How is it possible

sirrmattus

For someone to be in sneak while they have a ticking time bomb attached to them?

Forestd16b14_ESO

First time EXP proxy det I take it ?

sirrmattus

no. it just doesnt add up. you can have an exploding bomb while you are cloaked.. wow

Prabooo

yes you can but it will reveal you once it explodes

Greiver

Reveals at the time of cast and explosion. If no one sees you in between that time then you go back to stealth til it goes off. I see nothing wrong with that.

FriedEggSandwich

Works the same the other way; if I curse a NB they can cloak till the curse explodes. Seems acceptable to me.

Trashkan

I think it hurts Nightblades because you can see where there at and drop an aoe on them to reveal there sneaky ways.

SlayerTheDragon

With all this FOTM NB Proxy Det build, I think the other morph is overshadowed.

Is Inevitable Detonation any good? Can it be cast on multiple targets?

Brrrofski

DonoVDV wrote: »

With all this FOTM NB Proxy Det build, I think the other morph is overshadowed.

Is Inevitable Detonation any good? Can it be cast on multiple targets?

No, it does damage if purged or something.

Only build I might put it on is a sorc. Everything else I'm up close with anyway. Not running it on my sorc currently anyway. Don't feel the need.

SlayerTheDragon

Brrrofski wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

With all this FOTM NB Proxy Det build, I think the other morph is overshadowed.

Is Inevitable Detonation any good? Can it be cast on multiple targets?

No, it does damage if purged or something.

Only build I might put it on is a sorc. Everything else I'm up close with anyway. Not running it on my sorc currently anyway. Don't feel the need.

Exactly what I was thinking, Proxy Det only works for close range. But imagine spam casting Inevitable Det into a zerg (the tooltip does not say that it can only be cast on one target at a time.)

Brrrofski

I've never seen anyway can't it on multiple people. I'll try it when o get on later. Pretty sure it's only on one person at a time though.

GrigorijMalahevich

DonoVDV wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

With all this FOTM NB Proxy Det build, I think the other morph is overshadowed.

Is Inevitable Detonation any good? Can it be cast on multiple targets?

No, it does damage if purged or something.

Only build I might put it on is a sorc. Everything else I'm up close with anyway. Not running it on my sorc currently anyway. Don't feel the need.

Exactly what I was thinking, Proxy Det only works for close range. But imagine spam casting Inevitable Det into a zerg (the tooltip does not say that it can only be cast on one target at a time.)

You can cast Inevitable Detonation on multiple targets. Because you have 2 sec cast time and it explodes in 4, you can't really put it on a lot of targets due to laws of Math and time.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

You were not part of that group at the recourse then an NB just came up to you in stealth then exploded then continued to drain the life out of you with that AoE drain attack then proceed to use that AoE NB Ultimate were you?

sirrmattus

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

FortheloveofKrist

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

I_killed_Vivec

Or a six foot double-handed sword they are winding up for a "wrecking blow" ?

sirrmattus

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

vyrusb23

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

You're absolutely right! I mean, it doesn't make sense that someone could sneak around with a bomb, and then detonate it before anybody knows what's going on. I mean, that just .... doesn't .... make .....

Oh wait a minute, it does make sense.

willymchilybily

If you are dissapointed with people stealthing away from the ticking bomb you may be even more dissapointed when you see the damage it does when the target is blocking. You know its a 4 second cast, and know exactly when it was placed on you as its a pretty obvious animation. Target can just block.

At least proxy det can be used from stealth as its on the caster not the target. Timed to go off just after you throw out soul tether and stun a load of people so they cant block, magicka NB can use it to devistating effect.

Duiwel

sirrmattus wrote: »

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

Wear medium armour, putting skill points into the passives, slot WW as your ult on mainbar.

If you having stam problems I feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but recharging stam ain't one

sirrmattus

Duiwel wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

Wear medium armour, putting skill points into the passives, slot WW as your ult on mainbar.

If you having stam problems I feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but recharging stam ain't one

I have 2200 stam regen and 4200 wpn dmg. Same here 99 prob but that aint one. It just doesnt make sense

Samadhi

sirrmattus wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

The same reason why Vampires no .longer receive full benefit of speed in Sneak from Night's SIlence:
As in broader society, loners (violent or non-violent) are looked down upon,
but mass murderers and terrorists make headlines.

