Vicious Death - Something Isn't Right

Ampnode

Something odd is going on with Vicious Death, possibly.



I was alone when this gank happened. It could be that my recap and damage logs are just putting the damages in there somehow, but I doubt that because VD shows before the Prox Det. The damage in total, without VD, adds up to 19,029. My total health is 19,951. The Prox Det wouldn't have been the final blow; however, VD added in an extra 11.6K damage out of nowhere making it the kill. After talking about it in zone chat, others have also been experiencing Vicious Death being shown on their recaps/damage logs even though they were alone or not close to someone. Has anyone here also experienced this?

Waffennacht

Maybe VD proccs at an extremely low HP threshold, you know, circumventing some programming issue where they couldn't make it proc on an opponent that literally has 0 hp and is dead. (Like maybe if they respawned it wouldn't proc etc...)

Just my first thought.

danno8

Maybe ZoS has to kill all the squirrels in Cyrodiil.

VD turns them into furry hand grenades.

Jhunn

Who's surprised ZOS bugged this set aswell?

That's right. No one

Waffennacht

danno8 wrote: »

VD turns them into furry hand grenades.

They didn't teach that one in school! Lmao

Rainingblood

Hmmm. Yeah, VD shouldn't proc to damage you on your own death... Or in this case, before your death... At least that's what the tooltip would lead you to believe.

On a side note, the emp on TF today (who's so good she needs to use siege on players) would hit someone for 30k and wipe 3-5 more players from the VD proc. VD proccing off siege?

The new meta... gg

Alcast

it seems to go off at 1HP

Merlight

Vicious Death. Sounds like working as intended

Looking it up in dictionary, hoping to find some funny definition, I learned one I hadn't known:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vicious
2 : defective, faulty; also : invalid

driosketch

danno8 wrote: »

Maybe ZoS has to kill all the squirrels in Cyrodiil.

VD turns them into furry hand grenades.

This would be a hilarious bug, proccing VD off critter deaths.

Rainingblood wrote: »

Hmmm. Yeah, VD shouldn't proc to damage you on your own death... Or in this case, before your death... At least that's what the tooltip would lead you to believe.

On a side note, the emp on TF today (who's so good she needs to use siege on players) would hit someone for 30k and wipe 3-5 more players from the VD proc. VD proccing off siege?

The new meta... gg

Also to add to my list of ways emp mechanic takes something a little broken and kicks it off a cliff.

Honestly not sure what they were thinking. They are going to walk it back with a hard nerf to VD because of all this, I'm sure.

danno8

Waffennacht wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

VD turns them into furry hand grenades.

They didn't teach that one in school! Lmao

Haha, that sounds way dirtier than I meant it to be

leepalmer95

It either goes off when your on 1 hp or 0,

Remember hearing somewhere you don't actually die until your UNDER 0 hp, When your drops to 1/0 it goes off.

Vangy

Yup.. Noticed this all night on TF yesterday... On a sidenote... ZOS actually thought that giving everyone proxy and ALSO introducing vicious death set WHILE making meteor unreflectable/undodgeable was a good idea for PvP in this game... Every patch I find myself losing more and more faith in their combat decisions..

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

just look at your damage. after looking all the damage on my log it was enough to kill me without the vd proc that showed up because of some mechanic. i dont see a problem. the main problem is that it shows potential damage instead of actual. like if someone has 200hp and radient tiks for 20k then the QQ starts even though it only did 200 damage:/

leepalmer95

Vangy wrote: »

Yup.. Noticed this all night on TF yesterday... On a sidenote... ZOS actually thought that giving everyone proxy and ALSO introducing vicious death set WHILE making meteor unreflectable/undodgeable was a good idea for PvP in this game... Every patch I find myself losing more and more faith in their combat decisions..

There need to do small updates, they always do this, they always change too much at once.

They either double buff something or double nerf it.

Ampnode

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

just look at your damage. after looking all the damage on my log it was enough to kill me without the vd proc that showed up because of some mechanic. i dont see a problem. the main problem is that it shows potential damage instead of actual. like if someone has 200hp and radient tiks for 20k then the QQ starts even though it only did 200 damage:/

What...?

DHale

Don't stack on crown you will be fine I got Inpen and 48 in resist and 100 in elemental defender I got hit by H the emp on Haderus who is wearing vicious death for 4.6 k damage at the higest all night ( most were in the 3.6 range)...Yawn! But then got hit by a heavy attack for 14669 so now let's ask for nerfs to heavy attacks. You asked for Zerg busters and now you have another tool now asking for nerfs... ZOS makes makes me sad.... Qq ers make me mad.

Zabus

Must be a UI bug or something.. My log sometimes shows that I did X vicious death damage, but it shouldn't actually display the number because it's a solo kill and it only procs after the person is dead.

Pretty sure this can be tested, just get someone to really low health like 1-2% and see if it procs or appears on their log.

Ampnode

DHale wrote: »

Don't stack on crown you will be fine I got Inpen and 48 in resist and 100 in elemental defender I got hit by H the emp on Haderus who is wearing vicious death for 4.6 k damage at the higest all night ( most were in the 3.6 range)...Yawn! But then got hit by a heavy attack for 14669 so now let's ask for nerfs to heavy attacks. You asked for Zerg busters and now you have another tool now asking for nerfs... ZOS makes makes me sad.... Qq ers make me mad.

I would like for you to do one special thing... Read. Yeah, it's not that hard. If you aren't going to take the 2 minutes to at least skim over it, don't post anything. Very, very simple.

Christ, how many people just impulsively click the "Post Reply" button without even reading a damn thing?

