Best MMO 2015

Lava_Croft

Well underway to becoming the best MMO of 2016.

stealthyevil

LOL.

Xvorg

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Well underway to becoming the best MMO of 2016.

Well, Star Citizen in middle of Star Wars EP 7 and 8...done by the guy who gave us Wing Commander and Freelancer...

The only thing missing is a wookie... or a racoon with a knack for weapons...

mchermie

Such BS.
Fps is worse, load screens are longer, rendering is slower and ms is so huge due to the lack of non-poplocked campaigns to play on. Except for the one with no cp on. Thank god I didnt grind cp like so many of us did... eh. Such a waste of time.
Cant believe ive been paying this company to make their game even worse. I'm actually starting to feel the nostalgia for 1.7 now

Göttermutter

In old speaches it`s called, more lesser doesent go to call it PvP. Now think about a MMO and the beginning great poses of a senior Dvelopper,the name will not written here, because such brings you only to spite out your stomage.

AhPook_Is_Here

Xvorg wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Well underway to becoming the best MMO of 2016.

Well, Star Citizen in middle of Star Wars EP 7 and 8...done by the guy who gave us Wing Commander and Freelancer...

The only thing missing is a wookie... or a racoon with a knack for weapons...

I don't think star citizen is going to be that good. having said that, if you aren't in love with character dolls, elite: dangerous is an awesome space sim. I have likely logged more hours in that game than this.

Knootewoot

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Well underway to becoming the best MMO of 2016.

I smell sarcasm. Last time i logged in (2 days ago) i was ready to stick rusty nails into my eye.

HoloYoitsu

I agree OP, ZOS leadership has demonstrated it has everything needed to forge bravely ahead into a new era of glory.

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is doing awesomely! Our success has gone a bit under the radar so to speak

Matt Firor wrote:

I’m also extremely happy with how our technology works behind the scenes. We don’t get to talk about that enough, but we seamlessly hide server transitions and instancing

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is not really a traditional MMO, so we don’t use that term much around the office

Rich Lambert wrote:

Player feedback is absolutely something we take into account though when determining future fixes or new systems. One really important bit of feedback that we took to heart was that immersion and story are super important

Rich Lambert wrote:

The key for us though has been to try and engage with the player base as much as possible. It’s not easy, and you can’t react or comment on every piece of feedback, but just letting them know that you are there, listening, is huge.

Rich Lambert wrote:

I think they can have a really, really long life, especially if you continue to keep the player base engaged with updates, fixes, and new content. We are committed to keeping the game fresh

Interview with Matt Firor.

Interview with Rich Lambert

GRxKnight

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I agree OP, ZOS leadership has demonstrated it has everything needed to forge bravely ahead into a new era of glory.

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is doing awesomely! Our success has gone a bit under the radar so to speak

Matt Firor wrote:

I’m also extremely happy with how our technology works behind the scenes. We don’t get to talk about that enough, but we seamlessly hide server transitions and instancing

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is not really a traditional MMO, so we don’t use that term much around the office

Rich Lambert wrote:

Player feedback is absolutely something we take into account though when determining future fixes or new systems. One really important bit of feedback that we took to heart was that immersion and story are super important

Rich Lambert wrote:

The key for us though has been to try and engage with the player base as much as possible. It’s not easy, and you can’t react or comment on every piece of feedback, but just letting them know that you are there, listening, is huge.

Rich Lambert wrote:

I think they can have a really, really long life, especially if you continue to keep the player base engaged with updates, fixes, and new content. We are committed to keeping the game fresh

Interview with Matt Firor.

Interview with Rich Lambert

god that is rich...just...wow...

KenaPKK

You can be the best at anything if there's no competition.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

KenaPKK wrote: »

You can be the best at anything if there's no competition.

Ya I mean they were competing against Wildstar which flopped hard and SWTOR which is what 5 years old now?

ScarecrowBoat

Göttermutter wrote: »

In old speaches it`s called, more lesser doesent go to call it PvP. Now think about a MMO and the beginning great poses of a senior Dvelopper,the name will not written here, because such brings you only to spite out your stomage.

Wat

Alcast

hahaahahah

KenaPKK

ZoS either doesn't realize that their game is dying, or they don't care and are just trying to cash out as it goes.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

KenaPKK wrote: »

ZoS either doesn't realize that their game is dying, or they don't care and are just trying to cash out as it goes.

People have been claiming this game is "dying" since it launched. While its not perfect its definitely not in any financial trouble.

AbraXuSeXile

ScarecrowBoat wrote: »

Göttermutter wrote: »

In old speaches it`s called, more lesser doesent go to call it PvP. Now think about a MMO and the beginning great poses of a senior Dvelopper,the name will not written here, because such brings you only to spite out your stomage.

