Zox.. reguarding dlc..

lihentian

I know this have been bought up many times.. but do you really want to sale game content this frequently? i heard there will be 4 dlc this year??

it is true that a company have to make money, but are you sure you want to fall into the same pit as before? it is already proven that ESO will not work purely on sub... have you even consider the entry bar for this game?

At first, when the game first turn f2p the entry fee is $60.. now with 3 new dlc people who don't prefer to sub will likely pay another $80 for all three dlc. that make a grand total of $125..


sure people can play without dlc, and many of the player currently playing do not have dlc.(which is why it is so damn hard to find team to do maw).. but really.. how many player willing to start a game which they knew they will never get to play full content??

this is the exact reason of why GW2 base game went f2p when they release the expansion.. to lower the entry bar.. so new player can pour in..............and this is also the exact reason why DDO is half dead.. DDO is a decent game, but with their business model they charge over $500 for all DLC(content).. and majority of the player do not have all content, which separate their player base into many tiny fragment.. it is extremely hard to play together because some(most) of your friend don't have dlc.......And a solo mmo is always far inferior then any true single player.. especially true for elder scroll games with tones of free MOD content.


p.s. so please take things into consideration.. i like eso.. and i don't want to see ESO fallen into the same pit once again.........it is a good game, but please don't expect every player who don't wish to sub to pay $300 entry fee to play the game. (it is sitting around $140 Canadian dollars now) . plus large population always means more buying from crown store.. there are plenty of overpriced stuff there to make your profit.

PoisonedPaint

As much as I agree $125 total is a lot on a game... but they do have the option to sub until the game is no longer fun. The price for a sub, in my opinion isn't as much as people make it out to be. They can also play up to the point where they need the DLC to progress. Also, all DLCs as far as I know, aren't required. You can take the most recent DLC and be up to par, you will just miss out on some adventure zones and maybe a skill line. Depends what you as a player want. Content will make this game progress, and they cannot afford to give it for free. As long as the content is worth what we pay. So far the DLCs seem worth it to me, aside from the IC one... in my opinion mixing PVE content with PVP was a bad move.

Katahdin

Dlc is what costs the most to make. They need to pay people to make it and those people don't work for free.

Subbing is an option. Also you don't need to buy all the DLC at once. Expecting free dlc the size and detail of what we have in this game is unrealistic.

Yes I know the TG zone is small, but it is extremely detailed. The city alone took a ton of work to make. Same with Wrothgar and that is bigger.

KaleidoscopeEyz

You need to release DLC quarterly or run the risk of your player base becoming board and leaving for another game. I'd rather have too much content than not enough. I'm not forced to buy the DLC. I bought Orsinium but I did not get Imperial City and I'm more of a PvE'er.

KaleidoscopeEyz

When they release a new DLC, they should reduce the price of the previous DLC by 50%.

Garldeen

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

When they release a new DLC, they should reduce the price of the previous DLC by 50%.

Problem is then it creates a 3 month lag in sales as everyone waits for the previous one to be reduced.

KaleidoscopeEyz

I bet less than half would wait. Too many people out there are too jacked up on ESO to wait 3 months.

lihentian

Katahdin wrote: »

Dlc is what costs the most to make. They need to pay people to make it and those people don't work for free.

Subbing is an option. Also you don't need to buy all the DLC at once. Expecting free dlc the size and detail of what we have in this game is unrealistic.

Yes I know the TG zone is small, but it is extremely detailed. The city alone took a ton of work to make. Same with Wrothgar and that is bigger.

but dlc is not the most expensive stuff in the crown store.. house lesson, outfit, pet, mount, motif... these are the key to make the money.

plus would you continue to play this game if there aren't anyone to play with?? it is like the frog in boiled water.. the frogs that has been inside from the beginning will not likely to jump out, but when the water get hot it is not likely frog will jump in.

p.s. there are plenty of f2p games that release new content every once a while. and i can assure you that their cash shop is not as over priced as eso..

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

You need to release DLC quarterly or run the risk of your player base becoming board and leaving for another game. I'd rather have too much content than not enough. I'm not forced to buy the DLC. I bought Orsinium but I did not get Imperial City and I'm more of a PvE'er.

you have misunderstood me my friend. i never ask them to stop producing new content. what am asking is either give future content for free.. or make large dlc. like says this year we will have 4 dlc.. but instead of 4 they could sale them together for maybe 50? which is cheaper then getting 4 dlc at the price of 20~30(80~120).. it is still bad but not as bad as where we were going now..

Yolokin_Swagonborn

ZOX Plz

is ZOX the new ZOSE?

Katahdin

lihentian wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Dlc is what costs the most to make. They need to pay people to make it and those people don't work for free.

Subbing is an option. Also you don't need to buy all the DLC at once. Expecting free dlc the size and detail of what we have in this game is unrealistic.

