Radeon 5450

chowgarguy

So, I just installed an MSI radeon 5450 and I can finally play again... Just barely. Even on medium graphics settings the game it very choppy. Is there some settings I can tweak in the control center, or should I just return it and go for a different card?

Reykice

The 5450 is a very weak card... even for low. Its very old not worth buying now i guess.

Get a newer one, GTX 750ti or the 9xx series.(or radeon equivalent)

Also, the last patch introduced a lot of problems(bugs?) with performance, if you don`t want to buy a new card maybe wait for them to fix them? But it might take a while, sometimes they need months to fix stuff or more.

WalkingLegacy

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

chowgarguy

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Its brand new today! I had a geforce 9800 gtx which ran the game fine before zos broke it by enforcing the dx11 requirement. I just didn't want to spend my left nut on a graphics card that I only need for THIS game. Is there a cost effective alternative? I don't understand what's wrong.... 1gig graphics memory
..check, dx11 support.... check. What else is there?

chowgarguy

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

WalkingLegacy

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

Depends on your budget?

Nvidia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 - GTX960 great cheap card. A GTX970 runs about 120 bucks more and offers way more performance.


AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166 R9 380

WalkingLegacy

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

if you're super poor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127904
after rebate it is 125 bucks....and like the cards I linked above,,,,,future proof for DX12 when they switch to that

chowgarguy

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

Depends on your budget?

Nvidia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 - GTX960 great cheap card. A GTX970 runs about 120 bucks more and offers way more performance.


AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166 R9 380

Newegg doesn't ship to Canada. And those are both way more than I want to spend on a game that cost me $30. Would this work?

http://m.bestbuy.ca/?lang=en#/catalog/productdetails.aspx?ajax=true&sku=10275626&lang=en-CA

WalkingLegacy

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

Depends on your budget?

Nvidia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 - GTX960 great cheap card. A GTX970 runs about 120 bucks more and offers way more performance.


AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166 R9 380

Newegg doesn't ship to Canada. And those are both way more than I want to spend on a game that cost me $30. Would this work?

http://m.bestbuy.ca/?lang=en#/catalog/productdetails.aspx?ajax=true&sku=10275626&lang=en-CA

What about Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-950-GAMING-2G/dp/B0147ELUEO

I would try and save 40-60 more bucks for at least a GTX950 or an R9 380, you're only buying a band aid to your problem and will have to fix it again when DX12 is fully switched on. I avoid buying GPUs from Best Buy.

Miszou

Here are two very useful websites:

This one will show you the best "bang for your buck" in a price/performance graph. It can be a little confusing, but it's definitely a good resource if you want to squeeze every bit of value out of your wallet.

Additionally, you can use GPUBoss to compare the performance of two cards. So, for example, enter your GeForce 9800GTX on one side (as a known benchmark) and then compare it to some other cards. Don't rush it - this research could take days, but you will be happier in the end.

Here, it shows the 9800GTX as being considerably better than the Radeon 5450.

And at the other end of the spectrum, a comparison like this is what you should be aiming for, if you can afford it.... You will not regret it.

Hope this helps!

ps. the 5450 is really only useful for watching 1080p video and running a Windows desktop. They are very popular cards in multimedia/TV machines and laptops because they are cheap, quiet (often not even requiring a fan) and energy efficient. Anything more taxing than that, and you're going to be hating it.

Reykice

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Its brand new today! I had a geforce 9800 gtx which ran the game fine before zos broke it by enforcing the dx11 requirement. I just didn't want to spend my left nut on a graphics card that I only need for THIS game. Is there a cost effective alternative? I don't understand what's wrong.... 1gig graphics memory
..check, dx11 support.... check. What else is there?

Its about the power it has... yea it has 1 gig graphics memory but its a very old low end card... its made for watching movies or something not gaming.

Your card is this one: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+5450&id=7 - 231 total score.

With 150ish $ you can get http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+950&id=3295 - 5228

or with 180$ - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+960&id=3114 - 5951

The 2nd one can max out the game at 50-60 fps i think.

Use this website to get a basic idea about the score, the higher the better tho for JUST playing eso a GTX 750 TI can also work well and its cheaper.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750+Ti&id=2815

The radeon 240 you listed is a dud, it might work... at low... but it was clearly not designed for gaming, its more for watching movies and such. Also, make sure what version of the card you are getting, some are mini aka lower power, some are eco, again lower power.

