I'm concerned for the health of ESO...

xeoneexb14_ESO

I just recently started playing after about a year hiatus roughly. I've perused the forums here and there and it sounds like the game is on a downward slope. I really don't want that I want to enjoy Orsinium, and eventually the Theives Guild, and the Dark Brotherhood and whatever else they decide to add. I DO NOT want this to turn into a flame war, I just could use some thoughts and insight.

Lysette

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

Lysette are you drunk?

xeoneexb14_ESO

Oh, thats perfecty fine, they eventually fine-tune it. I know pvp is not what it once was or could be, but I don't bother pvping anymore anyway. I just want to enjoy the rich lore-filled story

ParaNostram

I'd assess where ESO is as standing upon the knife's edge after almost falling off the wrong way with the disastrous launch. Things are rocky, they're finally getting their balance, and now the game just needs a solid step in the right direction before it loses balance again teetering on the brink of Oblivion.

Gidorick

Lysette wrote: »

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

I'm sorry @Lysette but a 2-3 week period of "fixing" the DLC when they HAVE a 2-3 period on the PTS that they seem to ignore feedback from is not acceptable... it's just not.

magictucktuck

Xbox thieves guild launch has been good and our servers are super busy before and after thieves guild.

AdamBourke

It's not as bad as it sounds on here, I think.

People come on here to complain, which is why it often sounds so negative. But the fact is that they're all still playing the game, so it can't be that bad!

And for every vocal player on the forums, there are several who never say anything, and just enjoy the game.

:-).

xeoneexb14_ESO

AdamBourke wrote: »

It's not as bad as it sounds on here, I think.

People come on here to complain, which is why it often sounds so negative. But the fact is that they're all still playing the game, so it can't be that bad!

And for every vocal player on the forums, there are several who never say anything, and just enjoy the game.

:-).

Thats very true, I try not to speak on the forums that much anymore. I tend to be passionate about certain topics, and my experiences in the past has taught me to keep my opinion to myself :P. I'm really enjoying the Orsinium story so my personal thoughts are they aren't doing that bad of job.

magictucktuck wrote: »

Xbox thieves guild launch has been good and our servers are super busy before and after thieves guild.

Do the xbox players share the same servers as the pc players?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Game sold 100,000 copies across all platforms in feb. I wouldnt worry. Also there is a thread here asking how much you have spent on ESO. Some people over $1000 a year on it. Thats what nearly 100 of the old subs in just one guy.

Nerouyn

xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »

I just recently started playing after about a year hiatus roughly. I've perused the forums here and there and it sounds like the game is on a downward slope.

ESO is still far from perfect courtesy of some stupid things they still haven't fixed but there are some positive signs. At least they talk of plans to add things like housing, better inventory (eg. crafting bags), spellcrafting, more "battle levelling".

Though spellcrafting was revealed 2 years ago and they've said not to expect it this year. So with up to 3 years (or more) between promise and delivery....

ParaNostram

Nerouyn wrote: »

xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »

I just recently started playing after about a year hiatus roughly. I've perused the forums here and there and it sounds like the game is on a downward slope.

ESO is still far from perfect courtesy of some stupid things they still haven't fixed but there are some positive signs. At least they talk of plans to add things like housing, better inventory (eg. crafting bags), spellcrafting, more "battle levelling".

Though spellcrafting was revealed 2 years ago and they've said not to expect it this year. So with up to 3 years (or more) between promise and delivery....

Spellcrafting has been put on ice for the time being.

Sausage

ESO is doing good, theres still Expansions, ES6, F2P, or Trial yet to use.

Nerouyn

ParaNostram wrote: »

Spellcrafting has been put on ice for the time being.

As of January this year it is still planned for release but not this year.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2016/01/12/eso--the-year-ahead

Spellcrafting is on the back burner for now. It is a fun and interesting system, but it is not in our current plans to bring it to you in the coming year. We really like the design and what it contributes to the game, though, so we will do what we can in the future to make it happen and do it right.

starkerealm

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Game sold 100,000 copies across all platforms in feb. I wouldnt worry. Also there is a thread here asking how much you have spent on ESO. Some people over $1000 a year on it. Thats what nearly 100 of the old subs in just one guy.

