Undaunted Chests and you! (v14 loot for v16 players)

KochDerDamonen

I'd just like to get some insight on how the idea of bringing back the Undaunted sets (which, meh even if the right level but that's another topic) to v15/16 pledge rewards and NOT scaling them up to v15/16 made it past the drawing board. I turned in a key for the first time since TG went live and received the usual gold and soul gem with a v14 undaunted unweaver glove

When I originally heard of this I expected that the sets would be scaled up and possibly in Mercenary style or something, maybe even slightly adjusted or whatever bonus wise I don't know. This is just... I think I'll be saving my keys until Dark Brotherhood.

MissBizz

I feel the same way. Sure maybe some folks enjoy playing around with those sets.. fine.. keep them. But they seriously need to scale up all the way to VR16 if we're going to be getting them.

KochDerDamonen

I would be perfectly happy with the sets being there if they weren't just the old version jammed into higher level loot tables. More sets is always nice!

baratron

Do we know for certain that this is intentional and not a bug?

My friends have been very annoyed to get v14 Undaunted sets from their Gold Keys at v16. They've said it wouldn't be so bad from a Silver Key, but it just feels insulting to get that reward from a Gold Key.

I haven't personally had any since I'm levelling my v13 right now and saving his keys up.

Troneon

It's pretty pathetic and it's basically made me not want to even bother playing dungeon content until they REMOVE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT MAX LEVEL FROM END GAME LOOT TABLES!!!!

Wake the **** up ZOS it is just not acceptable in a game in 2016....

Not only are you giving crap loot but by putting them in the loot tables you lower the chance of getting anything good at all....

But sure just buy it with AP/GOLD now...

RIP Dungeons...

Shogunami

Spending HOURS trying to finish veteran Imperial City Prison for gold pledge only to get crappy loot from boss, and then seriously punch-in-the-face bad rewards from both gold keys is just a bit too much for me. I'd rather get crappy V16 loot (19/20 times) than V14 loot that just shouldn't even be there..

redspecter23

What would have been so hard about at least upgrading them to v15/v16. I won't ever completely understand ZoS logic, which is a form of logic that operates outside the realm of normal logic. If they really want to make these interesting, add jewelry to the mix as well as updating them to v15/v16. Problem solved and that took all of about 20 seconds to figure out.

KochDerDamonen

redspecter23 wrote: »

What would have been so hard about at least upgrading them to v15/v16. I won't ever completely understand ZoS logic, which is a form of logic that operates outside the realm of normal logic. If they really want to make these interesting, add jewelry to the mix as well as updating them to v15/v16. Problem solved and that took all of about 20 seconds to figure out.

Aye, if they gave these sets the jewelry and weapons treatment at v15/16 (and again, I think in Mercenary style would be appropriate) it would be COOL instead of DROOL

Aspi90

With undaundet sets you mean monster sets or for example the bastion set?
Cause I have done like 50x pledges the last weeks and got only monster shoulder pieces, nothing else.
Are the drop rates that low? Or am I missing something?

X3ina

Only the "luckiest" players get this kinda stuff, unfortunately i'm one of them

KochDerDamonen

Aspi90 wrote: »

With undaundet sets you mean monster sets or for example the bastion set?
Cause I have done like 50x pledges the last weeks and got only monster shoulder pieces, nothing else.
Are the drop rates that low? Or am I missing something?

Yes, the "Undaunted X" sets that come in any weight and max out at v14. I received them from both gold pledges immediately after Thieves' Guild released instead of the usual v16 decon junk before I stopped turning in keys.

mrowmrif2

@ZOS_GinaBruno i know i submitted a bug report about this, but it appears this is still happening... any word on whether this is on the "next up" list for fixes? this is a pretty massive issue actually... i saved up like 40 keys or so for thieves guild patch just for the mercenary motifs being removed from the common loot table in hopes that i'd see more monster shoulders (which by the way have been dropping way less since the merc motifs were introduced... conflict of loot table priority or something? hence why i saved keys...)

getting v14 anything as a v16 certainly boggled my mind, but even worse an undaunted unweaver/bastion/whatever set piece? those are garbage sets and i thought we had seen the last of them months ago...

wayfarerx

I was shocked to see these in the undaunted chests as well, I figured they were long gone since hybrid builds have been no-go for so long. Now they're back and max out at v14... why? Does ZOS really think people running pledges need more garbage to decon into void materials?

DjSolJAH

X3ina wrote: »

Only the "luckiest" players get this kinda stuff, unfortunately i'm one of them

Undaunted rank 9. Only 2 shoulders ever... I'm with Ya on that note

Jhunn

I think it's pretty important to state here that these undaunted sets aren't affecting your chance of getting monster sets.