People sneaking seems to somehow offend a portion of the playerbase -- people complain that Nightblades "don't fight fair" if they attack from Stealth, and having a Vampire move quickly when not in combat broke da merjunz.

Being in a crowd and AoEing (even if it starts from a stealth bomb) looks big and flashy though.

sirrmattus

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

The same reason why Vampires no .longer receive full benefit of speed in Sneak from Night's SIlence:
As in broader society, loners (violent or non-violent) are looked down upon,
but mass murderers and terrorists make headlines.

People sneaking seems to somehow offend a portion of the playerbase -- people complain that Nightblades "don't fight fair" if they attack from Stealth, and having a Vampire move quickly when not in combat broke da merjunz.

Being in a crowd and AoEing (even if it starts from a stealth bomb) looks big and flashy though.

What did they do to vamp sneak speed?

Samadhi

sirrmattus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

The same reason why Vampires no .longer receive full benefit of speed in Sneak from Night's SIlence:
As in broader society, loners (violent or non-violent) are looked down upon,
but mass murderers and terrorists make headlines.

People sneaking seems to somehow offend a portion of the playerbase -- people complain that Nightblades "don't fight fair" if they attack from Stealth, and having a Vampire move quickly when not in combat broke da merjunz.

Being in a crowd and AoEing (even if it starts from a stealth bomb) looks big and flashy though.

What did they do to vamp sneak speed?

It used to be that a Vampire wearing Night's Silence with Concealed Weapon slotted moved faster than default ( 0 pieces of Medium Armour) Sprint speed, and faster than some horses with minimal speed increase on them.

If the Vampire remained completely undetected and did not engage in combat, he or she could traverse maps quite quickly and stealthily, though they could not keep pace with a fully speed-fed horse.
If the Vampire was Detected by any source, or made an attack of any kind, he or she would lose the benefit of the five piece set, and travel at regular Sneak speed, until out of combat again.

People complained it was overpowered in PvP, and that it looked silly to see a supernatural creature traveling so quickly.

Realistically speaking, it was just easy for ZOS to get away with nerfing because it impacted mainly loners that avoided combat, as it was not a good combat set.

Now Vampire no longer receives any benefit from the set whatsoever -- the Vampire passive and Night's Silence (also Shadow Dancer's Raiment) simply overwrite each other.

Waffennacht

It makes sense... I don't see how it wouldn't... it's magic

sirrmattus

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

The same reason why Vampires no .longer receive full benefit of speed in Sneak from Night's SIlence:
As in broader society, loners (violent or non-violent) are looked down upon,
but mass murderers and terrorists make headlines.

People sneaking seems to somehow offend a portion of the playerbase -- people complain that Nightblades "don't fight fair" if they attack from Stealth, and having a Vampire move quickly when not in combat broke da merjunz.

Being in a crowd and AoEing (even if it starts from a stealth bomb) looks big and flashy though.

What did they do to vamp sneak speed?

It used to be that a Vampire wearing Night's Silence with Concealed Weapon slotted moved faster than default ( 0 pieces of Medium Armour) Sprint speed, and faster than some horses with minimal speed increase on them.

If the Vampire remained completely undetected and did not engage in combat, he or she could traverse maps quite quickly and stealthily, though they could not keep pace with a fully speed-fed horse.
If the Vampire was Detected by any source, or made an attack of any kind, he or she would lose the benefit of the five piece set, and travel at regular Sneak speed, until out of combat again.

People complained it was overpowered in PvP, and that it looked silly to see a supernatural creature traveling so quickly.

Realistically speaking, it was just easy for ZOS to get away with nerfing because it impacted mainly loners that avoided combat, as it was not a good combat set.

Now Vampire no longer receives any benefit from the set whatsoever -- the Vampire passive and Night's Silence (also Shadow Dancer's Raiment) simply overwrite each other.

