon ultimates that compare to magicka det and vicious death.

Ie maybe a 2H ultimate like whirlwind that obliterates ball groups etc. Like ur toon starts spinning around with his 2H sword that drains ultimate the way overload does. Toggle off and on. That would be frigging awesome. You could burn thru ball groups even without vicious death lol.

For now tho, ive already made a magblade and sorc running VD + juli + proxy lol... The only thing stam is still reasonable for is duels and running one or 2 support bombard builds with caltrops in a group of 12-20. Literally 0 reason to bring more stam users then that. Even steel nado dosent do the ridiculous damage that proxy + VD + ult (batswarm/soul tether) does. And a huge portion of mag users were complaining about how OP steel nado was. Now in cyro 90% of aoe spammers are the proxy + suicide magbombblades.

This isnt diversity lol. This is discrimination. There's a distinct difference. Im not saying we need stam prox or stam VD, but things need to be brought in line lol. Even the phy resist CP being introduced was ridiculous cos 99% of ults in this game are magicka anyway. What's more is most class skills are magicka. Stamina had always done more damage due to CP being that way but the trade off was utility and sustain that magicka got due to their superior options. Thats gone to poo with TG tho. However, Im fine with giving CP phy resist but at least make some phy ultimates and class skills stam pretty please?

Bossdonut

ITT: mag sorcs viciously defending their op builds and shutting down ideas for improvement so they can remain OP.

D0ntevenL1ft

Doncellius wrote: »

Stamina BoL, Magicka Vigor, Stamina Velocious Curse, Stamina Bolt Escape, Stamina Meteor, Magicka Wrecking Blow.... What else?

Listen OP, I am sure you would not mind if all abilities had a Magicka and Stamina morph, but it would ruin everything. Let them both be unique with their own abilities instead of literally every character running the exact same thing.

Those are all (mostly) class skills and not alliance rank skills and therefore don't even reflect the point OP is making. Stamina doesn't need exactly det but they do need a Zerg buster. Balance isn't having no fear of a stam user while running around in a ball group.

Shadzilla

Vangy wrote: »

Im hoping that DB brings some cool weapon ultimates that compare to magicka det and vicious death.

Ie maybe a 2H ultimate like whirlwind that obliterates ball groups etc. Like ur toon starts spinning around with his 2H sword that drains ultimate the way overload does. Toggle off and on. That would be frigging awesome. You could burn thru ball groups even without vicious death lol.

For now tho, ive already made a magblade and sorc running VD + juli + proxy lol... The only thing stam is still reasonable for is duels and running one or 2 support bombard builds with caltrops in a group of 12-20. Literally 0 reason to bring more stam users then that. Even steel nado dosent do the ridiculous damage that proxy + VD + ult (batswarm/soul tether) does. And a huge portion of mag users were complaining about how OP steel nado was. Now in cyro 90% of aoe spammers are the proxy + suicide magbombblades.

This isnt diversity lol. This is discrimination. There's a distinct difference. Im not saying we need stam prox or stam VD, but things need to be brought in line lol. Even the phy resist CP being introduced was ridiculous cos 99% of ults in this game are magicka anyway. What's more is most class skills are magicka. Stamina had always done more damage due to CP being that way but the trade off was utility and sustain that magicka got due to their superior options. Thats gone to poo with TG tho. However, Im fine with giving CP phy resist but at least make some phy ultimates and class skills stam pretty please?

Agree with most things you point out here. I really do hope they fix stamina in DB. You know its sad when the best stamina sets there are.... have been craftable since launch. Magicka det was OP since forever, but making it so damn easy to get for everyone PLUS throwing out vicious death set? So one sided.

dday3six

I don't feel that balance is to just have every skill have a magicka and a stamina version. I think both options should have powerful, yet differently functioning choices.

DisgracefulMind

No.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

What I'd like to know is why you can't be bothered to type out the words "caltrops" and "detonation".

Totalitarian

Doncellius wrote: »

Stamina BoL, Magicka Vigor, Stamina Velocious Curse, Stamina Bolt Escape, Stamina Meteor, Magicka Wrecking Blow.... What else?

Well, we have some of these things, albeit slightly different :

Magicka Wrecking Blow: Dark Flare (for Templars) gives up CC for range and healing debuff. But keeps high damage, channel time, and empower.

Stamina Meteor: Meteor scales off of highest resource pool/item damage. But I suppose you mean a physical damage version.

Magicka Vigor: Grand Healing+morphs works similarly


I'm not concerned too much about build diversity because plenty of stamina skills have magicka counterparts.

[anyone bringing up counterexamples will make me cry]

Shadzilla

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

What I'd like to know is why you can't be bothered to type out the words "caltrops" and "detonation".

eye dew sumtimez, duhpenz hao eye pheel

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Shadzilla wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

What I'd like to know is why you can't be bothered to type out the words "caltrops" and "detonation".

eye dew sumtimez, duhpenz hao eye pheel

DAMMIT! I never win this game.

LOL!

Vaoh

Totalitarian wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Stamina BoL, Magicka Vigor, Stamina Velocious Curse, Stamina Bolt Escape, Stamina Meteor, Magicka Wrecking Blow.... What else?

Well, we have some of these things, albeit slightly different :

Magicka Wrecking Blow: Dark Flare (for Templars) gives up CC for range and healing debuff. But keeps high damage, channel time, and empower.

Stamina Meteor: Meteor scales off of highest resource pool/item damage. But I suppose you mean a physical damage version.

Magicka Vigor: Grand Healing+morphs works similarly


I'm not concerned too much about build diversity because plenty of stamina skills have magicka counterparts.

