Please Zenimax make Roots actually Root

Burning_Talons

I'm tired of my Talons being completely useless because sorcs just streak away or NBs just ambush spam me but talons can get me from dragon leaping? Doesn't make sense. So please make it root the player completely even if it means increased cost or something
@ZOS

acw37162

I know you mean for them to fix something that's broken but the way you've phrased it is just asking for a buff to immobilizes and snares which are already entirely to powerfull.

Strider_Roshin

Get rid of the dodge roll cool down and I say you've got yourself a deal. Right now roots are too powerful against stamina players.

raasdal

It is working as intended.

Both streak and ambush are Teleports.

Burning_Talons

raasdal wrote: »

It is working as intended.

Both streak and ambush are Teleports.

No its not, If you look at a sorc streak off a mountain the talons are still on him but floating so its should still affect him. Also dk chains do the same

Brrrofski

Talons don't need buffing. The lack of root immunity is so broken.

Burning_Talons

Brrrofski wrote: »

Talons don't need buffing. The lack of root immunity is so broken.

We need CC since we cant run away or heal good

Brrrofski

Fossilise, stone first.

Roots are broken and abused right now. There needs to be a cooldown of some sort.

DKsUnite

back at the very beginning of the game i asked why skills such as streak were still useable while in talons. If you are rooted you should not be able to move. The dev told me "we deem some abilities more powerful then others hence why streak for example works while in talons and skills such as invasion dont."

So basically, they deem ambush and streak more powerful then dragon leap..... an ultimate.... where you literally grow wings and fly through the air like a dragon....

makes sense. ZOS Logic

Burning_Talons

Brrrofski wrote: »

Fossilise, stone first.

Roots are broken and abused right now. There needs to be a cooldown of some sort.

Ill accept that as soon as
Fear breaks on damage
Wards have a cooldown
BoL has a cast time

Burning_Talons

DKsUnite wrote: »

back at the very beginning of the game i asked why skills such as streak were still useable while in talons. If you are rooted you should not be able to move. The dev told me "we deem some abilities more powerful then others hence why streak for example works while in talons and skills such as invasion dont."

So basically, they deem ambush and streak more powerful then dragon leap..... an ultimate.... where you literally grow wings and fly through the air like a dragon....

makes sense. ZOS Logic

Wow Zeni

Brrrofski

Look, I play DKs too, so it's not an anti Dk thing.

Why should someone be able to lock someone in place over and over and over.

Only way to break it is dodge roll or purge. Either way, it takes more resource to break than root. So you keep doing it and I'll be out of resources on whatever I'm using before you.

It's too much.

Burning_Talons

Brrrofski wrote: »

Look, I play DKs too, so it's not an anti Dk thing.

Why should someone be able to lock someone in place over and over and over.

Only way to break it is dodge roll or purge. Either way, it takes more resource to break than root. So you keep doing it and I'll be out of resources on whatever I'm using before you.

It's too much.

Sorcs can also do this though while spamming sheilds and have an escape
You take root efficiency from a DK what do you get? Some guy spamming noodle whip because Talons is also use to activate powerlasg and get a nice heal

Brrrofski

I know sorcs can. Which is why i specified it wasn't a DK thing. The Sorc root is barely used, cripple isn't spammed. Ambush is another spammed culprit.

Like I said, I'm not anti Dk, I'm anti root spam. The lack of damage magica DKs is an issue itself. But spamming roots shouldn't be the answer to low damage.

Bfish22090

you clearly havent played in cyordil if you think roots need buffed.
bombard/talons spam is the most op thing in the game atm next to vicious death
roots need a cooldown if anything

Burning_Talons

Bfish22090 wrote: »

you clearly havent played in cyordil if you think roots need buffed.
bombard/talons spam is the most op thing in the game atm next to vicious death
roots need a cooldown if anything

I played Cyrodil and I think roots that are abilities need changed to work right not BS snares like mob hits and gap closers

LBxFinalDeath

If talons didn't rip people out of stealth if they are anywhere in the vicinity of the DK using said talons, I wouldn't care if they grounded a out of stealth NB so they can't spambush or lotuspam without cc breaking or stop a sorc from streaking.

Just my two cents anyway.

Burning_Talons

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

If talons didn't rip people out of stealth if they are anywhere in the vicinity of the DK using said talons, I wouldn't care if they grounded a out of stealth NB so they can't spambush or lotuspam without cc breaking or stop a sorc from streaking.

Just my two cents anyway.

6m radius is really small plus a nb can cloak and be immune to anything thats not aoe while inside talons. Cloak isnt suppose to wipe you from existence

LBxFinalDeath

Incorrect Talons.

Single target skills target Nightblades through stealth, crystal frags for example will knock a NB down who is cloaked but he won't pop out of stealth til he gets up.

Look at their health next time it happens for proof, it'll be lower than when they went into stealth.

As you said also AoE skills like talons and other skills that require no target will latch onto a NB who is in stealth and rip them out of stealth.

At that point just spam talons as friendlies beat on the defenseless NB

Cloak makes you immune to nothing but being visible to enemies and as such gives a NB the ability to reset fights if their opponent doesn't have any of the previously mentioned moves...which also includes hidden blade (for single target moves)...inevitable det is a perfect counter to NBs since if you start the cast as they cloak you'll complete the animation and cast it regardless.

