Thief Guild Dk stamina vs NB magika

Kensei1318

is it possible for a dk stamina kill a nb magika in 1vs1... in my opinion is impossible ... thief guild the end of pvp . In cyrodil will enter only nb magika and sorcerer...thx zenimax

kadar

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

D0ntevenL1ft

The_Outsider wrote: »

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

This.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Gonna put this as simpely as I can.....

Stamina builds be nightblade dragon knight or what ever are not decided by the class it is souly medium armor and the weapon. Why you ask? Cause there is little stamina morphs and most of the passive benefit magic style builds.

So please stop saying "stam-knight" or stam-plare" or what ever cause it medium armor and weapons (most likely 2H and duel wield spamming WB and steel-nado) and not the class that make up the majority of a stamina base build.

Kensei1318

The_Outsider wrote: »

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

Ok and how a DK stamina can kill a nb magika? Wich strategy do you use? I speak about a magika nb that spamming proxy deto,fear ,stealth and he has 501 cp...

Durham

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Gonna put this as simpely as I can.....

Stamina builds be nightblade dragon knight or what ever are not decided by the class it is souly medium armor and the weapon. Why you ask? Cause there is little stamina morphs and most of the passive benefit magic style builds.

So please stop saying "stam-knight" or stam-plare" or what ever cause it medium armor and weapons (most likely 2H and duel wield spamming WB and steel-nado) and not the class that make up the majority of a stamina base build.

Not true at all..

DK'S get a great synergy with Rally+vigor with a 20% healing uncrease... with our shield...
Dragon leap is also huge... go to ultimate
Fossilize
Wings

We stamina based DKs are basically forced to use drinks due to the fact we still need magicka...

kadar

Kensei1318 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

Ok and how a DK stamina can kill a nb magika? Wich strategy do you use? I speak about a magika nb that spamming proxy deto,fear ,stealth and he has 501 cp...

I'm going to assume that the DK is the same level/gear/CP range as the NB, just for fairness sake. Popular combo for Stam DK: Crit rush to gap close> Light Attack> Wreaking Blow > Dragon Leap > Light Attack > Executioner. That will kill most things under the sun in a matter of seconds, including a Magicka NB. Most of them are glass cannons.

Say that doesn't do the job and the NB Cloaks away? Throw any AOE + Detect Pot + gap close = dead NB.

Don't get discouraged! Magicka NBs are real hard to nail down, but there are real good strategies you can use that will give you an edge against them.

Kensei1318

Thanks for all your advise the-outsider.. The great difficult i have with magika nb is for the combo , Lotus fan - fear - proxy deto ... About 24k damage and i wear all yellow gears and i have 501 champs with 20% reductions to magic damage... The other combo i can t stop is bat swarm and proxy... The nb magika have even the resto shield ... I m very upset and i can t find a way to kill them

PriorityBalle

lol

Durham

Kensei1318 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

Ok and how a DK stamina can kill a nb magika? Wich strategy do you use? I speak about a magika nb that spamming proxy deto,fear ,stealth and he has 501 cp...

Radiate mageli

The_Outsider wrote: »

Kensei1318 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

Ok and how a DK stamina can kill a nb magika? Wich strategy do you use? I speak about a magika nb that spamming proxy deto,fear ,stealth and he has 501 cp...

I'm going to assume that the DK is the same level/gear/CP range as the NB, just for fairness sake. Popular combo for Stam DK: Crit rush to gap close> Light Attack> Wreaking Blow > Dragon Leap > Light Attack > Executioner. That will kill most things under the sun in a matter of seconds, including a Magicka NB. Most of them are glass cannons.

Say that doesn't do the job and the NB Cloaks away? Throw any AOE + Detect Pot + gap close = dead NB.

Don't get discouraged! Magicka NBs are real hard to nail down, but there are real good strategies you can use that will give you an edge against them.

Actually need stampede to get this off most people... and damage has taken a hit so you can do this combo and it will not kill them.... 3k stamp, 5k wb, 7k leap, then an execute

The_Outsider wrote: »

Kensei1318 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The answer to your question is yes...

If you're asking if a Magicka NB is currently stronger than a Stamina DK, that's a different question entirely...

Ok and how a DK stamina can kill a nb magika? Wich strategy do you use? I speak about a magika nb that spamming proxy deto,fear ,stealth and he has 501 cp...

