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How can we fix abilities/passives for PvP, without it heavily affecting PvE?
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭They CAN do it they are just too lazy to try. Just separate the skills.Edited by RAGUNAnoOne on February 24, 2016 1:22AMPS4 NA
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Instanced abilities. I.e changes to abilities only made in a certain instance. In this case being cyrodiil.0 -
Pirhana7_ESO✭✭✭✭✭What would you expect from a game that was built around the alliance war in Cyrodiil being the main endgame?
Other games are made for PVE with PVP added as an option at the end. But like Darkage of Camelot and Warhammer, ESO was designed for endgame PVP.
Originally you weren't even going to be able to the enemy alliances zones. the basic idea was going to be get to 50 then go to Cyrodiil and keep progressing with a much stronger character building Alliance Rank Ability system. But PVE players complained in beta and the system was changed. But for a game designed for PVP you cant expect them to not nerf abilities because of how they work in PVE0 -
WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »They CAN do it they are just too lazy to try. Just separate the skills.
There is no reason to do that. At all
PvP is it's own mess and one of the things hurting is the mass amounts of AoE from players.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Simple.
When in PvP (same skill does) XYZ
When in PvE (same skill does) ABC
No idea why this wasn't common practice since closed beta-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭maybe accepting that a skill imbalanced in pvp might aswell be imbalanced in pve too?Edited by Tankqull on February 24, 2016 3:08AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PvE Team: Everything seem's to be in order.
PvP Team: EVERYTHING'S ON FIRE SIR WE NEED TO CHANGE SOME SKILL'S
PvE Team: Sorry can't help you, or else the fire will spread. It's to late for you now..
PvP Team: NOOOOOOOOOO!
This is what i imagine happen's at Zos.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on February 24, 2016 4:08AMPS4 NA DC2 -
Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »What would you expect from a game that was built around the alliance war in Cyrodiil being the main endgame?
Other games are made for PVE with PVP added as an option at the end. But like Darkage of Camelot and Warhammer, ESO was designed for endgame PVP.
Originally you weren't even going to be able to the enemy alliances zones. the basic idea was going to be get to 50 then go to Cyrodiil and keep progressing with a much stronger character building Alliance Rank Ability system. But PVE players complained in beta and the system was changed. But for a game designed for PVP you cant expect them to not nerf abilities because of how they work in PVE
But let's Be Fair, the original PVP as planned is nothing like the PVP it's become.
They really should have gone a different direction imo, with Imperial City as a nice place, something to be won and kept.
Also, keeps are STUPID and fighting for an empty building just annoys me.
If they build up and villages and things showed up around them depending on how long the faction held them, would be a thing....
As it stands, other than one guy being emp who cares if another faction controls it all. It's still crap no matter who owns it.0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »What would you expect from a game that was built around the alliance war in Cyrodiil being the main endgame?
Other games are made for PVE with PVP added as an option at the end. But like Darkage of Camelot and Warhammer, ESO was designed for endgame PVP.
Originally you weren't even going to be able to the enemy alliances zones. the basic idea was going to be get to 50 then go to Cyrodiil and keep progressing with a much stronger character building Alliance Rank Ability system. But PVE players complained in beta and the system was changed. But for a game designed for PVP you cant expect them to not nerf abilities because of how they work in PVE
But let's Be Fair, the original PVP as planned is nothing like the PVP it's become.
They really should have gone a different direction imo, with Imperial City as a nice place, something to be won and kept.
Also, keeps are STUPID and fighting for an empty building just annoys me.
If they build up and villages and things showed up around them depending on how long the faction held them, would be a thing....
As it stands, other than one guy being emp who cares if another faction controls it all. It's still crap no matter who owns it.
I have no reason to care about PvP. The alliance war doesn't matter at all.PS4 Pro NA1 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Simple.