EDIT: It also depends on the resolution you play on, the higher it is, the more you need a good card, tho for up to 1080p @ medium and maybe some high even the gtx 750 ti works and you will be able to play other games on it too, pretty much all games launched right now @ medium or more.

KhajiitiLizard

You don't need a 1 gig card to watch movies... lol
You don't even need dedicated vram to watch movies.

Reykice

KhajiitiLizard wrote: »

You don't need a 1 gig card to watch movies... lol
You don't even need dedicated vram to watch movies.

Yea but you can`t really play any new game on those cards either...

Anyway OP maybe link the rest of your system, no point in getting a gtx 960 if you CPU can`t handle it.

chowgarguy

OK, I think I'll ask the guys at the PC shop for their advice too when I take it back. Thanks everyone

crislevin

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

Depends on your budget?

Nvidia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 - GTX960 great cheap card. A GTX970 runs about 120 bucks more and offers way more performance.


AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166 R9 380

use http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html to figure out which is better

then use http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/ to find best price.

e.g., R9 380 is slightly better than 960, and can be had for only $155, cheaper than 960 ($170).

chowgarguy

. What about Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-950-GAMING-2G/dp/B0147ELUEO

You mean this?

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B0147ELUEO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1458038006&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=GTX+950+GAMING+2G&dpPl=1&dpID=51+Uo8HGLLL&ref=plSrch

Amazon has 2 tier pricing, and they really screw Canada over. Its the same reason Target stores failed so hard here.

coolmodi

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

1gig graphics memory
..check, dx11 support.... check. What else is there?

Maybe that the HD5450 is 1/3 (if at all) as fast as a 9800GTX?

You should have gotten a HD5770 for 25€ or something, that would have been faster than a 9800GTX.

Edit: Seriously, if you only need a GPU for ESO and you were happy with the performance with your 9800GTX then gat a used 5770 (or Nvidia equivalent) for a low price, I've see them selling for anything between 20-50€ a lot.

Imho it's stupid to buy old/low-end GPUs new.

Reykice

crislevin wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

Depends on your budget?

Nvidia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 - GTX960 great cheap card. A GTX970 runs about 120 bucks more and offers way more performance.


AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166 R9 380

use http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html to figure out which is better

then use http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/ to find best price.

e.g., R9 380 is slightly better than 960, and can be had for only $155, cheaper than 960 ($170).

The stock r9 380 is... if you oc them then no. The reason i never recommend 380`s is that they have a tendency not to work on older motherboards. Tried upgrading 2 PC`s and they would just show a black screen. The store guys basically said they had that issue often especially if the bios is not up to date. The 960 worked on the 1st try. I know, subjective...

Anyway since he most likely has an old PC to go with that video card his best bet is most likely the 750 TI that is a lot cheaper.(at least here)

chowgarguy

coolmodi wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

1gig graphics memory
..check, dx11 support.... check. What else is there?

Maybe that the HD5450 is 1/3 (if at all) as fast as a 9800GTX?

You should have gotten a HD5770 for 25€ or something, that would have been faster than a 9800GTX.

Edit: Seriously, if you only need a GPU for ESO and you were happy with the performance with your 9800GTX then gat a used 5770 (or Nvidia equivalent) for a low price, I've see them selling for anything between 20-50€ a lot.

Imho it's stupid to buy old/low-end GPUs new.

Thanks for your input, but this comes off as a bit of a troll. I've already stated that I know very little about hardware. I didn't realize being a PC hardware specialist was a prerequisite for casually enjoying a PC game.

What's more, I can't find the HD5770 that you keep mentioning available anywhere in Canada, and any savings from ordering online is lost in currency conversion, shipping and duties. In a nutshell, It's going to cost me way more than I spent on the game itself to be able to continue playing it.

WalkingLegacy

chowgarguy wrote: »

. What about Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-950-GAMING-2G/dp/B0147ELUEO

You mean this?

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B0147ELUEO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1458038006&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=GTX+950+GAMING+2G&dpPl=1&dpID=51+Uo8HGLLL&ref=plSrch

Amazon has 2 tier pricing, and they really screw Canada over. Its the same reason Target stores failed so hard here.

I've heard about the priced problems there...

