[LOOK]Addons with unfair advantage!

NerfPlease

look i will explain

I am entering to the cracked wood Cave in Cyrodiil
and i see a body of a mob
so some1 is inside, idk enemy or ally

without addon i dont know who it is
but with addon i can see dead target affected with templar debuff, so this wolf was definitely killed by a templar!!!

do you think its not cheat?



to know whos in the location without even vision of him?

RinOkumara

i hope this is a joke, it is not an unfair advantage

Lenikus

You can walk into a cave and hear/see effects from skills used hours ago, so not that much big a' deal.
I used to do it to identify vamps / dks / templars for ganking purposes, but then again, you can jsut sit and watch them for like 2 seconds to figure out what class / build they're running so yea.

Also, nice name, OP

SirAndy

NerfPlease wrote: »

do you think its not cheat?

Correct, that's exactly what i think ...

Burning_Talons

PC itself is unbalanced

DaveMoeDee

Lenikus wrote: »

You can walk into a cave and hear/see effects from skills used hours ago, so not that much big a' deal.
I used to do it to identify vamps / dks / templars for ganking purposes, but then again, you can jsut sit and watch them for like 2 seconds to figure out what class / build they're running so yea.

Also, nice name, OP

I like naming my characters what they aren't. My werewolf stam NB is named "I am a Vampire". I should probably costume him up with in PvP. I never actually use werewolf since they fixed the free stam regen buff.

Fat_Cat45

You don't need an add on to see the corpse had repentance on it. The corpse will have black markings on it anyway

Moonshadow66

Templars might need to be buffed, but they're not always your enemies

Tryxus

So unfair, it's cheating

Personofsecrets

this is certainly an advantage to the addon and could be unfair depending on what unfair is.

starkerealm

NerfPlease wrote: »

but with addon i can see dead target affected with templar debuff, so this wolf was definitely killed by a templar!!!

Pfff, everyone knows Templars are a myth.

aLi3nZ

I guess that is a little advantage.

I think it's much more of an advantage living close to the mega server and getting less then 100 ping when many have to struggle with 250-300 as a norm and watch as our abilities don't active or we die in 1 second when we should have had 3 seconds to respond.

RedTalon

Makes me wonder how unfair it is really, I sometimes roam delves in my werewolf form and most gankers leave my wolf alone unless they have backup, and know almost all gankers run this addon.

So all in all help[s id who is a good target and who isn't without sitting back and watching, and plus the effects can linger longer then a person is there

OGLezard

Burning_Talons wrote: »

PC itself is unbalanced

Lolololololol as if consoles are not the SAME game -_- it is all unbalanced, we just get add-ons to show how broke the game is lol

NerfPlease

yes an in my absurd topics Gina answered on usefull questions about itemization and loot

pretzl

NerfPlease wrote: »

yes an in my absurd topics Gina answered on usefull questions about itemization and loot

Cause it's so easy to tell that if you don't get an answer, you'll continue to throw your 5-year old tantrum until you do get one.

Turelus

The moment they allowed add-ons for PC was the moment they decreed you have to use them to stay competitive.

Now in theory you can play without any, but you will have a massive disadvantage vs someone who does.

Core UI can't:
Show you a players class
Show you a player Health
Tell you timers for you skills

I think the core UI is nice, sure it's not informative but it would make the game a lot more interesting if everyone was using it. However they released the info they have via the API and now if you want to play at your best you will need those add-ons.

Rakkul

Turelus wrote: »

The moment they allowed add-ons for PC was the moment they decreed you have to use them to stay competitive.

Now in theory you can play without any, but you will have a massive disadvantage vs someone who does.

Core UI can't:
Show you a players class
Show you a player Health
Tell you timers for you skills

I think the core UI is nice, sure it's not informative but it would make the game a lot more interesting if everyone was using it. However they released the info they have via the API and now if you want to play at your best you will need those add-ons.

The problem (maybe problem isn't the right word), call it situation, is that this is an mmo.
Now we can talk semantics of what is and what isn't an mmo, but hey it's got the standard of many players online together, leveling, grouping, dungeons, crafting, guilds etc etc - that's enough to put it under the mmo umbrella.

Now the developers are caught between two stools here.
- They want to attract skyrim players who love the (more minimalist) look of that series.
- But they also want to attract mmo players, who are used to significant amounts of information on the screen.

You can't blame them for trying to maximize their audience, spread the attraction as wide as possible, more players the better.

So the answer was to use addons - which have been around in pc mmo's for years. Skyrim lovers can have their more minimalist look, whilst mmo players coming in from other games, (a considerable market), will be able to create the more standard mmo type ui that they like.

Now I appreciate this is painting the picture with broad brush strokes, and fully aware that pc players may use no addons / a few addons / or a screen full of them. That's individual preference, always has been for the pc mmo players.

Now - Console - and all the above can go out of the window :-)
A significant amount of screen information given by pc addons just isn't available to these players.
Is it an advantage? I would say yes, depending of course on the addon.

