ZOS is prejudice

sirrmattus

Against the color blind.

So many other games do things to help the color blind. You guys cant even implement the smallest things to help. DO SOMETHING!!

Voxicity

What's worse is how they don't even make the game accessible for fire breathing gerbil gamers

Nerouyn

I don't know anything about the colour blindness situation but racial bonuses are a prejudiced throwback. I cringe every time I see that loading screen with "Altmer make the best spellslingers".

Gedalya

sirrmattus wrote: »

Against the color blind.

So many other games do things to help the color blind. You guys cant even implement the smallest things to help. DO SOMETHING!!

I agree that there would be a benefit to providing changes to those with special needs. Hopefully bug fixes won't completely to away from the attention something like this deserves.

JD2013

Sweeping statements and generalisations will definitely make them inclined to do something for you.

WldKarde

JD2013 wrote: »

Sweeping statements and generalisations will definitely make them inclined to do something for you.

Agreed.

I know there have been posts about this in the past, and since I'm not color blind, does anyone want want to offer some suggestions for ZOS on how they might make their game more friendly for those who are? Seems like a legitimate issue to me.

sirrmattus

I wouldnt mind much. But doing vma is where it really hurts. THE COLORS DUKE!! THE COLORS!!!!!!!!

NO ETA!

CaptainVenom

Did you try to send a suggestion via ticket? It could work.

sirrmattus

even ftp games help the visually impared

Count_Dracula

I'm red-green colorblind and I have no issues with this game. What are you experiencing exactly?

sirrmattus

Count_Dracula wrote: »

I'm red-green colorblind and I have no issues with this game. What are you experiencing exactly?

Having problems seeing the red circles. They blend with most floors. The green air on stage 7. Some of the glowing effects in various mobs various stages. Real hard to see spiders on stage 6.

Spacemonkey

The only thing I can possibly think of that would be bad for color blindness is the AoE circle markers (red = bad, etc...), any cone marker is bad, always, and most ally markers will have noticeable particle effects on them too (healing etc...) - They honestly should ALL have a pattern (like the templar rune or the Fighters Guild circle etc...)

So it sucks a bit, just run out of any non recognizable particle effect AoE circle, all the time. It shouldnt be that big of a deal. Are there other circumstances i'm missing?

OOOOh. Loot..... yeah that does kinda suck, well you can probably find an addon that will deconstruct any normal equip loot though.

My point being though, it has to be an annoyance for sure, - and I'd pester them with posts now and then if it would be me - but at the same time, it's not as if the game is broken for you either. So I guess cheers?

@ZOS_GinaBruno <- perhaps Gina can let us know if it's on some obscure list of things to get to in the foreseeable future?

sirrmattus

i hav Deuteranopia

sirrmattus

Spacemonkey wrote: »

The only thing I can possibly think of that would be bad for color blindness is the AoE circle markers (red = bad, etc...), any cone marker is bad, always, and most ally markers will have noticeable particle effects on them too (healing etc...) - They honestly should ALL have a pattern (like the templar rune or the Fighters Guild circle etc...)

So it sucks a bit, just run out of any non recognizable particle effect AoE circle, all the time. It shouldnt be that big of a deal. Are there other circumstances i'm missing?

OOOOh. Loot..... yeah that does kinda suck, well you can probably find an addon that will deconstruct any normal equip loot though.

My point being though, it has to be an annoyance for sure, - and I'd pester them with posts now and then if it would be me - but at the same time, it's not as if the game is broken for you either. So I guess cheers?

@ZOS_GinaBruno <- perhaps Gina can let us know if it's on some obscure list of things to get to in the foreseeable future?

its definitely not game breaking, but like i said. Its really only noticeable when i do vma. There is already so much to focus on then i hav to deal with the colors. ;(

EsoRecon

sirrmattus wrote: »

Count_Dracula wrote: »

I'm red-green colorblind and I have no issues with this game. What are you experiencing exactly?

Having problems seeing the red circles. They blend with most floors. The green air on stage 7. Some of the glowing effects in various mobs various stages. Real hard to see spiders on stage 6.

Dude that sucks

sirrmattus

EsoRecon wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Count_Dracula wrote: »

I'm red-green colorblind and I have no issues with this game. What are you experiencing exactly?

Having problems seeing the red circles. They blend with most floors. The green air on stage 7. Some of the glowing effects in various mobs various stages. Real hard to see spiders on stage 6.

Dude that sucks

ye. god gave me 20/20 vision but not 20/20 color

RAGUNAnoOne

wldkarde wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Sweeping statements and generalisations will definitely make them inclined to do something for you.

Agreed.

I know there have been posts about this in the past, and since I'm not color blind, does anyone want want to offer some suggestions for ZOS on how they might make their game more friendly for those who are? Seems like a legitimate issue to me.

