Most OP skill in the game? [PvP]

xXNesTXx

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Focused Aim, when 6 hit you at once.

Very smart argument.....if you are hit by six guys.....what skill not are OP?

Dyride

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Falling damage when you didn't fall.

It is going to be worse than the early 1.6. No reason not to use it. All you will hear is thump thump of meteors.

xXNesTXx

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A nb with camo hunter.

Yep, a useless skill against no vamp players are OP....of course.....

Millerman34n

Tankqull wrote: »

reflective scales (when it not bugs) as it denys range opponents entirely.

No bro no... Have fun reflecting abush and proxy and wrecking blow and dawnbeaker.

Here is the list of things you reflect in pvp
1) cristal fragments
2) Snipe spam
3) Ocational metior.. But say bye bye to that Monday.

Their are also a few other atacks but every one has mele in pvp!

Tankqull

Millerman34n wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

reflective scales (when it not bugs) as it denys range opponents entirely.

No bro no... Have fun reflecting abush and proxy and wrecking blow and dawnbeaker.

Here is the list of things you reflect in pvp
1) cristal fragments
2) Snipe spam
3) Ocational metior.. But say bye bye to that Monday.

Their are also a few other atacks but every one has mele in pvp!

yeah a total of 5 of 7 bow attacks, all singeltarget destro attacks, dark flare, sun fire, flying daggers and so on...

and the reason for everybody beeing a melee is reflective scales pretty much the perfectt description of overpowered forcing every one into melee...

caeliusstarbreaker

xXNesTXx wrote: »

LOL too much trolls or Wrecking Blow spammers here, because is pretty obvious, Wrecking Blow is the MOST OP skill of the game by far

Surprise Attack, Crystal Fragments, Focus Aim...even Overload, are good skills but not are OP....but a 2h skill with the same speed of a Steel Tornado with 3 times more damage per hit? stupidly OP

Would trade wb for surprise attack any day

Abob

EsoRecon wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

Surprise attack.

no

Yes

RobbaYaga

Proxy Detonation

Proxy Det + Vel Curse + Endless Fury says "Reflect that!"

Sureshawt

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Sureshawt

OP is whatever kills me the most in PvP. As you can see from these posts it seems most players would agree.

Player bias and perception determines what is OP.

Only cold hard data is objective

AddictionX

prox det and adding to it bats, along with that new set... also that fear... the only cc in the game unbreakable by damage.

leepalmer95

RobbaYaga wrote: »

Proxy Detonation

Proxy Det + Vel Curse + Endless Fury says "Reflect that!"

No it says block that.

leepalmer95

xXNesTXx wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A nb with camo hunter.

Yep, a useless skill against no vamp players are OP....of course.....

Nah it still proc's, low chance but when it does it's game over.

SneaK

Terrible thread.

Meteor 2nd qtr 2016 is the only correct answer though.

PhatGrimReaper

Blood Alter FTW

Telel

Proximity detonation.

If you need proof just look at the number of blob groups that do little more than use this and heals to the exclusion of any other attacks.

Akinos

Death Stroke / Soul Harvest is pretty damn OP if you think about it.

Ravage enemy with a spinning attack to deal [x] Magic Damage and increase your damage against them by 20%.
Also causes Major Defile, reducing the effectiveness of healing on the enemy by 30% for 6 seconds.
While slotted, each kill generates increased Ultimate.

Let's break it down:

Makes your opponent take 20% more damage. 20% increased damage on top of other damage buffs/debuffs like major spell/weapon power is huge. Vampires take 29% more damage? That's alot of extra damage for something that costs so little.
Heal debuff on top of that is a pretty big deal too. Not only are you hitting them at least 20% harder you are making sure they have little to no chance at recovering from all the extra damage they take due to healing for 30% less.
And Soul Harvest, the only morph of this ult anybody uses, grants ultimate on kill. Not to mention this ult only costs 50 ultimate...

The only thing that isn't OP about this skill is the 5 meter range lol. If it had say, 8+ meters in range I'm pretty sure nightblades wouldn't use anything else.

I wish templars had an ult that could compare to this lol. Empowering sweep looks like complete crap compared to Soul Harvest. Why isn't this on my death recap everytime I die from nightblades? lol

acw37162

Ambush or Mass Hysteria

Ambush/Lotus Fan

It's a gap closer, so it has the built in line of sight check snare, Lotus Fan is with TG the only gap closer that is currently undodgeable. Ambush empowers Lotus Fan snares and dot. They both have no minimum distance. Because it is essientally a teleport it draws no path data and ignores elevation changes.

Mass Hysteria

An AOE hard stun through block. Templar had something similar but it was considered to over powered apperantly it is not to much for a NB. Offense or defense this is the best utility skill in the game made more important by the recent changes to Magelight. Now a NB will just have to fear you before they cloak and run away to make minimum safe distance of magelight

Edit;

Soul Harvest

How dare I forget; single target ultimate that cost 50 ultimate (that's right 50) and allows you to do 20 % more damage to that target for 6 seconds. This stacks with every buff in the game so 20 % plus fracture plus major sorcery/brutality plus minor berserk plus empower plus major berserk. All buffs NB's have access to in their own skill trees buffing themselves. Oh, and with TG NB's will get 20 ultimate from drinking a potion so it will take them less then 6 seconds to earn another 50 ultimate.