EDIT: tldr still? This post is about a potential bug, not a nerf.

chaserstorm16909

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Yup.. Noticed this all night on TF yesterday... On a sidenote... ZOS actually thought that giving everyone proxy and ALSO introducing vicious death set WHILE making meteor unreflectable/undodgeable was a good idea for PvP in this game... Every patch I find myself losing more and more faith in their combat decisions..

There need to do small updates, they always do this, they always change too much at once.

They either double buff something or double nerf it.

Yep. Just like they did to cloak.

Vangy

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Yup.. Noticed this all night on TF yesterday... On a sidenote... ZOS actually thought that giving everyone proxy and ALSO introducing vicious death set WHILE making meteor unreflectable/undodgeable was a good idea for PvP in this game... Every patch I find myself losing more and more faith in their combat decisions..

There need to do small updates, they always do this, they always change too much at once.

They either double buff something or double nerf it.

Yep. Just like they did to cloak.

Sssh. It will be okay. Find a templar's house to hide in

leepalmer95

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Yup.. Noticed this all night on TF yesterday... On a sidenote... ZOS actually thought that giving everyone proxy and ALSO introducing vicious death set WHILE making meteor unreflectable/undodgeable was a good idea for PvP in this game... Every patch I find myself losing more and more faith in their combat decisions..

There need to do small updates, they always do this, they always change too much at once.

They either double buff something or double nerf it.

Yep. Just like they did to cloak.

Cloaks not too bad, the base change to cloak isn't exactly devastating, just think now you can use cloak for more dmg out of stealth

nilldax

This was even without Proxy:

Mr_Nobody

You cant be killed by VD if you are the only target, but it also displays the proc damage of it for some reason. I guess it is just the indication of damage when you are dead and/or already dropping down (visually) so there are no issues with it proccing after you are already down.

olsborg

Friend of mine got killed by VD in a 1v1, the set is bugged, just look around for other threads with the same information.

Turelus

Confirming this set is fun!

Probably going to face heavy nerfs/adjustments soon TBH.

danno8

olsborg wrote: »

Friend of mine got killed by VD in a 1v1, the set is bugged, just look around for other threads with the same information.

Turns out it isn't bugged.

The proc shows up in your damage log even though it does not actually do any damage to you.

from ZoS T_Fleming:

To clarify, this is a visual bug with death recap where it still counts the proc as a hit for death recap purposes even though you're already dead. The set is not actually dealing damage to the person who procs it before they die, sorry for the confusion.

nilldax

danno8 wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Friend of mine got killed by VD in a 1v1, the set is bugged, just look around for other threads with the same information.

Turns out it isn't bugged.

The proc shows up in your damage log even though it does not actually do any damage to you.

from ZoS T_Fleming:

To clarify, this is a visual bug with death recap where it still counts the proc as a hit for death recap purposes even though you're already dead. The set is not actually dealing damage to the person who procs it before they die, sorry for the confusion.

That explaining could be right, if my second death wasnt caused only by crit from Proxy (actualy i have 24k of HP).
With my observarios, this set randomly (sometimes occurs, sometimes not) applies on targets with "minimal value" of HP remaining - which ends in free execute skill.
What is more, with screenshot above, my char died to Concealed Weapon skill, while set VD triggered on tower.

Autolycus

danno8 wrote: »

VD turns them into furry hand grenades.

There's something odd about this sentence... and frightening.

chaserstorm16909

Vangy wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Yup.. Noticed this all night on TF yesterday... On a sidenote... ZOS actually thought that giving everyone proxy and ALSO introducing vicious death set WHILE making meteor unreflectable/undodgeable was a good idea for PvP in this game... Every patch I find myself losing more and more faith in their combat decisions..

There need to do small updates, they always do this, they always change too much at once.

They either double buff something or double nerf it.

Yep. Just like they did to cloak.

Sssh. It will be okay. Find a templar's house to hide in

But if I go in that house, won't it be bad for me?

LegacyDM

Ampnode wrote: »

Something odd is going on with Vicious Death, possibly.



I was alone when this gank happened. It could be that my recap and damage logs are just putting the damages in there somehow, but I doubt that because VD shows before the Prox Det. The damage in total, without VD, adds up to 19,029. My total health is 19,951. The Prox Det wouldn't have been the final blow; however, VD added in an extra 11.6K damage out of nowhere making it the kill. After talking about it in zone chat, others have also been experiencing Vicious Death being shown on their recaps/damage logs even though they were alone or not close to someone. Has anyone here also experienced this?

I noticed this too. VD is proccing as normal rotational damage when no one else dies around you. Everyone is running VD now. Its ridiculously OP. The tool tip says, (5 items) When you kill a player they violently explode for x Flame Damage. Its suppose to explode after you die and cause an AOE to players around you. Not cause damage as part of the rotation to a single player. This is some F---ED up stuff ZOS.

Sharee

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Ampnode wrote: »

Something odd is going on with Vicious Death, possibly.



I was alone when this gank happened. It could be that my recap and damage logs are just putting the damages in there somehow, but I doubt that because VD shows before the Prox Det. The damage in total, without VD, adds up to 19,029. My total health is 19,951. The Prox Det wouldn't have been the final blow; however, VD added in an extra 11.6K damage out of nowhere making it the kill. After talking about it in zone chat, others have also been experiencing Vicious Death being shown on their recaps/damage logs even though they were alone or not close to someone. Has anyone here also experienced this?

I noticed this too. VD is proccing as normal rotational damage when no one else dies around you. Everyone is running VD now. Its ridiculously OP. The tool tip says, (5 items) When you kill a player they violently explode for x Flame Damage. Its suppose to explode after you die and cause an AOE to players around you. Not cause damage as part of the rotation to a single player. This is some F---ED up stuff ZOS.

Check 4 posts up the thread. It is only an UI issue. The explosion happens after death, it does not damage the player who explodes, only the UI shows it (incorrectly) that way.