Yes I know the TG zone is small, but it is extremely detailed. The city alone took a ton of work to make. Same with Wrothgar and that is bigger.

but dlc is not the most expensive stuff in the crown store.. house lesson, outfit, pet, mount, motif... these are the key to make the money.

plus would you continue to play this game if there aren't anyone to play with?? it is like the frog in boiled water.. the frogs that has been inside from the beginning will not likely to jump out, but when the water get hot it is not likely frog will jump in.

p.s. there are plenty of f2p games that release new content every once a while. and i can assure you that their cash shop is not as over priced as eso..

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

You need to release DLC quarterly or run the risk of your player base becoming board and leaving for another game. I'd rather have too much content than not enough. I'm not forced to buy the DLC. I bought Orsinium but I did not get Imperial City and I'm more of a PvE'er.

you have misunderstood me my friend. i never ask them to stop producing new content. what am asking is either give future content for free.. or make large dlc. like says this year we will have 4 dlc.. but instead of 4 they could sale them together for maybe 50? which is cheaper then getting 4 dlc at the price of 20~30(80~120).. it is still bad but not as bad as where we were going now..

Not the most expensive in the crown store. DLC costs the most for the company to make. If you think it costs less to make TG than a black camel ....lol. They need money to make dlc. With no DLC, people get bored and start leaving. "Once in a while won't cut it". Regular free DLC is not sustainable. Fluff only goes so far. How many different mounts and pets do I really need?

Most F2P games rely on P2W items, hard paywalls, and/or in game advertising among other things. If those things happen in eso, people will leave in droves. F2P DLC usually is lackluster and emphasizes the P2W cash shop. F2P games usually have very short lives as people get sick of the P2W mechanics.

Considering the amount of people I see in the current DLCs, and people I see asking about it in game, I am not worried about the quarterly DLC business model.

Tldr, I disagree that they need to release free dlc and that new people will leave because of it. If they like the game, they will buy it to continue the experience.

FloppyFrank

They should just follow WOW's model where they make last year's dlc available when a new one comes out

Pepsi2853_ESO

FloppyFrank wrote: »

They should just follow WOW's model where they make last year's dlc available when a new one comes out

i second this.

cyx54tc

wait...$60 + $80 = $125?

ScooberSteve

Stop being a whiney crybaby. Get s job support the game you love. Yes subscribing is more than enough.

Gidorick

cyx54tc wrote: »

wait...$60 + $80 = $125?

Divide the 6, carry the 2... Yea. Seems right.

lihentian

Katahdin wrote: »

Not the most expensive in the crown store. DLC costs the most for the company to make. If you think it costs less to make TG than a black camel ....lol. They need money to make dlc. With no DLC, people get bored and start leaving. "Once in a while won't cut it". Regular free DLC is not sustainable. Fluff only goes so far. How many different mounts and pets do I really need?

Most F2P games rely on P2W items, hard paywalls, and/or in game advertising among other things. If those things happen in eso, people will leave in droves. F2P DLC usually is lackluster and emphasizes the P2W cash shop. F2P games usually have very short lives as people get sick of the P2W mechanics.

Considering the amount of people I see in the current DLCs, and people I see asking about it in game, I am not worried about the quarterly DLC business model.

Tldr, I disagree that they need to release free dlc and that new people will leave because of it. If they like the game, they will buy it to continue the experience.

First- this game is not f2p, it is b2p. you need to pay $60 to play it.
Second- this game already have 3 dlc.. which make grand total of 140..
Third- not every f2p have p2w item.. depend on what you meant by p2w.. eso have aweful alot of stuff in their crown store. motif, crafting motif, potion, repair kit, crafting material.. beside those cosmetic item.. a fast mount will definitely do some good in pvp.. no?

p.s. it take us 3 hours to find 12 player to do maw ....... am not sure about the population.. sure there are around twenty people farming boss last week, but that is for motif.. many people stayed there for days(like me) to grind these damn motif..

edit: just so you know this isn't the only mmo out there.. there is gw2, there is bdo, there is wow.. many other games..if they make 4 dlc a year and sale each for 20~30 each.. it basically cost the same as a sub model.. and it is already proven that we don't have enough player willing to pay 100+ a year to play this game.

cyx54tc wrote: »

wait...$60 + $80 = $125?

well i did two calculation, first using us dollar.. then i decide to change it to Canadian dollar and guessing i left some part unchanged..

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Stop being a whiney crybaby. Get s job support the game you love. Yes subscribing is more than enough.

am ok with buying dlc, and i do have dlc.. it is the future of eso am worried about..

let me ask you a simple question: Lets say you are a big elder scroll fun. you found out this game 4 years from now. by then this game should have 12(upcoming)+3(released)=15 dlc. each DLC cost around 20~30 dollars. lets take 25 for average.

4 years later if you want to start the game with full content without sub, it will cost you.. 375(dlc)+60(base game) = 435 dollars

are you.. or are you not willing to pay 435 dollars to play an mmo that you don't know much about??

p.s. sure you can sub, but have already been prove that we don't have enough player base to support a sub model, that is why eso went b2p one year from now..

Ra'Shtar

I'm guessing your first language is the beautiful french oui monsieur?