Wat

Haha that guy is famous on eu campaign for talking nonsense, pretty much all eu got him on ignore.

zyk

I don't doubt ESO may be successful. It's just not successful for our audience.

I think what's key is that when ESO began development, World of Warcraft was on top of the gaming world in terms of profits and Skyrim hadn't happened yet. The target audience was MMO enthusiasts.

Since then, the subscription model has essentially collapsed, traditional MMOs are fading away and ultra-casual gamers discovered PC RPGs via Skyrim. Skyrim wasn't merely successful, it was a phenom.

Since launching, ZOS has been working hard to turn ESO into a game the masses who enjoyed Skyrim can enjoy. This is why immersion is important. This is why ezmode is important. This is why the artwork has gone from pseudo-cartoony to pseudo-realistic. And this is why Cyrodiil is an afterthought. ZOS treats us like we don't matter because we probably don't.

This is why I won't buy another Zenimax product. To me, Zenimax isn't much different than Disney. Whatever passion it once had for the TES series and for pushing boundaries is long gone.

Edit: I just want to add, that just because I understand it, doesn't mean I like it. I think @ZOS_MattFiror has demonstrated exceptionally poor ethics in how he has handled our audience. I see him the same way I see John Smedley. /spit

RadioheadSh0t

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

I agree OP, ZOS leadership has demonstrated it has everything needed to forge bravely ahead into a new era of glory.

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is doing awesomely! Our success has gone a bit under the radar so to speak

Matt Firor wrote:

I’m also extremely happy with how our technology works behind the scenes. We don’t get to talk about that enough, but we seamlessly hide server transitions and instancing

Matt Firor wrote:

ESO is not really a traditional MMO, so we don’t use that term much around the office

Rich Lambert wrote:

Player feedback is absolutely something we take into account though when determining future fixes or new systems. One really important bit of feedback that we took to heart was that immersion and story are super important

Rich Lambert wrote:

The key for us though has been to try and engage with the player base as much as possible. It’s not easy, and you can’t react or comment on every piece of feedback, but just letting them know that you are there, listening, is huge.

Rich Lambert wrote:

I think they can have a really, really long life, especially if you continue to keep the player base engaged with updates, fixes, and new content. We are committed to keeping the game fresh

Interview with Matt Firor.

Interview with Rich Lambert

Matt Firor wrote:

If you want to play it solo, like you did with other Elder Scrolls games, you can do that. If you want to play it super-grindy with dungeons, Trials, and group bosses as the core of you experience, you can join up with others and do that too.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/03/the-elder-scrolls-online-interview-making-games-of-this-type-is-really-really-hard-5730186/#ixzz43TVS9duH

And if you want to play versus other players, go eff yourself! The fact that he doesn't even mention PvP shows how little @ZOS_MattFiror cares about PvP.

Xvorg

double post

Xvorg

What is even more amazing, is the fact that ZOS treats its customers (the people who buy the game) as parents that have purchased the game for their kids. In other words: "I don't care about your opinion, just I care about the revenues"

Is ESO a game for teenagers? I doubt it. This game objective points to players who have enjoyed at least the first 4 TES games. It is not "online Skyrim". That's why the antagonist is Mannimarco. That's why there's a Tharn within the 5 companions (and they are important anagonists in the Covenant main story). That's why Almalexia herself gives you some missions.

So we have a game set in a universe in which the most hardcore players have "been around" for almost 10 years. If you were a teenager when Oblivion came out, now you are a grown men. If you play this one is because you can afford it, and not because your parents bought it for you. ESO community, despite some problems between some guilds, is a mature and civilized community who wants to participate actively in the developmnent of the game, giving their opinions, ideas and even knowledge FOR FREE, just because we love TES and we have been dreaming about this game since WoW came out.

What do we get instead?

I understand that the current model tends towards the "almighty development team" who focus more on their development than in the suggestions, but that's the consecuence of F2P, in which very immature and uncivilized communities focus more on fighting between them rather than helping the game, but we are under no reason that kind of community. Do they want us to behave like players in LoL or DotA?

This is an odd community, in terms we are not like any average gaming community. We do not deserve the treatment the development team gives us.

Etaniel

KenaPKK wrote: »

ZoS either doesn't realize that their game is dying, or they don't care and are just trying to cash out as it goes.

Only PvP is dying, Casual PvE Land is thriving

Lastobeth

Etaniel wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

ZoS either doesn't realize that their game is dying, or they don't care and are just trying to cash out as it goes.

Only PvP is dying, Casual PvE Land is thriving

Which is exactly what they are going for, as per MF's recent interview. The new strategy is push out new DLC that attracts the kind of people that want to play the next ES instalment. This isn't an MMO any more, it's a (not very good) RPG with all future locked behind a paywall. ZOS failed at creating a successful MMORPG and rather than try and save it they reinvented it into what we have today.