When in PvP (same skill does) XYZ
When in PvE (same skill does) ABC
No idea why this wasn't common practice since closed beta
It would be nice if it worked that way and to also have two load outs for the skills to switch between. One for PvE and one for PvP.Edited by Tholian1 on February 24, 2016 4:34AMPS4 Pro NA0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »What would you expect from a game that was built around the alliance war in Cyrodiil being the main endgame?
Other games are made for PVE with PVP added as an option at the end. But like Darkage of Camelot and Warhammer, ESO was designed for endgame PVP.
Originally you weren't even going to be able to the enemy alliances zones. the basic idea was going to be get to 50 then go to Cyrodiil and keep progressing with a much stronger character building Alliance Rank Ability system. But PVE players complained in beta and the system was changed. But for a game designed for PVP you cant expect them to not nerf abilities because of how they work in PVE
But let's Be Fair, the original PVP as planned is nothing like the PVP it's become.
They really should have gone a different direction imo, with Imperial City as a nice place, something to be won and kept.
Also, keeps are STUPID and fighting for an empty building just annoys me.
If they build up and villages and things showed up around them depending on how long the faction held them, would be a thing....
As it stands, other than one guy being emp who cares if another faction controls it all. It's still crap no matter who owns it.
I have no reason to care about PvP. The alliance war doesn't matter at all.
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AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Best way to fix imbalances would be to get rid of Eric "protect this house" Wrobel to start change his position he shouldn't be lead combat developer for anything except for maybe Lego marvels. 2nd battle spirit needs to be looked at as well as just basic mechanics in game eliminate easy mode shield stacking, allow shields to be crittable, fix detect pots back to what they were before IC, allow DK dots to work on shields and fix dragon blood variants, Templar passives work on Stam and mag with rune focus sticking to Templars for duration like sorcs get remove toppling charge from game and give Templars new gap closer give all gap closers minimum distanceEdited by AOECAPS on February 24, 2016 5:23AM0
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Karamis_Vimardon✭✭✭✭Best way to fix imbalances would be to get rid of Eric "protect this house" Wrobel to start change his position he shouldn't be lead combat developer for anything except for maybe Lego marvels.*snip*
Should look up Wrobel's past work and credentials, would be better if Cory Tsang (Senior Producer) was in his shoes. You know, someone who's been working in the industry for 20 years instead of 8.PC NA
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Shouldn't be harder then this:
If cyrodill=true then dodge_roll_nerf=1 else dodge_roll_nerf=0
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SlayerTheDragon✭✭✭✭✭Karamis_Vimardon wrote: »Best way to fix imbalances would be to get rid of Eric "protect this house" Wrobel to start change his position he shouldn't be lead combat developer for anything except for maybe Lego marvels.*snip*
Should look up Wrobel's past work and credentials, would be better if Cory Tsang (Senior Producer) was in his shoes. You know, someone who's been working in the industry for 20 years instead of 8.
Here is the problem. You need more than just one man making these game changing choices. Take blocking stam regen as an example - it was the worst way to fix the problem. And the changes to Templar global cooldowns to stop gold farmers.
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SlayerTheDragon✭✭✭✭✭Alternatively,
- remove classes
- rename all class skill lines to Elder Scrolls Birth Signs (Thief, Mage, Atronach)
- enable any character to have any three of them active at a time
Edited by SlayerTheDragon on February 24, 2016 6:48AM¤═══¤ People don't like it when you talk to them with your weapon drawn ¤═══¤0 -
Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Make every skillline/ability have two modes PvE mode and PvP mode. When you're in PvE a skill behaves one way when you're in PvP a skill behaves another way.0 -
Pirhana7_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Make every skillline/ability have two modes PvE mode and PvP mode. When you're in PvE a skill behaves one way when you're in PvP a skill behaves another way.
But the problem is that this game does not separate PVP and PVE like other games. They want this to be a mixed game where you need to do both. They want you to fight the enemy the exact same without a difference of who is controlling your enemy. Persoanlly I think it would be a very bad idea to train with abilities in PVE and master them just to find out its not very effective when you fight an enemy that is player controlled.0 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.0