NightSky

lihentian wrote: »

let me ask you a simple question: Lets say you are a big elder scroll fun. you found out this game 4 years from now. by then this game should have 12(upcoming)+3(released)=15 dlc. each DLC cost around 20~30 dollars. lets take 25 for average.

4 years later if you want to start the game with full content without sub, it will cost you.. 375(dlc)+60(base game) = 435 dollars

are you.. or are you not willing to pay 435 dollars to play an mmo that you don't know much about??

p.s. sure you can sub, but have already been prove that we don't have enough player base to support a sub model, that is why eso went b2p one year from now..

I do leave myself, if i just started the game and had to pay close to 400 to acquire the "Full Game"
-Good topic too

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Come on now you do get quite a lot for your money with these DLCs. Look at how huge wrothgar is.

Katahdin

lihentian wrote: »

First- this game is not f2p, it is b2p. you need to pay $60 to play it.

I know this. I was continuing your comparison to F2P games in your previous post and why I disagree that ESO should go to a free DLC like a F2P game does. Please dont confuse my response to your comparison as my saying that ESO is F2P.

lihentian wrote: »

Third- not every f2p have p2w item.. depend on what you meant by p2w.. eso have aweful alot of stuff in their crown store. motif, crafting motif, potion, repair kit, crafting material.. beside those cosmetic item.. a fast mount will definitely do some good in pvp.. no?

p.s. it take us 3 hours to find 12 player to do maw ....... am not sure about the population.. sure there are around twenty people farming boss last week, but that is for motif.. many people stayed there for days(like me) to grind these damn motif..

Trials are a very specialized thing. Many want you on a voice server with them for communication. Its hard to pug a trial, most are not willing to do that. Also there are lower level people in the zone that cant do the trial yet.

lihentian wrote: »

edit: just so you know this isn't the only mmo out there.. there is gw2, there is bdo, there is wow.. many other games..if they make 4 dlc a year and sale each for 20~30 each.. it basically cost the same as a sub model.. and it is already proven that we don't have enough player willing to pay 100+ a year to play this game.

Yes I am aware that there are other MMOs out there. I played GW2 for 3 years. I stopped playing because they ruined the game with their HOT expansion. I havent logged in regularly in months. I played GW1 for 6 years. BDO is crap. I never played WoW (and glad I didnt). We have plenty of people paying the sub, buying DLCs and buying other stuff out of the crown store. Just look at the variety and number of different pets and mounts that people are using, they are most definitely paying.

lihentian wrote: »

am ok with buying dlc, and i do have dlc.. it is the future of eso am worried about..

ESO will be fine

lihentian wrote: »

let me ask you a simple question: Lets say you are a big elder scroll fun. you found out this game 4 years from now. by then this game should have 12(upcoming)+3(released)=15 dlc. each DLC cost around 20~30 dollars. lets take 25 for average.

4 years later if you want to start the game with full content without sub, it will cost you.. 375(dlc)+60(base game) = 435 dollars

are you.. or are you not willing to pay 435 dollars to play an mmo that you don't know much about??

p.s. sure you can sub, but have already been prove that we don't have enough player base to support a sub model, that is why eso went b2p one year from now..

Yes I would buy the DLCs or I would sub as I am doing now. Just because it has 10+ DLCs after 3 years and you just started the game doesnt mean you have to buy them all at once. You can buy them one at a time. And yes people that like the game will do that. People spent $15 a month for WoW for 10 years on top of purchasing each expansion. If they like ESO they will buy them here too.

Argail99

lihentian wrote: »

4 years later if you want to start the game with full content without sub, it will cost you.. 375(dlc)+60(base game) = 435 dollars

are you.. or are you not willing to pay 435 dollars to play an mmo that you don't know much about??

No, you will not do this. You will become ESO PLUS Customer und you can Play all for 20 (??) Dollars per month.

b92303008rwb17_ESO

I don't see where the anxiety comes from. I don't have to run a company myself to know that ZOS will one day make some earlier DLCs a bundle or something like that and sell it at a lower price. And the base game is almost always at an discount. So calm down pal.

For those who are not willing to and can't afford a 100 or so to play, I would suggest them simply go get a job.

KhajiitiLizard

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

You need to release DLC quarterly or run the risk of your player base becoming board and leaving for another game. I'd rather have too much content than not enough. I'm not forced to buy the DLC. I bought Orsinium but I did not get Imperial City and I'm more of a PvE'er.

Releasing DLC is not normal for MMOs. It's mostly expansion packs and little additions like new dungeons or raids.

Most MMOs have special events (holidays and other things) and little content updates to keep people playing. And when the time comes they release an expansion. 4 major content releases a year is madness. No wonder there's so many bugs.

WillhelmBlack

Sub is great, when the servers eventually go offline or you get bored you just cancel it. It should have always been sub only, we wouldn't have such a dumbed down game we have now.

scorpiodog

Just wait and buy stuff when they give a special price:
Imperial edition: $35
5500 Crown Pack: $25 each

I don't see value for money in a subscription for myself, especially when you lose everything when you stop paying.