I'm going to assume that the DK is the same level/gear/CP range as the NB, just for fairness sake. Popular combo for Stam DK: Crit rush to gap close> Light Attack> Wreaking Blow > Dragon Leap > Light Attack > Executioner. That will kill most things under the sun in a matter of seconds, including a Magicka NB. Most of them are glass cannons.

Say that doesn't do the job and the NB Cloaks away? Throw any AOE + Detect Pot + gap close = dead NB.

Don't get discouraged! Magicka NBs are real hard to nail down, but there are real good strategies you can use that will give you an edge against them.

"Popular combo for Stam DK: Crit rush to gap close> Light Attack> Wreaking Blow > Dragon Leap > Light Attack > Executioner. That will kill most things under the sun in a matter of seconds, including a Magicka NB. Most of them are glass cannons."

This was very true before the patch and still works on low health opponets using drinks that are not breaking CC quick enough... However on Sorcs it no longer works unless shields are down... On Night Blades yes it can work .. but I am finding this tactic is much weaker after the patch.... Right now magicka night blades are stronger...
I have set my template as a burst DPS template
My Wreaking blow delves for 14.5K
Leap Delves for 21k

After this patch 5k WBs are very common ... Heavy with impen your looking at 3.5K WBs ... Last night I had a 10K WB but this player was not wearing Impen, and probally had nothing in hardy.and was wearing light armor....

Dragon Leaps base damage is 10k but same with WB damage is down even more .... due to the change to the Leap and ... more players using Impen and hardy.... Last night I was getting 7-8k leaps .... again I might hit someone for 12-13k with this ability but if I do they are not setup for PVP....

So If I lead off with Stampede 4k , wb 5k, leap 8k =17k damage this will no execute .... you will need another WB .... which is avoidable by most players ... and still will not kill them if they have food.....

Kensei1318

THX for feedback Durham... I ask to you ... You change character or you still playing with DK?

Durham

Kensei1318 wrote: »

THX for feedback Durham... I ask to you ... You change character or you still playing with DK?

I still play the Stam DK its just harder to do the things I did in the last patch .... I had to change a few things on mine ... I just like the mobility of stamina and love the use of Two Hand and Bow..... I might move to my Stam Templar here in the future but right now Im trying to make it work.....

MrGigglypants

Durham wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Gonna put this as simpely as I can.....

Stamina builds be nightblade dragon knight or what ever are not decided by the class it is souly medium armor and the weapon. Why you ask? Cause there is little stamina morphs and most of the passive benefit magic style builds.

So please stop saying "stam-knight" or stam-plare" or what ever cause it medium armor and weapons (most likely 2H and duel wield spamming WB and steel-nado) and not the class that make up the majority of a stamina base build.

Not true at all..

DK'S get a great synergy with Rally+vigor with a 20% healing uncrease... with our shield...
Dragon leap is also huge... go to ultimate
Fossilize
Wings

We stamina based DKs are basically forced to use drinks due to the fact we still need magicka...

Feel blessed you have a worthwhile ultimate

kadar

So If I lead off with Stampede 4k , wb 5k, leap 8k =17k damage this will no execute .... you will need another WB .... which is avoidable by most players ... and still will not kill them if they have food.....

@Durham , Add in the damage from the light attacks you should be weaving and Executioner and you have plenty of damage to down any health pool.

And then:

Say that doesn't do the job and the NB Cloaks away? Throw any AOE + Detect Pot + gap close = dead NB.

The point is, to put the Magicka NB on the defensive, and then counter their escape. I find it effective, so thought the OP might find it useful as well.

Durham

Yea still does not work like it did... I do weave in heavy or light just depends... that's all I'm saying...

kadar

Oh for sure. We're all doing at least 15% less damage overall. It only takes 50 CP in Hardy to get 15.4% Physical resist no one had before. Sad Khajiit is sad.

leepalmer95

Because stam builds are doing 15% less dmg doesn't mean there done for, people are over reacting so much.

Throw caltraps, stampede, detect pot and wb him to death, take flight if your feeling particularly unhappy.

Durham

I'm getting more like -20% according to my add on data... My burst decrease is definitely down 20%+

15-20% in hardy + changes to leap...

Millerman34n

Ong ltp ... This *** makes me so mad!!!