Damn and how could I forget while slotted kills generate ten ultimate.

If this skill cost 150 ultimate it would still be worth it.

NB's are just ridiculous.


Honorable Mention to steel tornado

lolo_01b16_ESO

Any skill that causes me to take 50k fall damage when I stand on even ground.

Cadbury

acw37162 wrote: »

Ambush or Mass Hysteria

Ambush/Lotus Fan

It's a gap closer, so it has the built in line of sight check snare, Lotus Fan is with TG the only gap closer that is currently undodgeable. Ambush empowers Lotus Fan snares and dot. They both have no minimum distance. Because it is essientally a teleport it draws no path data and ignores elevation changes.

Mass Hysteria

An AOE hard stun through block. Templar had something similar but it was considered to over powered apperantly it is not to much for a NB. Offense or defense this is the best utility skill in the game made more important by the recent changes to Magelight. Now a NB will just have to fear you before they cloak and run away to make minimum safe distance of magelight

Edit;

Soul Harvest

How dare I forget; single target ultimate that cost 50 ultimate (that's right 50) and allows you to do 20 % more damage to that target for 6 seconds. This stacks with every buff in the game so 20 % plus fracture plus major sorcery/brutality plus minor berserk plus empower plus major berserk. All buffs NB's have access to in their own skill trees buffing themselves. Oh, and with TG NB's will get 20 ultimate from drinking a potion so it will take them less then 6 seconds to earn another 50 ultimate.

Damn and how could I forget while slotted kills generate ten ultimate.

If this skill cost 150 ultimate it would still be worth it.

NB's are just ridiculous.


Honorable Mention to steel tornado

Wow! You sure know how to sell a class. I'm switching to NB now.

Thanks, pal

Septimus_Magna

Skills with few counters.

Reverberating Bash is my top pick for single target skill.
Annoying/broken stun, major defile and decent dmg.

Proxy Det is my top pick for AOE skill.
Mainly because its easy for groups to sync the dmg of the explosion.

Mass Hysteria is also good but you can counter this with potions or immovable.

Sharee

Definitely fear. Hard CC that is next to impossible to break out from before your attacker lands the next hit.
That it does not break on damage just adds icing on the cake.

I would vote for reverb bash but i consider that one broken/not WAI (i think they also fixed it for next patch)

phillyboy7897

Hmm how is steel tornado not more op than proxy ATM?

Ps4 don't have ball grps but Stam damage preforms better on live and it's a larger radius

Septimus_Magna

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Hmm how is steel tornado not more op than proxy ATM?

Ps4 don't have ball grps but Stam damage preforms better on live and it's a larger radius

Stamina dps is harder to mitigate due the the CP system on live but you can time the burst dmg with Proxy Det a lot better.

Steel Tornado isnt hitting as hard as it sometimes seems.
The dmg increases up to 100% based on the missing health.

If you hit someone with 5% health the dmg will be 95% higher, this results in high dmg numbers (up to 12k in Cyrodiil). This doenst really matter though because most people with 5% health would die to an attack that deals more than 1.5k dmg anyways.

phillyboy7897

Got it , but just for arguments sake ( again I don't know what I'm talking about ) if nado is spammable isn't that better than a burst every 8 sec?

Septimus_Magna

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Got it , but just for arguments sake ( again I don't know what I'm talking about ) if nado is spammable isn't that better than a burst every 8 sec?

Its better for sustain dmg yes.
The thing about pvp is that sustained dmg is easier to heal/shield through.

Its very hard to out-heal/shield burst of 10 proxy dets going off at the same time.
Even if they hit for only 5k on average the total dmg will be 50k all at once.
Assuming the average player has 25k health, you would need 25k shield on top just to survive the burst.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I think I'm the only one who uses it so I guess it's not all that OP, but, for what it's worth my Soul Assault now hits for 44K+ damage.

I'm a Templar. We need to be creative.

PosternHouse

The TLDR version:

See that thing that killed me? Eff that thing. It's OP. PLZ NERF GG BLIZZARD

AshTal

Steel Tornado is most over powered -

Ambush is the most annoying

Master_Kas

Pretty easy for me.

1. Rev bash (You all know why, specially those who love to use it )
2. Wrecking blow
3. Lotusfan (because the inital damage is undodgeable compared to ambush)

And I add: Snares are a real pain in the a** for magicka builds. So many skills that snare you, one of the main reasons why I hate playing any magicka build these days. No magicka skill which grants immunity to snares (except rapid which costs to much , drains half my stampool) and purge is very bad since every stampede/lotusfan/heroic slash/caltrops etc will snare you instantly after you purge the first one.