Are you able to jump across the border to buy it?

coolmodi

chowgarguy wrote: »

What's more, I can't find the HD5770 that you keep mentioning available anywhere in Canada, and any savings from ordering online is lost in currency conversion, shipping and duties.

Ebay, classifieds, friends, whatever. I really have no clue about canada, but here in germany you can find that card (and similar old ones) extremely often for low prices.

Other older cards you could buy used (somewhat sorted after performance as best as I could):

HD 55xx and below
GT 440 and below
<< around half as fast or much worse above here (don't buy!)
HD 5650
HD 5670
HD 6670

HD 5750
a GTX 9800 should be around here
GTS 450
HD 5770
GTX 550ti

<< around 1,5x as fast from here
HD 5830
GTX 460

HD 6850
HD 5850
HD 6870
<< around 2x as fast from here
GTX 470
HD 5870

Edit: Sorry was using wrong base to start, now it should be more accurate.
Edit: Even more corrections, it's hard to find comparable data for those old cards.

chowgarguy wrote: »

Thanks for your input, but this comes off as a bit of a troll. I've already stated that I know very little about hardware.

A simple google search would have helped, something like "gtx 9800 vs hd 5450", even without any clue you'd realize the difference by just how much the bars on all those sites are apart. Your definition of a Troll is realy strange.

Miszou

chowgarguy wrote: »

coolmodi wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

1gig graphics memory
..check, dx11 support.... check. What else is there?

Maybe that the HD5450 is 1/3 (if at all) as fast as a 9800GTX?

You should have gotten a HD5770 for 25€ or something, that would have been faster than a 9800GTX.

Edit: Seriously, if you only need a GPU for ESO and you were happy with the performance with your 9800GTX then gat a used 5770 (or Nvidia equivalent) for a low price, I've see them selling for anything between 20-50€ a lot.

Imho it's stupid to buy old/low-end GPUs new.

Thanks for your input, but this comes off as a bit of a troll. I've already stated that I know very little about hardware. I didn't realize being a PC hardware specialist was a prerequisite for casually enjoying a PC game.

What's more, I can't find the HD5770 that you keep mentioning available anywhere in Canada, and any savings from ordering online is lost in currency conversion, shipping and duties. In a nutshell, It's going to cost me way more than I spent on the game itself to be able to continue playing it.

Unfortunately, yes.

With video cards (as with many other things) you really do get what you pay for, up to a certain point. The trick is to find where along the curve you are happy, taking into account things like future investment (how long you plan on using it for), budget, satisfactory performance and so on.



I would say that if you can get 5 years out of a video card before upgrading, you've certainly gotten your money's worth out of it. The 9800GTX was released in 2008, so you've had 8 years of good gaming out of it, and now it's time to upgrade. If you want another 8 years out of a video card, then you will probably want to push your budget a little harder. Unfortunately, you will almost certainly have to upgrade the rest of your system before this time, if you want to get all the available performance from a new card...

As I said above, you really need to use a site like GPU Boss to evaluate performance against a known entity - your old 9800 GTX. In the comparison with the Radeon 5450, you can see that the only reason to buy the 5450 is its lower power consumption. All the important measurements (memory bandwidth, texture rate, pixel rate, wider memory bus) are far lower on the 5450 than the 9800. (Don't worry about clock speed too much right now, because it isn't really as important as things like bandwidth and the pixel/texture rate).

When you find something that's faster and fits your budget, start looking around for similar model numbers. For example, if you like the look of a Radeon R9 270, take a look at a Radeon R9 290 or 290X as well... you might find that the additional performance still fits within your budget - or you may decide you don't need that much power after all and go for something like the R7 260 (comparable to your old card, only $70 from Amazon) instead.

A good video card really is an investment, and if you choose wisely, you will be very happy. At least for a few more years.

chowgarguy

A simple google search would have helped, something like "gtx 9800 vs hd 5450", even without any clue you'd realize the difference by just how much the bars on all those sites are apart. Your definition of a Troll is realy strange.

I didn't bother researching it, as I had no Idea that there even existed all these criteria. It wasn't even until my game stopped working that I learned about directx support. Sorry if I misread you, the tone of you post just came of somewhat satirical to me. Never mind it though. I'm going to have to wait for my tax return and spring for one in the $150-$200 range

Psilent

I'm currently running a Sapphire Radeon HD 6950. However, was thinking of upgrading to a Sapphire Radeon R9 380.