Ye i knew all that... but ***.. thats lame. why not just eliminate sneak all together.. fkn wak

GreenGhostMan

removing myself from the convo. Sorry to all that I offended that saw my previous comment.

paul_j

oh hoho it's magic you know never believe it's not so

NeoXanthus

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

The same reason why Vampires no .longer receive full benefit of speed in Sneak from Night's SIlence:
As in broader society, loners (violent or non-violent) are looked down upon,
but mass murderers and terrorists make headlines.

People sneaking seems to somehow offend a portion of the playerbase -- people complain that Nightblades "don't fight fair" if they attack from Stealth, and having a Vampire move quickly when not in combat broke da merjunz.

Being in a crowd and AoEing (even if it starts from a stealth bomb) looks big and flashy though.

What did they do to vamp sneak speed?

It used to be that a Vampire wearing Night's Silence with Concealed Weapon slotted moved faster than default ( 0 pieces of Medium Armour) Sprint speed, and faster than some horses with minimal speed increase on them.

If the Vampire remained completely undetected and did not engage in combat, he or she could traverse maps quite quickly and stealthily, though they could not keep pace with a fully speed-fed horse.
If the Vampire was Detected by any source, or made an attack of any kind, he or she would lose the benefit of the five piece set, and travel at regular Sneak speed, until out of combat again.

People complained it was overpowered in PvP, and that it looked silly to see a supernatural creature traveling so quickly.

Realistically speaking, it was just easy for ZOS to get away with nerfing because it impacted mainly loners that avoided combat, as it was not a good combat set.

Now Vampire no longer receives any benefit from the set whatsoever -- the Vampire passive and Night's Silence (also Shadow Dancer's Raiment) simply overwrite each other.

I use to be one of those loners Vamp Night Silence players that avoided PvP battle completely. I played PvE zones in PvP avoid everyone that I could once I was spotted in game it was all over for me. When ZoS negated that ability I went 180 degrees in the opposite direction. I bought the absolute best gear I could find and upgraded it. I spend most of my time still doing PvE in PvP but instead of running I spend most of my time hunting other players.

Samadhi

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

its not about me getting killed. it is just stupid and doesnt make sense

It's a fantasy MMO. You may have to suspend some disbelief.

if thats the case then why no stam regen while doing anything, anymore

The same reason why Vampires no .longer receive full benefit of speed in Sneak from Night's SIlence:
As in broader society, loners (violent or non-violent) are looked down upon,
but mass murderers and terrorists make headlines.

People sneaking seems to somehow offend a portion of the playerbase -- people complain that Nightblades "don't fight fair" if they attack from Stealth, and having a Vampire move quickly when not in combat broke da merjunz.

Being in a crowd and AoEing (even if it starts from a stealth bomb) looks big and flashy though.

What did they do to vamp sneak speed?

It used to be that a Vampire wearing Night's Silence with Concealed Weapon slotted moved faster than default ( 0 pieces of Medium Armour) Sprint speed, and faster than some horses with minimal speed increase on them.

If the Vampire remained completely undetected and did not engage in combat, he or she could traverse maps quite quickly and stealthily, though they could not keep pace with a fully speed-fed horse.
If the Vampire was Detected by any source, or made an attack of any kind, he or she would lose the benefit of the five piece set, and travel at regular Sneak speed, until out of combat again.

People complained it was overpowered in PvP, and that it looked silly to see a supernatural creature traveling so quickly.

Realistically speaking, it was just easy for ZOS to get away with nerfing because it impacted mainly loners that avoided combat, as it was not a good combat set.

Now Vampire no longer receives any benefit from the set whatsoever -- the Vampire passive and Night's Silence (also Shadow Dancer's Raiment) simply overwrite each other.

I use to be one of those loners Vamp Night Silence players that avoided PvP battle completely. I played PvE zones in PvP avoid everyone that I could once I was spotted in game it was all over for me. When ZoS negated that ability I went 180 degrees in the opposite direction. I bought the absolute best gear I could find and upgraded it. I spend most of my time still doing PvE in PvP but instead of running I spend most of my time hunting other players.

Did not personally play as a Vampire during that time, aside from having someone turn me so I could grab all the speed values.
My main is a Magicka build Bosmer Nightblade mostly since the AoE cap was first announced.
Enjoy counter-stealth above all else -- hunting down gankers at towns and between keeps, or snipers around sieges.
Werewolf on most of my characters.