Why they brought these sets back I have no idea, but the chance of getting them isn't connected to the chance of getting monster shoulders.

mb10

Havent had a shoulder piece in about a week now and nothing that is VR16 for that matter tbh.

My characters are holding onto keys now until this is cleared up...

The loot is pretty pathetic now I'm not even getting mercenary motifs anymore haha


*My gold key chest loot today was:

94 coins
2 grand soul gems
boots of the undaunted bastion

paul_j

Shogunami wrote: »

Spending HOURS trying to finish veteran Imperial City Prison for gold pledge only to get crappy loot from boss, and then seriously punch-in-the-face bad rewards from both gold keys is just a bit too much for me. I'd rather get crappy V16 loot (19/20 times) than V14 loot that just shouldn't even be there..

Hours? Ouch.. Lol

Bdawwg

Have they mentioned anything about changing this? Or will it stay the same till the next big patch

NBrookus

Shogunami wrote: »

Spending HOURS trying to finish veteran Imperial City Prison for gold pledge only to get crappy loot from boss, and then seriously punch-in-the-face bad rewards from both gold keys is just a bit too much for me. I'd rather get crappy V16 loot (19/20 times) than V14 loot that just shouldn't even be there..

At least you got gold keys. Last time it bugged out and we got one silver key (and yes, we read the tome).

kadar

I agree. It's very frustrating to get v14 rewards from a Gold Undaunted Chest when my character is v16. It makes me not want to fight my way through dungeons at all. If I spend 2 hours fighting my way through vICP/vWGT/CoA, it's honestly discouraging to get rewards that aren't even my level.

Try as I might I can't think of a reason that this change was made without scaling the gear to the players level.

Could we get a statement on this ZoS?

kadar

paul_j wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

Spending HOURS trying to finish veteran Imperial City Prison for gold pledge only to get crappy loot from boss, and then seriously punch-in-the-face bad rewards from both gold keys is just a bit too much for me. I'd rather get crappy V16 loot (19/20 times) than V14 loot that just shouldn't even be there..

Hours? Ouch.. Lol

Some people have to pug occasionally...

KochDerDamonen

Made the mistake of chancing a key today since I got a helm from the pledge-- gold, soul gem, v14 Undaunted Unweaver Jerkin :c

Necrelios

V14 items at v16 is just plain insulting. It's like saying the time and money we invest into this game is worth nothing.

KochDerDamonen

I can only suspect we'll be stuck with this until Dark Brotherhood releases. Opening 3+ months of keys should be an exciting afternoon.

mb10

Tbh last two days ive had monster shoulders so really its just your luck

impen light molag kena and spawn of mephala ones too

both vr16

KochDerDamonen

mb10 wrote: »

Tbh last two days ive had monster shoulders so really its just your luck

impen light molag kena and spawn of mephala ones too

both vr16

I'm aware that this is my luck, but v14 gear like this even being an option in our daily loot is just sad. I would rather have the setless v16 decon junk, and I already don't really want that.

Shogunami

Got this reply from customer support - "The gear from Undaunted Keys scales up to Veteran Rank 15. However, if you are Veteran Rank 16 and you get a Monster Shoulder, it will be VR16. This is functioning as intended."

While a guildie of mine had the same issue and contacted customer support and they told him to send a bug report and write on the forums about it.
Good to know that customer support don't know what they're doing and telling different people with the same issue different things.

TheHsN

Yeah. Game is all the time bring out new DLC's but Set Items and Drops Are stays old Levels...That is really funny.. I dont think it is really hard to fix it...

KochDerDamonen

Shogunami wrote: »

Got this reply from customer support - "The gear from Undaunted Keys scales up to Veteran Rank 15. However, if you are Veteran Rank 16 and you get a Monster Shoulder, it will be VR16. This is functioning as intended."

While a guildie of mine had the same issue and contacted customer support and they told him to send a bug report and write on the forums about it.
Good to know that customer support don't know what they're doing and telling different people with the same issue different things.

Yup, two more days of keys turned in, three more random v14 Undaunted set pieces and one v15 decon fodder. Working as intended?

MarcoPolo

Iv gave up with the undaunted now because of the rubbish you get in the chests, I have several vet 16 characters and have been running the undaunted on them all since they was high enough level to do so and I have never and I do mean NEVER got anything other than a bit of gold 3 soul gems and since the merc pages came out I get that and a blue staff not even a undaunted set armour piece just a plain old vet 14 blue staff iv now quit and just run the dungeon on a character that is needed at the time with my friends