Good upgrade or bad? Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

crislevin

Psilent wrote: »

I'm currently running a Sapphire Radeon HD 6950. However, was thinking of upgrading to a Sapphire Radeon R9 380.

Good upgrade or bad? Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

Good upgrade.

crislevin

Reykice wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

chowgarguy wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Yeah, no idea why you would buy such an old card? Did you get it from a friend or something?

Jump to the GTX9XX or r9 3XX...your 100 bucks goes further here.

Mind filling in some of those x's? I'm not a hardware geek and I don't know what I'm looking for. I just need a cheap card that will run the game

Depends on your budget?

Nvidia
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 - GTX960 great cheap card. A GTX970 runs about 120 bucks more and offers way more performance.


AMD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202166 R9 380

use http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html to figure out which is better

then use http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/ to find best price.

e.g., R9 380 is slightly better than 960, and can be had for only $155, cheaper than 960 ($170).

The stock r9 380 is... if you oc them then no. The reason i never recommend 380`s is that they have a tendency not to work on older motherboards. Tried upgrading 2 PC`s and they would just show a black screen. The store guys basically said they had that issue often especially if the bios is not up to date. The 960 worked on the 1st try. I know, subjective...

Anyway since he most likely has an old PC to go with that video card his best bet is most likely the 750 TI that is a lot cheaper.(at least here)

I think most people never oc their cards, ESO doesn't need that much horsepower anyway.

I can't comment on old mobo, since I don't know what mobo OP has. I know nVidia tends to really ditch their old gen cards when new gen comes out. AMD seems to do better in supporter their old gen cards, plus the upcoming DX12 will benefit r9 2xx enormously.

Reykice

Looks like the OP did not know anything about what is required to play this... too bad about the DX11 update then if his old card was fine.

@offtopic: About the 380... yea, after the ones that did not work on a i2500k system from early 2011, we also got another one that did on my gf`s PC, i5 skylake. But it was stuttering like mad in both Dragon age inquisition and Assassins creed syndicate(the 2 games she had installed and playing). Also the OC on a 380 was crap, could barely get anything out of it and it was hotter.

So i got 2x msi 960`s to replace them and voila no issues with the older mobo and no stuttering on the new one. Also they oc`d to about 2000 mhz memory and 1550ish mhz peak core as shown in GPU-Z. Keep in mind their base is 1178 for core and 1753 memory. With some fiddling in the nvidia panel it took a Unigine test from 61 fps stock to 80-83 OC`d @ 720p. So yea the 960 is weaker stock but you can OC it so well it goes beyond the 380 in my experience. Tho you are right few OC them i guess so all that OC value might be wasted on the average consumer. Still, i only had radeon until the 960 but the experience sure changed my mind a bit.

nine9six

chowgarguy wrote: »

OK, I think I'll ask the guys at the PC shop for their advice too when I take it back. Thanks everyone

*facepalm*

If they're anything like all the other PC Shops I've heard about, they'll either lie to get more $ out of you, or give you half-assed advice.

Anyway...

If I was on a tight-ish budget I'd pick this up for $100.

EVGA nVidia GTX 750ti

I threw one in a work machine (*whistles*) that didn't have power cables for a GPU. I get 60 FPS in the "world" and around 50 FPS in town. It used to be 60+ everywhere, but the latest patch reduced FPS (known "issue"). This is with an i7 CPU.

If you have more $ to throw at it there are obviously better GPUs.

I also didn't see any other PC specs from your setup. What is your CPU and how much RAM do you have? Bottlenecks likely abound if you're this out of touch with Computer Tech, and I mean that in a very understanding, not-being-an-ass kind of way.

WalkingLegacy

Psilent wrote: »

I'm currently running a Sapphire Radeon HD 6950. However, was thinking of upgrading to a Sapphire Radeon R9 380.

Good upgrade or bad? Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

I went from MSI 6970 Lightning to a MSI GTX970ME.

Reykice

The store guys usually know very little... they are usually not trained. That said make sure you mention your other components to them like power supply and CPU especially as the power supply is by now old.

The 750 ti is a safe upgrade as it uses very little power... for anything else make sure the power supply can take it.

Pallmor

I don't believe the Radeon HD 5450 was made for gaming. Get a Nvidia 750ti (about $100) or, better yet, a AMD r7 370 (about $150) for minimum gaming performance.