Bring back Steel Tornado range

Riggsy

So they nerf Steel Tornado's range because of pvp zergs, but simultaneously introduce an armor set (VD) while lowering the Alliance skill point line so everyone can run Mag. Det. Both effectively destroys zerging. So what was the point of nerfing ST in the first place?

khele23eb17_ESO

Riggsy wrote: »

So what was the point of nerfing ST in the first place?

They nerfed it because if was a good stamina skill... and we cant have that in Elder Staves Online :P

PlagueMonk

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

So what was the point of nerfing ST in the first place?

They nerfed it because if was a good stamina skill... and we cant have that in Elder Staves Online :P

I would be happy if they just extended the range back out to say 11 meters (still 1.5 meters less than what it was). 9 meters is literally a 50% decrease to STs effective range which would be like doubling the cost of a skill or halving its damage.

And if Zenimax doesn't want all stamina users using it, introduce some NEW and useful PBAoE stamina skills because ST is pretty much IT.

khele23eb17_ESO

PlagueMonk wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

So what was the point of nerfing ST in the first place?

They nerfed it because if was a good stamina skill... and we cant have that in Elder Staves Online :P

I would be happy if they just extended the range back out to say 11 meters (still 1.5 meters less than what it was). 9 meters is literally a 50% decrease to STs effective range which would be like doubling the cost of a skill or halving its damage.

And if Zenimax doesn't want all stamina users using it, introduce some NEW and useful PBAoE stamina skills because ST is pretty much IT.

Wish they would move Rally to FG line and gave 2h a good aoe skill.

acw37162

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

So what was the point of nerfing ST in the first place?

They nerfed it because if was a good stamina skill... and we cant have that in Elder Staves Online :P

I would be happy if they just extended the range back out to say 11 meters (still 1.5 meters less than what it was). 9 meters is literally a 50% decrease to STs effective range which would be like doubling the cost of a skill or halving its damage.

And if Zenimax doesn't want all stamina users using it, introduce some NEW and useful PBAoE stamina skills because ST is pretty much IT.

Wish they would move Rally to FG line and gave 2h a good aoe skill.

To be honest 2H does not need a buff.

khele23eb17_ESO

acw37162 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

So what was the point of nerfing ST in the first place?

They nerfed it because if was a good stamina skill... and we cant have that in Elder Staves Online :P

I would be happy if they just extended the range back out to say 11 meters (still 1.5 meters less than what it was). 9 meters is literally a 50% decrease to STs effective range which would be like doubling the cost of a skill or halving its damage.

And if Zenimax doesn't want all stamina users using it, introduce some NEW and useful PBAoE stamina skills because ST is pretty much IT.

Wish they would move Rally to FG line and gave 2h a good aoe skill.

To be honest 2H does not need a buff.

Wouldnt mind it having proper aoe.

Skinzz

VD and proxy det is being used by zergs on single targets now so yeah zerg buster my @ss.

Xjcon

Elemental Ring is less then Steel tornado. Just sayin. Would you like them to seriously take another look at it? Be careful what you wish for.

Egonieser

xskinzcity wrote: »

VD and proxy det is being used by zergs on single targets now so yeah zerg buster my @ss.

VD creates a explosion AFTER DEATH that damages nearby allies, how can it be used on a single target? If you are solo, VD to you is non-existant as your corpse will just blow up empty air.

Complaint invalid...

Reevster

Xjcon wrote: »

Elemental Ring is less then Steel tornado. Just sayin. Would you like them to seriously take another look at it? Be careful what you wish for.

^^

9 m is fine, 6 m is not..... I dont get it, why didnt they drop ST to 6 m like AoE Destro staff skill if 6 m is "ok" .

because 6 m sucks lemons.

kalimar44

You know you can run around while spamming it.

Saturn

It was just 3 meters, plus they upped the damage. There is absolutely no reason why the stamina prefered AoE should have double the range of the prefered magicka AoE.

Forestd16b14_ESO

As much as stamina needs love right now steel tornado along wrecking blow need nerfed.

khele23eb17_ESO

Xjcon wrote: »

Elemental Ring is less then Steel tornado. Just sayin. Would you like them to seriously take another look at it? Be careful what you wish for.

Well, there are many ways magicka outperforms stamina currently. Id like them to seriously look at those. Just sayin.

Steel_Brightblade

I didn't mind the steel tornado change, from a pve perspective, all it means is instead of running to the middle and spinning I instead follow a ranged mob and spin, the melees will follow and stay in range. Very minor impact on my playable.

GnGEmpire

Steel tornado was nerfed for a simple reason:

It was by far the best AoE spammable in the game.
Now it's still the best AoE spammable, but not by such a rediculous margin

Comparing it to proxy det is silly, 2 entirely different skills with different functions. You can use 1 proxy det in 8 seconds, and over 10 steel tornados in the same amount of time, might as well compare it to dragon leap, meteor etc.

Nightenhowl

I'll be fine with 11meters if this ability didn't have an execute.

Duiwel

I wish there was a way to have PvP skill lines for the OP weapons, that way they wouldn't actually have to balance the PvE ones ever... ( they can still balance class skills )

Just have a PvP skill tree with all the same weapon skills ( but now they can experiment and do changes more often and see what works and what doesn't ).

WB, Barrage, ST, Snipe, Crit Rush/ Stampede, Invasion, Mutagen, Healing Springs ect. Just change the name a little or add (pvp) in brackets

Malmai

They need to fix the LAG 1st than we can talk further into fixing stuff than we can add DLC's because the mess is extreme right now.

acw37162

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Wouldnt mind it having proper aoe. [/quote]

Not that I disagree but without a proper buffing of DW and Bow, if 2H had a proper AoE why would anyone ever use the other two outide if magica builds using the last passive

2H is just so good compared to everything else and it plays better

khele23eb17_ESO

acw37162 wrote: »

Not that I disagree but without a proper buffing of DW and Bow, if 2H had a proper AoE why would anyone ever use the other two outide if magica builds using the last passive

2H is just so good compared to everything else and it plays better

Does 2H have superior single target DPS over DW? I dont think so. DW could probably use some utility buffs tho. Bows could use some buffs in both dps and utility.