I really need a "Cap'n there be whales here," captioned shot of Scotty from Star Trek IV right about now.

starkerealm

xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »

I just recently started playing after about a year hiatus roughly. I've perused the forums here and there and it sounds like the game is on a downward slope.

There will always be disaffected players on the forums. That's not a statement about ESO, that's just a video games thing. "This new change" will always "ruin the game forever."

Welcome to the internet, where everything is the end of the world for somebody. Please enjoy your stay, and do not lick any unattended toads. Also, and this is very important, do not under any circumstances make eye contact with Steve. No, seriously, just don't do it.

xeoneexb14_ESO wrote: »

I really don't want that I want to enjoy Orsinium, and eventually the Theives Guild, and the Dark Brotherhood and whatever else they decide to add. I DO NOT want this to turn into a flame war, I just could use some thoughts and insight.

Then enjoy Orsinium and the Thieves Guild. And, eventually Dark Brotherhood, and whatever follows it.

The game isn't perfect, but the ship isn't sinking... unless you're here for PvP, because in that case, the ship is definitely sinking, as the PvP community runs out of patience for each other's crap.

FlicksZ

You have to just try it and see for yourself. Honestly what/how/when you like to play will determine if you like/enjoy it or not. There are so many opinions on these matters but the only one that should matter is your own when deciding to play a game or not. Everyone's tolerance lvls so to speak vary and this is no different in any game.

The forums are filled with both extremes of negative and positive comments and neither is lying. There is the usual forum "misinformation, over exaggeration and white knighting" but when you play you will usually be able to disseminate which is which.

The game had a bad launch, I think that is very evident but overall general forum consensus seems to be that performance use to be a lot better. This apparently is not only in pvp but pve now too. Since B2P conversion many changes have been made and will continue to be made but the frequency of such has come under much scrutiny consistently.

The Dev teams are very passionate in what they do and I for one applaud that, however this does not equate to the belief that players are being listened to, communication is good, transparency is present or decisions being implemented are actually in the best interest of the overall health of the game from a player POV, arguably even a Dev POV too.

I enjoyed my time in Tamriel and was a sub but I avoided everything I didn't like and did not pretend that those things weren't present and spread my game play across many games. I would not advise anyone to get too invested into this game (like any other) based on my experience but would still recommend it as a great way to pass time as long as it works on your system which is another recent topic that has come up for both low and high specs.

Lysette

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

I'm sorry @Lysette but a 2-3 week period of "fixing" the DLC when they HAVE a 2-3 period on the PTS that they seem to ignore feedback from is not acceptable... it's just not.

I see the PTS as "public TEASE server" - because that is it's actual function - it is a PR environment, there to make people want to buy the DLC and to give youtubers the opportunity to make a review video early on. I don't think, that they ignore feedback from the PTS, I just think it is not why the PTS is there in the first place. And they need it to show off the DLC before it's release in a live show - that is what the PTS is for, not really for bug fixing, otherwise they would put the content up much earlier so that there is a chance to get bugs fixed before launch.

Lysette

Sausage wrote: »

ESO is doing good, theres still Expansions, ES6, F2P, or Trial yet to use.

The moment this game would go free2play, I would be gone - I am not willing to put up with that crap once again in a game.

GreenGhostMan

I'm on XB1 and the game seems to be doing great as far as I can tell. Starter zones and main cities have been full before and after TG patch. Some of that banks have 50+ people in them. And I know a handful of people that just bought the game to see what the buzz is about. Only hardcore players come to the forums and mostly to complain. From a general overview, the game is actually doing very well in my opinion.

Tandor

Never judge a game by its forums, especially one where PvPers are involved. Far better to log in and see for yourself that the game is doing just fine.

Sugaroverdose

Tandor wrote: »

Never judge a game by its forums, especially one where PvPers are involved. Far better to log in and see for yourself that the game is doing just fine.