Great for the casuals but no good for the hardcore MMO players. I can't be angry at that model because it makes sense. Doesn't stop me from feeling disappointed though. Disappointed in what this game could have been...

nyguspleb17_ESO

I hope that Bethesda will remove the company logo from this game cuz it might scare future customers from playing TES games.
There is still hope ,we can crowdfound new eu server for ZOS.

zyk

Etaniel wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

ZoS either doesn't realize that their game is dying, or they don't care and are just trying to cash out as it goes.

Only PvP is dying, Casual PvE Land is thriving

It's not even casual by traditional MMO standards. This is single player ezmode casual.

I remember a time when all games were as challenging as vMA and finishing a game without cheating was considered an accomplishment. Over time, "normal difficulty" became easier and easier until we reached the point where we are now with single player games in that it is almost impossible to fail in almost every game.

Now this level of absurd easy has hit online games. It is this player ESO now primarily caters to. Look at thieves troves. Unguarded loot just lying on the ground in a glowing box that looks like it's from a Mario game and spawns in static locations.

I don't hate the players. But I resent ZOS for neglecting the gamers it first marketed this game to.

I am certain half the client performance issues we've had in Cyrodiil are related to ZOS tweaking rendering and pushing the limitations of its engine to make it look more like Skyrim; creating a multitude of bugs. I am so sick of 10-20 FPS in big fights that used to be 30-40 FPS. I am so sick of the stutter that accompanies the 50% FPS bug--which is on what? Month five?

JamilaRaj

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Well underway to becoming the best MMO of 2016.

Hardly. "Best MMO of" awards are going to cancelled and replaced with "Best beta of" and even though ESO could easily pass for a beta, because it is broken as hell and not getting better, it has officially launched.

Xvorg wrote: »

Well, Star Citizen in middle of Star Wars EP 7 and 8...done by the guy who gave us Wing Commander and Freelancer...

Given all it takes to ruin a game is to add a cash shop, I would prefer 100M spent on making 20 games and hope at least one of them would not add it, rather than one Star Citizen.

yelloweyedemon

uhm.. Sorry to break your doom & gloom bubble, but ESO does deserve the 2015 best MMO and it is probably going for 2016 as well.

It has absolutely zero competition. Have you see what's "hot" in the current MMO market?

-Wow is a 10+ year old game that all it still has is nostalgia.

-GW2 is just a braindead hack n' slash MMO that can't hold semi-serious players for more than a couple of months to the game.

-SWTOR is also called TORtanic for a reason. Going free to play helped a bit but it's still going downhill...

-Wildstar is closing.

-LOTRO is a complete embarrassment of its former self.

-RIFT lost every positive thing it had the moment it became a massive P2W game.

HoloYoitsu

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

uhm.. Sorry to break your doom & gloom bubble, but ESO does deserve the 2015 best MMO and it is probably going for 2016 as well.

It has absolutely zero competition. Have you see what's "hot" in the current MMO market?

-Wow is a 10+ year old game that all it still has is nostalgia.

-GW2 is just a braindead hack n' slash MMO that can't hold semi-serious players for more than a couple of months to the game.

-SWTOR is also called TORtanic for a reason. Going free to play helped a bit but it's still going downhill...

-Wildstar is closing.

-LOTRO is a complete embarrassment of its former self.

-RIFT lost every positive thing it had the moment it became a massive P2W game.

CU beta will probably be more deserving of Best MMO 2016 than ESO.

Likely fewer bugs too.

Mojmir

i vote UO freeservers best mmos 2016

Lastobeth

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

uhm.. Sorry to break your doom & gloom bubble, but ESO does deserve the 2015 best MMO and it is probably going for 2016 as well.

It has absolutely zero competition. Have you see what's "hot" in the current MMO market?

-Wow is a 10+ year old game that all it still has is nostalgia.

-GW2 is just a braindead hack n' slash MMO that can't hold semi-serious players for more than a couple of months to the game.

-SWTOR is also called TORtanic for a reason. Going free to play helped a bit but it's still going downhill...

-Wildstar is closing.

-LOTRO is a complete embarrassment of its former self.

-RIFT lost every positive thing it had the moment it became a massive P2W game.

Check out BDO. Based on my experience thus far it's a strong contender.

JamilaRaj

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

uhm.. Sorry to break your doom & gloom bubble, but ESO does deserve the 2015 best MMO and it is probably going for 2016 as well.

How could ESO deserving it possibly burst it? That is the most sad thing.

Sublime

Lastobeth wrote: »

Great for the casuals but no good for the hardcore MMO players. I can't be angry at that model because it makes sense. Doesn't stop me from feeling disappointed though. Disappointed in what this game could have been...

This about five billion times.