Combine it with curse as they pop out and R.I.P NB.

I've been mean to a lot of Nightblades.

Burning_Talons

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Incorrect Talons.

Single target skills target Nightblades through stealth, crystal frags for example will knock a NB down who is cloaked but he won't pop out of stealth til he gets up.

Look at their health next time it happens for proof, it'll be lower than when they went into stealth.

As you said also AoE skills like talons and other skills that require no target will latch onto a NB who is in stealth and rip them out of stealth.

At that point just spam talons as friendlies beat on the defenseless NB

Cloak makes you immune to nothing but being visible to enemies and as such gives a NB the ability to reset fights if their opponent doesn't have any of the previously mentioned moves...which also includes hidden blade (for single target moves)...inevitable det is a perfect counter to NBs since if you start the cast as they cloak you'll complete the animation and cast it regardless.

Combine it with curse as they pop out and R.I.P NB.

I've been mean to a lot of Nightblades.

So explain to me how my NB can cloak a meteor, WB, destro abilities
Ect?

Chadwikid

Talons allow a dk to do what it is supposed to do control the fight/battlefield. They are also pivotal to,out healing and dps. There are several hard counters to talons and other roots. The same goes for every other skill that people tend to *** about (cloak for example). Therefore I'd say use them or find some other way to adapt and move on just like the rest of us do with other skills that we choose not to use the several hard counters in the game for.

LBxFinalDeath

Nightblades that dodge those abilities have to dodge roll or cloak before you even start the animation for the skills with a follow up cloak.

Meteor I can guarantee does not get cloaked.

I've dabbled with being the one attacking NBs and as well being the one being attacked.

acw37162

Please Zenimax do not buff roots, immobilizes, disorients, or hard CC they are insanely cheap completely overpowered while the counter to them are few, expensive, Or come with escalating cost.

They are ridiciously overpowered and have been for awhile.

This is without even mentioning that soft cc into hard cc is damn near unbreakable stun lock under current game conditions and not just over powered but completely broken and has been since prior to console launch.

Repo step are all over YouTube but hey six plus months of broken CC is awesome someone deserves a raise, promotion, parade, coronation.

Great job on the phase in mechanic for the dromathra senche that will be coming to the crown store soon for purchase, it looks fantastic.

Jade1986

Talons do not need a nerf at all. DKs were built for heavy armor and have really bad heals and no escapes, so they need to be able to keep enemies close. If you are running out of stamina as a stam nb, sorc or templar roll dodging away after 1 or two times, you are doing something wrong. If you are right next to a dk as a ranged class, well, you are SUPPOSED to be at a disadvantage, they are melee, you are not, they excel in melee range, you do not.

Tankqull

laced wrote: »

Talons do not need a nerf at all. DKs were built for heavy armor and have really bad heals and no escapes, so they need to be able to keep enemies close. If you are running out of stamina as a stam nb, sorc or templar roll dodging away after 1 or two times, you are doing something wrong. If you are right next to a dk as a ranged class, well, you are SUPPOSED to be at a disadvantage, they are melee, you are not, they excel in melee range, you do not.

i do agree even though they or better all roots could use a spellcost treatment like bolt escape, but mainly due to no root cc immunity in this game.
but beside a small dmg increasmenet their is no need for a buff either.

raasdal

Regarding NB and cloak there is misinformation here. I consistently cloak away from frags already in the air. There are only a very very few single target projectiles that cannot be cloaked once the animation has started. One of them is dark flare for example. But frags are definetly not one of them. The thing about frags hitting cloaked NB is just wrong.

raasdal

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Nightblades that dodge those abilities have to dodge roll or cloak before you even start the animation for the skills with a follow up cloak.

Meteor I can guarantee does not get cloaked.

I've dabbled with being the one attacking NBs and as well being the one being attacked.

Forgot to quote in previous post. Dont know what game you play, but all this wrong. I consistently cloak meteor and frags already in the air.

LBxFinalDeath

I'll just assume you have neither played as a Sorc or a NB.

The cloak NBs use is the most easily beaten skill in the game.

Only time a crystal frag misses is if you cloak as they are casting it, if its in the air already it will hit you.

Inevitable det on the other hand will latch onto the NB no matter what they do.

raasdal

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I'll just assume you have neither played as a Sorc or a NB.

The cloak NBs use is the most easily beaten skill in the game.

My main is a magicka NB. I know what Cloak does and what it does not, since i spam it exactly every 2,7 seconds indefinetely.

If you believe that a NB cannot cloak away from meteor i will assume you do not have that skill, or never used it on a NB.

LBxFinalDeath

Incorrect.

I've been targeted by meteor spammers quite a bit since the patch, cloak does nothing to stop the meteor from dropping.

I have to dodge roll as its about to hit and then cloak to escape all damage.

I guess if you mean "Cloak lets you get away from meteors dropped on other people." then yes, yes it does.

Burning_Talons

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Incorrect.

I've been targeted by meteor spammers quite a bit since the patch, cloak does nothing to stop the meteor from dropping.

I have to dodge roll as its about to hit and then cloak to escape all damage.

I guess if you mean "Cloak lets you get away from meteors dropped on other people." then yes, yes it does.

Yes you are misinformed I hoped on my NB and I was negating the following
Frags
Meteor
WB
Snipe
Chains