So pvp isn't endgame content of ESO? What is than? Infinite dungeon farming for monster helm to do more dungeons which you already can complete using only left leg without watching to the screen?

FENGRUSH

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Never judge a game by its forums, especially one where PvPers are involved. Far better to log in and see for yourself that the game is doing just fine.

So pvp isn't endgame content of ESO? What is than? Infinite dungeon farming for monster helm to do more dungeons which you already can complete using only left leg without watching to the screen?

lmao

dday3six

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

I'm sorry @Lysette but a 2-3 week period of "fixing" the DLC when they HAVE a 2-3 period on the PTS that they seem to ignore feedback from is not acceptable... it's just not.

I see the PTS as "public TEASE server" - because that is it's actual function - it is a PR environment, there to make people want to buy the DLC and to give youtubers the opportunity to make a review video early on. I don't think, that they ignore feedback from the PTS, I just think it is not why the PTS is there in the first place. And they need it to show off the DLC before it's release in a live show - that is what the PTS is for, not really for bug fixing, otherwise they would put the content up much earlier so that there is a chance to get bugs fixed before launch.

This is some of the largest amount of fanboy spin I've seen in awhile...

Lysette

dday3six wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

I'm sorry @Lysette but a 2-3 week period of "fixing" the DLC when they HAVE a 2-3 period on the PTS that they seem to ignore feedback from is not acceptable... it's just not.

I see the PTS as "public TEASE server" - because that is it's actual function - it is a PR environment, there to make people want to buy the DLC and to give youtubers the opportunity to make a review video early on. I don't think, that they ignore feedback from the PTS, I just think it is not why the PTS is there in the first place. And they need it to show off the DLC before it's release in a live show - that is what the PTS is for, not really for bug fixing, otherwise they would put the content up much earlier so that there is a chance to get bugs fixed before launch.

This is some of the largest amount of fanboy spin I've seen in awhile...

I think you don't get what I am saying at all - where is that fan-like?- I am saying their test server is a fake, not meant to test for bugs and fix them, but to show off the DLC. Didn't you get that?

I_killed_Vivec

Tandor wrote: »

Never judge a game by its forums, especially one where PvPers are involved. Far better to log in and see for yourself that the game is doing just fine.

Oi! None of that rationality here please!

I would add "Play the game. If you enjoy it then carry on. If you don't then stop."

But that's probably a bit obvious too

Lysette

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Never judge a game by its forums, especially one where PvPers are involved. Far better to log in and see for yourself that the game is doing just fine.

So pvp isn't endgame content of ESO? What is than? Infinite dungeon farming for monster helm to do more dungeons which you already can complete using only left leg without watching to the screen?

There is simply no endgame - the whole idea of endgame is alien for role players - this game will be expanded every 3 months and if you adjust your pace to the frequency in which this content is released and enjoy it at a casual pace, you will never run out of content before the servers will finally close down - so there is no endgame by concept already - this is not a typical MMO´with endgame content.

dday3six

Lysette wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

I'm sorry @Lysette but a 2-3 week period of "fixing" the DLC when they HAVE a 2-3 period on the PTS that they seem to ignore feedback from is not acceptable... it's just not.

I see the PTS as "public TEASE server" - because that is it's actual function - it is a PR environment, there to make people want to buy the DLC and to give youtubers the opportunity to make a review video early on. I don't think, that they ignore feedback from the PTS, I just think it is not why the PTS is there in the first place. And they need it to show off the DLC before it's release in a live show - that is what the PTS is for, not really for bug fixing, otherwise they would put the content up much earlier so that there is a chance to get bugs fixed before launch.

This is some of the largest amount of fanboy spin I've seen in awhile...

I think you don't get what I am saying at all - where is that fan-like?- I am saying their test server is a fake, not meant to test for bugs and fix them, but to show off the DLC. Didn't you get that?

A fanboy is someone who will make up anything to cover for, or generally over look the terrible side of a product simply because they're a fan of the product.