[anyone bringing up counterexamples will make me cry]

We won't agree on much regarding this topic after seeing you comment this. I 100% believe build diversity is the most important thing that RPGs need to have, but yeah. Whatevs. Lol

Tan9oSuccka

DKsUnite wrote: »

so just reroll magicka? you do realise how stupid pvp would become if they did that? Everyone would have the same exact build.

They already do.

Get your shield stack n' proxy detonation on!

Pure skill brah.

LorDrek

Lol NO.

ku5h

Why dont we just have STAMGICA and base all skills of it, right? Hell no.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

ku5h wrote: »

Why dont we just have STAMGICA and base all skills of it, right? Hell no.

STAMGICA sounds like the PERFECT concept for an ESO drag queen.

Obviously Breton...

Emma_Overload

OP can have all that when there are magicka versions of Break Free and Roll Dodge.

DschiPeunt

Whenever someone on the forums brings up, that something should be nerfed, there is at least one comment like "EVERYONE ALWAYS ASKS FOR NERFS. STOP THE *** QQ FFS."

In my mind, there are a lot of skills in the game, that should have been nerfed by now, but everytime something does get a nerf there are 10+ threads, how this will kill the class. Want an example? Look, how the BoL nerf, that came with the TG DLC, "killed the templar as healer class". Well, it didn't. With the changes to the templar passives (i.e. major mending buff), the templars in fact got a buff heal-wise with the patch, but everyone was going crazy about the BoL nerf.

I don't think OP really wants a stamina version of all these things. But they would need a nerf. VD is just as stupid as the shield breaker set was. Instead of doing something about the underlying problem, they release a set, which is supposed to fix the problem (Zergballs/shield stacking).


Oh and btw: do you remember, why there is a julianos set? Exactly! Because people found it unfair, that stamina users had hunding's rage as craftable set and there was not a comparable magicka set, that could be crafted.

acw37162

How about battle spirit not affecting you off damage type?

Off hand I'm not sure how it could be abused although I'm sure someone could figure out a way to break it.

In other words for a stamina build your proxy tooltip is not cut in half.

For magica caltrops would tick for full amount and not be sliced in half.

Personally I really don't want magica and stamina playing exactly the same but stamina needs a Zerg busting ability in Dark Brotherhood.

Shadzilla

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

so just reroll magicka? you do realise how stupid pvp would become if they did that? Everyone would have the same exact build.

They already do.

Get your shield stack n' proxy detonation on!

Pure skill brah.

So sad how many people in general, literally have to reroll magicka to be competitive in this patch. Zenimax should have seperate leaderboards for vma stamina...

Shadzilla

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

OP can have all that when there are magicka versions of Break Free and Roll Dodge.

Wish we had the ability to completely ignore how much health we had, and just stack everything possible into 45k stamina... Then pop insane stamina shields right in your face constantly.

Shadzilla

DschiPeunt wrote: »

Whenever someone on the forums brings up, that something should be nerfed, there is at least one comment like "EVERYONE ALWAYS ASKS FOR NERFS. STOP THE *** QQ FFS."

In my mind, there are a lot of skills in the game, that should have been nerfed by now, but everytime something does get a nerf there are 10+ threads, how this will kill the class. Want an example? Look, how the BoL nerf, that came with the TG DLC, "killed the templar as healer class". Well, it didn't. With the changes to the templar passives (i.e. major mending buff), the templars in fact got a buff heal-wise with the patch, but everyone was going crazy about the BoL nerf.

I don't think OP really wants a stamina version of all these things. But they would need a nerf. VD is just as stupid as the shield breaker set was. Instead of doing something about the underlying problem, they release a set, which is supposed to fix the problem (Zergballs/shield stacking).


Oh and btw: do you remember, why there is a julianos set? Exactly! Because people found it unfair, that stamina users had hunding's rage as craftable set and there was not a comparable magicka set, that could be crafted.

VD compared to shield breaker... VD dismantles zergs and ball groups... People explode for insane damage when you kill them... Shield breaker is only single target and only applies to people running shields... Does not mangle/destroy zergs. Please do not compare these two sets...

Julianos point I cannot agree more with... In that case they made a complete clone of the set, but for magicka users. I am asking for them to do the same with vicious.

DschiPeunt

Shadzilla wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

Whenever someone on the forums brings up, that something should be nerfed, there is at least one comment like "EVERYONE ALWAYS ASKS FOR NERFS. STOP THE *** QQ FFS."

In my mind, there are a lot of skills in the game, that should have been nerfed by now, but everytime something does get a nerf there are 10+ threads, how this will kill the class. Want an example? Look, how the BoL nerf, that came with the TG DLC, "killed the templar as healer class". Well, it didn't. With the changes to the templar passives (i.e. major mending buff), the templars in fact got a buff heal-wise with the patch, but everyone was going crazy about the BoL nerf.

I don't think OP really wants a stamina version of all these things. But they would need a nerf. VD is just as stupid as the shield breaker set was. Instead of doing something about the underlying problem, they release a set, which is supposed to fix the problem (Zergballs/shield stacking).


Oh and btw: do you remember, why there is a julianos set? Exactly! Because people found it unfair, that stamina users had hunding's rage as craftable set and there was not a comparable magicka set, that could be crafted.

VD compared to shield breaker... VD dismantles zergs and ball groups... People explode for insane damage when you kill them... Shield breaker is only single target and only applies to people running shields... Does not mangle/destroy zergs. Please do not compare these two sets...

I am comparing them in the way, that they are both a lazy way to deal with PvP problems. I am aware, that shield breaker is not a zergbuster set. But instead of doing something mechanics-wise to make zergs less powerful, they release a set, that is supposed to be a counter to zerging and *BIG SUPRISE* it backfired horribly.