As a long time (some would say Veteran!) mmo player, I wouldn't feel the same attraction to the game if I couldn't have addons installed that result in a more standard mmo ui. Now that's personal preference, but looking at the number of downloads on addon sites (esoui etc), it's a preference shared by many.

Does that give me an advantage, to be completely honest, probably yes it does.
It's not intentional, I didn't go out there with the idea that I've got to gain advantages over other players.
I first played the game at launch and didn't like the minimalist screen. I was looking for my next mmo, so I made this ui look more like one, that's it.
But on the basis that more information is helpful, then yes it can be seen as an advantage.

Solution?
Nothing really practical in the short term
1. Remove all pc addons - and you'd probably remove a section of the population - not good marketing strategy.
2. Create the same level of addons for Consoles - no idea whether this could even be done - doubt it.
3. Or have a "full" ui as the standard for both pc and console. One that is fully customisable where players can switch off/on more or less everything to suit individual tastes.

Don't really see any of the above as going to happen.

But addons aren't the only "balance" factor by any means, probably only a very minor one in the bigger picture.
I'd much prefer the development team to spend their time on class reviews, server performance and new content :-)

Artjuh90

Ah PC problems. Consoles have to learn the game to play it. while PC have a addon probably for that. glad now that console is getting text chat. it will be way beter then PC

ZOS_MollyH

Greetings folks, we have had to remove several comments for trolling. If you have constructive discussion to add please feel free to do so. Keep in mind that derailing a thread with personal attacks is a violation of the Code of Conduct and continuing to do this may result in the thread being closed and disciplinary actions being issued.

NerfPlease

thanks @ZOS_MollyH you always a god guard and trollslayer on this forum

much appreciated

xellink

Strangely in other pvp games, it is crucial to see player animations to maximise potential of your play because the Ui is unable to show, showing rebuffs as grey or red arrows on the Hp bar. Some players I know ignore the Ui unless necessary.

Likewise in eso, Ui is not needed as the skills are animated well and the number of skills are few. You may start to develop dependence on the Ui if you play non competitively and then it's a hard habit to break.

Even the proc on crystal shards show a bright purple glow which will make a s&b player instinctively use reflect.

AlnilamE

What I want to know is how a Templar killed that wolf using Repentance?

Because that's the icon I see on the screen. I could be wrong.

Hand_Bacon

The Templar clearly was not home.

pretzl

ZOS_MollyH wrote: »

Greetings folks, we have had to remove several comments for trolling. If you have constructive discussion to add please feel free to do so. Keep in mind that derailing a thread with personal attacks is a violation of the Code of Conduct and continuing to do this may result in the thread being closed and disciplinary actions being issued.

I don't quite get why you'd delete my post but not OP. Seriously, take a look at his threads.
Yes, he has 1 thread which is actually constructive, but the rest range widely from 5yearold temper tantrums to straight out trolling. He's contributing nothing constructive to this community yet he's still here after countless posts about the same issues... I don't quite see the reasoning here, but I'm sure you've thought about it.

Volkodav

NerfPlease wrote: »

look i will explain

I am entering to the cracked wood Cave in Cyrodiil
and i see a body of a mob
so some1 is inside, idk enemy or ally

without addon i dont know who it is
but with addon i can see dead target affected with templar debuff, so this wolf was definitely killed by a templar!!!

do you think its not cheat?

to know whos in the location without even vision of him?

It's only unfair if you too cannot have said add-on.

Paulington

AlnilamE wrote: »

What I want to know is how a Templar killed that wolf using Repentance?

Because that's the icon I see on the screen. I could be wrong.

The Templar repented the corpse, it leaves the buff behind once repented. .

NerfPlease

pretzl wrote: »

ZOS_MollyH wrote: »

Greetings folks, we have had to remove several comments for trolling. If you have constructive discussion to add please feel free to do so. Keep in mind that derailing a thread with personal attacks is a violation of the Code of Conduct and continuing to do this may result in the thread being closed and disciplinary actions being issued.

I don't quite get why you'd delete my post but not OP. Seriously, take a look at his threads.
Yes, he has 1 thread which is actually constructive, but the rest range widely from 5yearold temper tantrums to straight out trolling. He's contributing nothing constructive to this community yet he's still here after countless posts about the same issues... I don't quite see the reasoning here, but I'm sure you've thought about it.

enough to roaming at my topic and hunt for my posts
reporting for harrasment

Alcast

Tryxus wrote: »

So unfair, it's cheating

hahahahaha

AlnilamE

Paulington wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What I want to know is how a Templar killed that wolf using Repentance?

Because that's the icon I see on the screen. I could be wrong.

The Templar repented the corpse, it leaves the buff behind once repented. .

Ah. That makes sense. Thank you.

I don't actually have my addon to display other player buffs, only my own, so I never realized that.

NerfPlease

AlnilamE wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What I want to know is how a Templar killed that wolf using Repentance?

Because that's the icon I see on the screen. I could be wrong.

The Templar repented the corpse, it leaves the buff behind once repented. .

Ah. That makes sense. Thank you.

I don't actually have my addon to display other player buffs, only my own, so I never realized that.

do you think its unfair to see other players buffs, thats why you turn them off?