Dumb people have the lead

Lotheimas

Hey guys! This is sugestion/rant.
First of all, i love the new random duengeon finder, i havent encounter any problems with it... only one..
And that is only one person that has the lead of the group. And this wouldnt be such a bad thing if people were a bunch of *** that rather kick people instead of learning...
This is what happened today :
So the gold plegde was The Banished cells.. so since im a tank i can find a group pretty fast via queue.
We got into the duengeon the wiped on every single boss until the last one.. in each i lost my patient and kicked the guy (after consulting with the rest of the group). We found a replacement pretty fast and everything was doing fine but we were strugglin with the last boss... So for the 4th time today i explained the tatics to defeat him..
The new dps that just joined got the lead somehow, but the he kept on dying by standing in the fire.. again i lost my patient and told him to get out of the god damn fire and kill the adds instead of dps the boss.
The guy kicked me. I was in that duengeon for 1.30h , teaching people how to do it and trying to be helpfull and i got kicked because some dumb guy got the lead!
In the end i didnt finish my pledge and i have to go work so im not gonna finish it today.
My suggestion :
Add a vote to kick instead of 1 person having all the power. If the group thinks someone should leave they will vote yes, if no they'll vote no .
I lost 1.30h of the small time i have in my hands to play because of something stupid like this.
Thank you all for the attention (sorry for any spelling mistakes)
Lotheimas

Menelaos

So you tell Zenimax to implement a tool/switch to enable kicking people because in this incident you were not the group leader and thus unable to kick somebody you wanted to? Did I get this right?

Waffennacht

Banished cells is soloable, there ya go

Burning_Talons

Karma is a ***

Vaoh

^

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Seems a little hypocritical to me.

DHale

Yes you kicked someone based on your opinion and someone kicked you based on theirs. Sounds fair... Working as intended.

Lotheimas

Menelaos wrote: »

So you tell Zenimax to implement a tool/switch to enable kicking people because in this incident you were not the group leader and thus unable to kick somebody you wanted to? Did I get this right?

No man.. he just kicked me because he could not because he should..
If such a tool were implemented the group had to vote if they wanted to kick me or not

Lotheimas

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Karma is a ***

I guess it is and u didnt got the point of this post

Lightninvash

Lotheimas wrote: »

Hey guys! This is sugestion/rant.
First of all, i love the new random duengeon finder, i havent encounter any problems with it... only one..
And that is only one person has the lead of the group. And this wouldnt be such a bad thing if people were a bunch of *** that rather kick people instand of learning...
This is what happened today :
So the gold plegde was The Banished cells.. so since im a tank i can find a group pretty fast via queue.
We got into the duengeon the wiped on every single boss until the last one.. in each i lost my patient and kicked the guy (after consulting with the rest of the group). We found a replacement pretty fast and everything was doing fine but we were strugglin wth the last boss... So for the 4th time today i explained the tatics to defeat him..
The new dps that just joined got the lead somehow, but the guy kept on dying by standing in the fire.. again i lost my patient and told him to get out of the god damn fire and kill the adds instead of dps the boss.
The guy kicked me. I was in that duengeon gor 1.30h , teaching people how to do it and trying to be helpfull and i got kicked because some dumb guy got the lead!
In the end i didnt finish my pledge and i have to go work so im not gonna finish it today.
My suggestion :
Add a vote to kick instead of 1 person having all the power. If the group thinks someone should leave they will vote yes, if no they'll vote no .
I lost 1.30h of the small time i have in my hands to play because of something stupid like this.
Thank you all for the attention (sorry for any spelling mistakes)
Lotheimas

only problem is most timers automatically count your vote(the person being chosen) as a no so you just need 1 friend in the group to make it a 50-50 vote and no kick is done. now if they do where you don't get a vote and then it would be a fair system.

Lotheimas

DHale wrote: »

Yes you kicked someone based on your opinion and someone kicked you based on theirs. Sounds fair... Working as intended.

I asked the rest of the group if i should kick him or not the other 2 said yes. Did i wrote something wrong or did u guys not read the "after consulting with rest of the group" part?

Humatiel

DHale wrote: »

Yes you kicked someone based on your opinion and someone kicked you based on theirs. Sounds fair... Working as intended.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Im confused. Do want people to kick rather than teach or the other way around because if you would rather have people teach than kick then you are being pretty hypocritical.