Stupid and smart circle color and intensity sliders with a preview option

Oldmanlawlor

There aren't enough potatoes in this game. ZOS is racist to Irish people.

.... Even tho, Sheogorath (Spelling?) sounds Irish.

Fitting that he seems like a mad drunk..

Orion_Sixx

I have that same issue with the red circles on the ground blending in, I just try not to stand in one place to long and ask if anyone sees me in one to let me know. That's the best I can do until there is an option to adjust the color to maybe yellow.

gamerguy757

What the hell did I just read?

Acrolas

Change the hues, learn the cues. It's honestly the best way to adjust to your personal comfort.
Not that it matters. When you use 'prejudice' that incorrectly, you'll only be satisfied with getting your way...

stewhead2ub17_ESO

While this may be a valid issue, I hardly think it makes ZOS "prejudice".

sirrmattus

Acrolas wrote: »

Change the hues, learn the cues. It's honestly the best way to adjust to your personal comfort.
Not that it matters. When you use 'prejudice' that incorrectly, you'll only be satisfied with getting your way...

i can only see the bottom lol

redspecter23

sirrmattus wrote: »

Count_Dracula wrote: »

I'm red-green colorblind and I have no issues with this game. What are you experiencing exactly?

Having problems seeing the red circles. They blend with most floors. The green air on stage 7. Some of the glowing effects in various mobs various stages. Real hard to see spiders on stage 6.

I'm not colorblind at all and I have issues seeing red circles in many places. The glow effects completely overshadow the negative effects I'm supposed to be watching for and I can't see the spiders in stage 6, but for me that's probably a focus issue and not a color blind issue. I guess my point is that anyone can find some effects hard to see for a variety of reasons. My best guess is that many are intended to be hard to see on purpose. The various different purple haze curse effects in MoL that occur while fighting purple mobs in purple rooms with purple abilities and purple lighting seem especially suspect.

Woeler

Can we quit using the term "prejudice", people are acting like ZOS is anti-colorblind people on purpose or something.

Volkodav

sirrmattus wrote: »

Against the color blind.

So many other games do things to help the color blind. You guys cant even implement the smallest things to help. DO SOMETHING!!

What game do things to help color blindness.Not being snarky.I am curious.It would be cool to know.I didnt realize this situation would be so prevalent with gamers.
Actually,the devs could make it so that those circles would have a white edge to them,as most floors are darker.Kinda like an effect.

Appleblade

Count_Dracula wrote: »

I'm red-green colorblind and I have no issues with this game. What are you experiencing exactly?

Same here. It only manifests in red versus green auras, but I can tell via the description or just experience in which NPCs go aggro without provocation. I also have attacking friendlies off.

The easiest solution is to just let the player choose certain interface colors. For example, in Fallout 4 I make the GUI blue so the red Danger condition is more noticeable. I also just sort of like the blue GUI. I leave the PipBoy the traditional lurid green.

Many Japanese (where color blindness rates are higher than the average) RPGs use blue and red as the good and bad colors, especially when comparing equipment. Green traffic light are designed with a bit of blue in them.

The sad thing about this topic is that I have seen it generate some of the most virulent responses from other gamers I've ever seen. You ask on a forum for the ability to tweak an interface color, and some gamers respond as if you just murdered their family.

It comes up a lot so I'm always surprised it hasn't become a general principle in game design. I wouldn't call it prejudice because that implies they actively decided to not implement anything out of spite which is silly.

Appleblade

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

There aren't enough potatoes in this game. ZOS is racist to Irish people. ..

You jest, but when I was using a food with potatoes as an ingredient, I started wondering if a potato famine had swept the Covenant. finally went to the grocer, bought, ten, and then found half a dozen in the next quest. Love ya, RNGesus...

Appleblade

Volkodav wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Against the color blind.

So many other games do things to help the color blind. You guys cant even implement the smallest things to help. DO SOMETHING!!

What game do things to help color blindness.Not being snarky.I am curious.It would be cool to know.I didnt realize this situation would be so prevalent with gamers.
Actually,the devs could make it so that those circles would have a white edge to them,as most floors are darker.Kinda like an effect.

Borderlands has a colorblind mode. It tweaks the colors of the weapon grades a bit, and simply spells out the color in the interface. Actually, I think it's really close to the white, green, blue, purple, yellow used in ESO. And as I posted elsewhere, lots of JRPGs use blue/ red instead of green/red for good/bad conditions.

runagate

If it makes the OP feel any better there's plenty of people who can perceive colors the way the majority does and are completely happy standing in giant red circles. Circles with flames roaring all around them.

dday3six

The AoEs are poorly designed in the first place, beyond the color choices. I'd prefer if they had another color outline to help distinguish them. There are some situations when they blended into the environment and it has a lot to due with be translucent. I think a solid color outline would fix that issue.