The PTS is literally Public Test Server, that's what the forums list it as, that is what the forums act like it is for. So what your saying is that ZOS is lying to it's customers, and creating an illusion to make them believe otherwise. I don't know which is worst. That concept, or that your clearly 'ok' with that concept.

TequilaFire

Always a PvE player poking PvP in every thread. smh

Lysette

dday3six wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The game is doing fine - as long as you can accept, that with every DLC release (every 3 months) there will be 2-3 weeks, where the game is a bit bumpy and buggy, because ZOS has not the best record when it comes to QA before releasing anything. Otherwise the game is going strong - I see a lot of new players in starter zones, it's crowded at prime time.

I'm sorry @Lysette but a 2-3 week period of "fixing" the DLC when they HAVE a 2-3 period on the PTS that they seem to ignore feedback from is not acceptable... it's just not.

I see the PTS as "public TEASE server" - because that is it's actual function - it is a PR environment, there to make people want to buy the DLC and to give youtubers the opportunity to make a review video early on. I don't think, that they ignore feedback from the PTS, I just think it is not why the PTS is there in the first place. And they need it to show off the DLC before it's release in a live show - that is what the PTS is for, not really for bug fixing, otherwise they would put the content up much earlier so that there is a chance to get bugs fixed before launch.

This is some of the largest amount of fanboy spin I've seen in awhile...

I think you don't get what I am saying at all - where is that fan-like?- I am saying their test server is a fake, not meant to test for bugs and fix them, but to show off the DLC. Didn't you get that?

A fanboy is someone who will make up anything to cover for, or generally over look the terrible side of a product simply because they're a fan of the product.

The PTS is literally Public Test Server, that's what the forums list it as, that is what the forums act like it is for. So what your saying is that ZOS is lying to it's customers, and creating an illusion to make them believe otherwise. I don't know which is worst. That concept, or that your clearly 'ok' with that concept.

I'm just not delusional about that they would NOT be a business in the first place. And ZOS is not lying, that is called "marketing" - they market their product and what is better to get review videos early on, than to offer a way to have access to the content, in a safe environment, which is controllable and where fake spawn rates can be used, to make it more appealing than it is in the live game. This is just how business is, that is not lying, that is teasing. Just like that McDonald's burger in an ad is not a real burger as it is sold - they use all kind of non-edible stuff on the burger to make it look tasty - this is just how marketing goes.

This is just what business is like - you accept it anywhere else without to complain, why complain here then?

Edit: and it is ridiculous to think that I am a white knight - if you follow my posts, you will see that I am critical. But being critical does not mean that I would have to be just negative. I point out things, which I deem to be not ok or which could be done better, but I do as well appreciated and praise, when something is done well.

Sugaroverdose

Lysette wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Never judge a game by its forums, especially one where PvPers are involved. Far better to log in and see for yourself that the game is doing just fine.

So pvp isn't endgame content of ESO? What is than? Infinite dungeon farming for monster helm to do more dungeons which you already can complete using only left leg without watching to the screen?

There is simply no endgame - the whole idea of endgame is alien for role players - this game will be expanded every 3 months and if you adjust your pace to the frequency in which this content is released and enjoy it at a casual pace, you will never run out of content before the servers will finally close down - so there is no endgame by concept already - this is not a typical MMO´with endgame content.

I'm sorry, are we talking about a game which have "Online" in it name? Or you playing "Elders Scrolls: Tamriel Unlimited"?

I'm not casual, i'm one of those who freak out when he get killed in 1vs3 because of infinite cc, horrific lags, or because i f*cked up and used wrong ultimate/potion/did double wepswap.

Want you or not, pvp is endgame and it's faaaaaaaaar away from perfection.
In fact i just cannot drop it because: i don't know why.


In other words: if you love ES and want some single player content - ESO is good for it, i you want to spend free time to get fun in pvp - it's better if you'll watch somewhere else or ZOS will break your mind using awesome patches which break half of game mechanics every three month.