Stamina Players Need Better Sustain

KingDuncanVII

It sucks that all Stamina players who want sustain have to use a 2H (Rally) + Vigor.

1. It forces PvE players to play PvP to get the best Stamina heal (Vigor).
2. It forces Stamina players to slot a 2H as one of their weapons for its Rally heal.

I mean, aren't their non-magical ways to heal (other than potions with a 45-second cooldown). I wish there were some better options that don't force Stamina players into a certain build. And we need something attainable for Stamina PvE players. Otherwise, if they don't have a healer friend, they are going to be screwed in a lot of scenarios.

I literally had to switch my Stamblade into a Magblade with a Resto Healing Ward just to survive because Vigor and Rally are HoTs and if you're constantly getting hit hard by multiple enemies, there is only little you can do to survive AND defeat your enemies.

And it's not like I can kill them off one by one because all groups have a sixth sense where they can feel one another's pain and all come after you even if they didn't see you.

There needs to be better sustain abilities for Stam users or Stamina morphs for the sustaining class abilities.

SHADOW2KK

Hmmm, put more CPs into Blessed, increase healing from Vigour, also use Siphoning Strikes, have WW ulti slotted.

Put more CPs into Warlord/Mooncalf.

Pretty easy to sustain in PvE/PvP

KingDuncanVII

@SHADOW2KK But that's my point. PvE players have to grind AP to unlock Vigor which means they will be forced to PvP.

And Siphoning Strikes give me resources, not heals. Are you referring to Leeching Strike? That reduces damage by 20%? I'll have to test that out.

But, nonetheless, I'm not speaking for Nightblades, specifically. I mean all Stamina users.

Zanen

I haven't really felt like I lacked healing on any of my stamina characters, except my DK since DB got nerfed, so I run 2H, but all the other classes have plenty of heals available, especially for PVE.

Agree that Rally should be a universal skill, put it in the fighters guild. It's too good and makes 2H too attractive.

I've played my stamblade extensively without rally or vigor slotted and it works fine in solo and group PVE. It's more of a problem in PVP but vigor is super easy to acquire now.

Try using engine guardian if you're not getting enough from your class heals solo. It's an incredible amount of regen for two slots.

I thought this thread was going to be about stamina sustain, have more trouble with that when I'm running a full damage build without engine guardian or a Templar tossing shards.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Hmm something about stamina ?



Time to get the troll shield ready for magicka users QQ.

GreenSoup2HoT

I'm in the same boat you are. I have an imperial stamina nightblade and im considering going to magicka even though my passives don't really work well for the job.

Stamina heals are just to slow unless you have major mending like dk's. Cloak is the only way for me to hide and heal up but in most cases people know how to counter cloak.

If i die, i die. I don't really care anymore.

clayandaudrey_ESO

What are you dying to in pve? Serious question. I have no problem on my stamblade using swallow soul as my heal.

KingDuncanVII

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

What are you dying to in pve? Serious question. I have no problem on my stamblade using swallow soul as my heal.

But that scales off of Magicka. And I need to use my Mass Hysteria and Cloak so they are already eating my low Magicka resources. More than two actively used Magicka-based abilities is too much.

OrphanHelgen

1: pvp players are forced to pve too for specific sets too so it goes both ways
2: Rally heal no needed when you have vigor, stamina also have ulitily like more blocking, speed, interrupting and roll dodge.

Buffler

Use soul tether ultimate, another good heal there

KingDuncanVII

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

1: pvp players are forced to pve too for specific sets too so it goes both ways
2: Rally heal no needed when you have vigor, stamina also have ulitily like more blocking, speed, interrupting and roll dodge.

1. I'm not talking about sets, I'm talking about sustaining abilities (i.e. Self Heals and HoTs). The same can be said for the sets that PvE players have to go into Cyrodiil to get. But that's irrelevant to the issue at hand.
2. All that utility means Stamina users will attack less because it's pulling from their Stamina resources. They're not replenishing their health which means they'll eventually be in a very sticky situation once they use up their resource trying to not take any more damage. And again, Vigor shouldn't be the only good Stamina sustain ability (other than Rally).

Acrolas

I don't think heals are the solution.

I think progress in dodge/parry is. Ways to avoid being hit in the first place and scales to your stamina.

It's kind of silly that when you go fight level 30 mobs as a level 20 they dodge most of your hits, yet a level 10 in non-vet PVP can get hits on a level 45 without any trouble.

KingDuncanVII

Buffler wrote: »

Use soul tether ultimate, another good heal there

I agree. If only it scaled to Stamina...

Buffler

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Use soul tether ultimate, another good heal there

I agree. If only it scaled to Stamina...

Its an ultimate, i thought it scaled off whatever was highest, spell or weapon damage??

Im a stamblade and it does 12k damage with 1.7k heal per sec each person as long as they are tethered

clayandaudrey_ESO

You didn't say what you are dying to. Just another why I can't do something post. Please tell me what is giving you problems that you need something you don't have. I and others aren't having the problems you have stated so o am just curious.

OrphanHelgen

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

1: pvp players are forced to pve too for specific sets too so it goes both ways
2: Rally heal no needed when you have vigor, stamina also have ulitily like more blocking, speed, interrupting and roll dodge.

1. I'm not talking about sets, I'm talking about sustaining abilities (i.e. Self Heals and HoTs). The same can be said for the sets that PvE players have to go into Cyrodiil to get. But that's irrelevant to the issue at hand.
2. All that utility means Stamina users will attack less because it's pulling from their Stamina resources. They're not replenishing their health which means they'll eventually be in a very sticky situation once they use up their resource trying to not take any more damage. And again, Vigor shouldn't be the only good Stamina sustain ability (other than Rally).

I see your point and you are right. I personal are just happy there is two different playstyles, stamina and magicka. I see stamina as a quick ulitily playstyle.
Its also about personal playstyle too, I can complete vet maelstrom with 2-3 deaths only and good score on a melee stamina, but on magicka sorc thats supposed to be the easiest one and most OP, I struggle.

strikeback1247

Stam dk's have pretty great sustainability. Igneous shield + vigor and rally is some great survivability. Put on top of that the other buffs and resource management skills. I'm not really complaining

Zanen

If cloak and fear are the only magicka abilities you're slotting then let me suggest adding double take and reapers mark to your bars if you don't want to use rally or vigor. Tether is also extremely good in public dungeons or anyplace else you have a lot of mobs to deal with, ambush, tether, tornado.

Stamblade has to evade damage long enough to kill something you've marked or executed, you might need more defensive abilities/stats, or more mobility, or just more damage or regen, it depends what weapons you're using. The only time it should ever get hairy in solo PVE is if you're facing multiple CC immune boss mobs. Try marking the healers in the bigger groups so they die midfight and give you that massive heal.

All that said, I still find using 2H, even if it's only as a buff/execute bar, substantially easier to play. I often will run rally/executioner/doubletake/caltrops/flex as an off-bar with any of the other weapons. With cloak on the front bar you have plenty of time to swap, buff, drop caltrops and swap back if you need to reset.

LorDrek

Stamina have nothing, no stamina regen in block, sprint, hide moving, ZOS miss no stamina regen in combat. Pls remove stamina builds.

zyk

I can't speak to PVE concerns for stam builds, but sustain is definitely not an issue for PVP stamina builds.

kuro-dono

the problem here clearly is> too many people try to be elite minmaxer which means> glass cannon and you dont have enough to keep it up for very long if you dont get the job done> to make you immortal also would be little bit too much to ask.

DRXHarbinger

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Use soul tether ultimate, another good heal there

I agree. If only it scaled to Stamina...

It does. All ulti does.