Lotheimas

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Seems a little hypocritical to me.

Ur missing the point.
You kick someone because they refuse to listen to you and the rest of the group and are ruining the duengeon for everyone.
You kick then for shoutting at you for always dying and wiping the rest of the group.
And again whenni kicked the other dps was with the permition of the rest of group. Not only my opinion

Menelaos

Lotheimas wrote: »

I asked the rest of the group if i should kick him or not the other 2 said yes. Did i wrote something wrong or did u guys not read the "after consulting with rest of the group" part?

Maybe when he kicked you he first "consulted" with the others because he had enough of you telling people how to f***ing play? Anyway, since you also had the group lead on several prior occasions I find your thread title pretty revealing.

Lotheimas

Menelaos wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

I asked the rest of the group if i should kick him or not the other 2 said yes. Did i wrote something wrong or did u guys not read the "after consulting with rest of the group" part?

Maybe when he kicked you he first "consulted" with the others because he had enough of you telling people how to f***ing play? Anyway, since you also had the group lead on several prior occasions I find your thread title pretty revealing.

@Menelaos I dont even know how to anwser to that. If someone doesnt know the mechanics to defeat a boss.. Shouldnt i. That knows them teach him?
Are u just trolling or saying no because its funnier? Dezens of mmos use the tool im sugesting! And what if i was the dumb one? What gives me the right o kick people for no reason?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Lotheimas wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Seems a little hypocritical to me.

Ur missing the point.
You kick someone because they refuse to listen to you and the rest of the group and are ruining the duengeon for everyone.
You kick then for shoutting at you for always dying and wiping the rest of the group.
And again whenni kicked the other dps was with the permition of the rest of group. Not only my opinion

Hey some people just don't like being yelled at. Maybe if you calmly helped him out it would have ended differently. And it is kinda hard to understand the point of this post when its confusing to read with the mistakes in it.

starkerealm

Lotheimas wrote: »

The guy kicked me. I was in that duengeon gor 1.30h , teaching people how to do it and trying to be helpfull and i got kicked because some dumb guy got the lead!

Sounds more like it was some kid, rather than a true idiot. But, you know... same result.

Menelaos

Lotheimas wrote: »

What gives me the right o kick people for no reason?

I cannot give you the answer to that. Only you can. And no, I am not trolling. How often I heard that people were kicked because they didn't play the way some father figure wanted them to is beyond count. I am very sorry for your loss of 90 minutes life time. I hope next time you will find more joy when doing Banished Cells, I really do; either as leader, as consultant or a consulted one.

KochDerDamonen

Goodness some people get really worked up at the idea that some particular person's "different" play might just be bad. I've done my fair share of helping folks in dungeons and I enjoy it. Some are too hardheaded, not paying attention to the chat, or purposefully spiteful to pick things up when you try to share mechanics and general advice and your only options right now are hope that they're not the leader or that the rest of your group can pick up the slack. In a truly random group this becomes harder because you don't know the other two players, and you may not synergize with eachother's play naturally.

I'm all for a votekick system in the random queue groups, if three people in a group of four can agree the fourth is undesirable I think that's fair enough. Make some anti-trolling implements like not letting someone get kicked from the dungeon during combat so there's no instances of someone getting booted before completion they deserve.

eliisra

When a "dumb person" accidentally gets lead due to DC or similar, you gotta be smart about getting it back. Be nice. Raging and telling him to pass so you can kick, is a bad idea lol. Forsure he will kick you first or disband group. Who the hell would politely pass lead after being threatened and insulated?

You can for example ask him to put crown on the tank, so healer knows where to position and throw spears. Help the healer out right! Even if it's a lie(because hardly needed in most content) it's still a reasonable request. Than you go ahead and kick.

Selstad

Vote kick does offer its challenges as well. In WoW per example, the vote kick has been abused the hell out of, mostly because people don't bother reading why someone is voted to be removed, they just click "accept" and kick someone for no apparent reason.

It is better than opting a leader to take the charges, but not by much. It's still open to being abused.

Unfortunately, I think the only solution is to remove as much power from players as possible. So the system would have to be build where no one has the power to kick someone, and when you right click to kick someone, your vote is held in the system for 5 seconds. Within that 5 second time window, the other group members have to right click and kick for the vote to pass.

DaveMoeDee

Lotheimas wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Seems a little hypocritical to me.

Ur missing the point.
You kick someone because they refuse to listen to you and the rest of the group and are ruining the duengeon for everyone.
You kick then for shoutting at you for always dying and wiping the rest of the group.
And again whenni kicked the other dps was with the permition of the rest of group. Not only my opinion

I'm curious about your communication style while trying to coach people.

Reevster

This is why I don't do these pledges, I don't need some hot head yelling at me for messing up a few times, i would rather go play solo somewhere else at my own pace.

LadyNalcarya

Lotheimas wrote: »

Hey guys! This is sugestion/rant.
First of all, i love the new random duengeon finder, i havent encounter any problems with it... only one..
And that is only one person has the lead of the group. And this wouldnt be such a bad thing if people were a bunch of *** that rather kick people instand of learning...
This is what happened today :
So the gold plegde was The Banished cells.. so since im a tank i can find a group pretty fast via queue.
We got into the duengeon the wiped on every single boss until the last one.. in each i lost my patient and kicked the guy (after consulting with the rest of the group). We found a replacement pretty fast and everything was doing fine but we were strugglin wth the last boss... So for the 4th time today i explained the tatics to defeat him..
The new dps that just joined got the lead somehow, but the guy kept on dying by standing in the fire.. again i lost my patient and told him to get out of the god damn fire and kill the adds instead of dps the boss.
The guy kicked me. I was in that duengeon gor 1.30h , teaching people how to do it and trying to be helpfull and i got kicked because some dumb guy got the lead!
In the end i didnt finish my pledge and i have to go work so im not gonna finish it today.
My suggestion :
Add a vote to kick instead of 1 person having all the power. If the group thinks someone should leave they will vote yes, if no they'll vote no .
I lost 1.30h of the small time i have in my hands to play because of something stupid like this.
Thank you all for the attention (sorry for any spelling mistakes)
Lotheimas

My advice - if you see such group, just leave immediately. Its better to lose 10 minutes and jump into another group than waste your time and nerves.
You will never be good enough for this kind of people and they will always make a scapegoat out of you. So there's no reason to help them.

HaldaAinur

Well, if you kick because someone done goofed, someone's going to kick you one day for their own reasons.

I will say people take this game a little too seriously when someone messes up, and a few can be a little ott in terms of their reactions to it. Sometimes you just have to learn to listen to what to what they have to say (I've been that knuckle-head who refused to listen at one point), and bear with it. Most are good enough to cooperate with, and we all learn from each other.

Other times, when you're stuck with someone who is just being a drama llama, it can be best to leave, and find a group you feel you work best with.

Trust me, I get your frustration- I've been the idiot, and the one who gives advice, but sometimes you can only do so much. Approach with politeness, solve what you can through communication, but if the worst comes to be, you're better off ignoring it or walking away.

Burning_Talons

Lotheimas wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Yes you kicked someone based on your opinion and someone kicked you based on theirs. Sounds fair... Working as intended.

I asked the rest of the group if i should kick him or not the other 2 said yes. Did i wrote something wrong or did u guys not read the "after consulting with rest of the group" part?

You dont kick someone who ran through the WHOLE dungeon with you thats a waste of time if you want a new group then you leave

Forestd16b14_ESO

Hmm sounds like Karma decide to slap some of her wrath into you.

Maybe next time don't be "that guy" and talk to the guy instead of just kicking.

Lotheimas

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm sounds like Karma decide to slap some of her wrath into you.

Maybe next time don't be "that guy" and talk to the guy instead of just kicking.

Im assuming u cant read since i said that i tried to explain him more than a couple of times

Lotheimas

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Yes you kicked someone based on your opinion and someone kicked you based on theirs. Sounds fair... Working as intended.

I asked the rest of the group if i should kick him or not the other 2 said yes. Did i wrote something wrong or did u guys not read the "after consulting with rest of the group" part?

You dont kick someone who ran through the WHOLE dungeon with you thats a waste of time if you want a new group then you leave

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Lotheimas wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Yes you kicked someone based on your opinion and someone kicked you based on theirs. Sounds fair... Working as intended.

I asked the rest of the group if i should kick him or not the other 2 said yes. Did i wrote something wrong or did u guys not read the "after consulting with rest of the group" part?

You dont kick someone who ran through the WHOLE dungeon with you thats a waste of time if you want a new group then you leave

Because we all like to carry people

crislevin

let it go, this is not a democracy. why keep infuriating yourself?