@ZOS Should Remove percentage bonuses from racial passives and add flat numbers.

Julianos

When this game released back in 2014 there was cap on every stat. You couldn't stack magicka stamina or health infinitly. Now you can, stat caps was gone with 1.6.

Now you can stack 40k magicka with altmer sorc and get extra +4k magicka bonus like a king thanks to %10 max magicka racial passive same goes with imperial and redguard. This wasn't a big deal because there was cap. It was preventing people stack and focus only 1 stat. Obviosuly ZOS over looked to this matter and didnt make the neccassary changes.

But now +4k extra magicka or stamina out of thin air obviuosly game changer causes huge imbalance over other races and forcing people to play altmer imperial or redguard.

There is no any armor set that boost magicka or stamina so high its almost same with tri stat food bonus @v15 this is crazy @ZOS you gotta fix this on thieves guild DLC
remove the percentage and give flat numbers like 1k magicka/stamina @v16.

Julianos

Yes

WTB more YES

Ra'Shtar

Yes

WTB actual balance.

xerasia

No

No. Make a choice...either play a race that benefits your class, or play whatever race you want knowing that it may not be the "best" choice for that class. Realize that others make this choice and adjust accordingly.

Julianos

Yes

xerasia wrote: »

No. Make a choice...either play a race that benefits your class, or play whatever race you want knowing that it may not be the "best" choice for that class. Realize that others make this choice and adjust accordingly.

You guys dont know what you are talking about this is pure imbalance not about choices or game play or build

idk

No

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

Julianos

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

AFrostWolf

Yes

We need better softcaps. Something higher than before but still better than now.

corrosivechains

No

It's only an imbalance if you look at it purely from a DPS perspective. I do think some races need buffs, and that damage bonuses should be removed from magicka/stamina, but that's not a reflection of racial imbalances, and DPS isn't the only playstyle to choose from.

Ghost-Shot

No

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

Julianos

Yes

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

Ghost-Shot

No

Axorn wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

You said there's no set, but that's a set, crappy or not.

Julianos

Yes

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

You said there's no set, but that's a set, crappy or not.

actually there is non its only increases if your pet active not directly and only sorcs have pets.

Whatzituyah

Yes

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

You said there's no set, but that's a set, crappy or not.

Well its just one set isn't that linear?

corrosivechains

No

Axorn wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

Julianos

Yes

corrosivechains wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

nice link i think everyone on this forum should read it well including you..

Artjuh90

Yes

might make hybrids a bit more viable then they are now. now they get screwed both ways how abilty's stack

Abeille

xerasia wrote: »

No. Make a choice...either play a race that benefits your class, or play whatever race you want knowing that it may not be the "best" choice for that class. Realize that others make this choice and adjust accordingly.

I don't think that there should be some races that are not the optimal choice for any build. I would like every race to have their own niche, for them to be balanced without being all the same.

I am not really good at theory crafting, I don't have a Nord character and my Argonian alt wasn't made with her passives in mind, so this is an honest question: Which builds can best benefit of Nord or Argonian passive that wouldn't be better off combined with a different race? I know Argonian thirst build used to be a thing, but I don't know if it is still a thing.

xerasia

No

Abeille wrote: »

xerasia wrote: »

No. Make a choice...either play a race that benefits your class, or play whatever race you want knowing that it may not be the "best" choice for that class. Realize that others make this choice and adjust accordingly.

I don't think that there should be some races that are not the optimal choice for any build. I would like every race to have their own niche, for them to be balanced without being all the same.

I am not really good at theory crafting, I don't have a Nord character and my Argonian alt wasn't made with her passives in mind, so this is an honest question: Which builds can best benefit of Nord or Argonian passive that wouldn't be better off combined with a different race? I know Argonian thirst build used to be a thing, but I don't know if it is still a thing.

http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/02/15/eso-racial-passives/

^ Excellent breakdown that may help answer your question.

Talyena

No

Every race has percentages in their racial passives. Percentages work better than flat numbers because they scale as the game changes. They should continue balancing the passives, and I'd love to see soft caps return, but removing percentages is just a step in the wrong direction.

strikeback1247

No

Or you could just choose your race wisely if you want to min/max. If you don't want to min/max then it doesn't matter anyway.

NewBlacksmurf

No

No they just need to go back to the max where you got overcharged if a stat was too high with or without food which is why food buffs should all work regardless of lvl for the time on the recipe

corrosivechains

No

Axorn wrote: »

corrosivechains wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Exactly. Additionally, there are set bonuses that increase main stat by a percentage and skills that do the same. It is an inherent part of the game.

Another reason this will not happen is selling the play any race in any faction. This would be less valuable if the race Passives were made vanilla as OP suggested change would do. Actually,'it would make the khajiit passive required for weapon damage builds. And nothing worth it for magika builds.

lol your logic so flawed also there is no set bonuses that increases main stats by percentage they give flat numbers like ; 928 max magicka etc..

Necropotence increases magicka by a percentage, nice try though.

it wasnt a try it was a fact because he was talking like its a general thing necropotance is a crappy old set and its only increase your max magicka if your pet active... and there is a no any other set like that so its not relative

tho nice try

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

nice link i think everyone on this forum should read it well including you..

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

Kammakazi

No

Hellllllll no. Additive modifiers are good in certain aspects, but please don't apply it to our resources.

Julianos

Yes

Kammakazi wrote: »

Hellllllll no. Additive modifiers are good in certain aspects, but please don't apply it to our resources.

idk why people defend imbalances its not about being a unique race or being diffrent it can be achieved uniqueness with something else but this is extra buff huge buff...

Personofsecrets

No

the percent increase is pretty interesting.

Lucius_Aelius

No

I don't think the percentages are the problem here, but removing caps was definitely a bad idea because that's what opened the door to the percentages being a problem in combination with stacking everything into a single stat.

Hybrid builds shouldn't be given preferential treatment either, but right now they're being completely outclassed by single-stat maxing builds, and that completely goes against everything this game was supposed to be about with having a variety of viable playstyles.

corrosivechains

No

it isn't as extreme as you're making it out to be, it's been pointed out by a few people who crunch numbers that it only applies to your base stat, not your buffed stat, and you're ignoring that stuff like the khajiit critical multiplier outclasses it in a pure dps number crunch, or the fact that other racials such as the damage reduction from nords lend themselves to tanky/survival builds really well.

Again, what you keep asking for isn't balance, it's for your particular playstyle to be catered too. Especially when you completely ignore people in both threads who provide numbers showing you why you are wrong. If you want to play a Nord caster so bad, try building around your racials; IE damage reduction and crowd control.

lolo_01b16_ESO

No

I really love people who suggest to change things even though they don't understand how they work.
Those passives stack additive, so no matter how many percentage based magicka buffs you have, the absolut value you get from the passive will stay the same.

Btw. If you want to play a certain race for lore reasons, you can still do all content. I did all trials and dungeons on live and even on the new trial I don't have problems so far as Bosmer healer.

Anhedonie

No

You again? Whiny piece of ***.
Wait for barber shop. You'll be able to change racials afaik.

PlagueMonk

No

I voted no because there are better answers:

1) Reinstate the soft caps. Removing them just opened a whole can of worms and killed of the hybrid builds.

2) Buff the lesser races so they are competitive with the current racial leaders.

xerasia wrote: »

No. Make a choice...either play a race that benefits your class, or play whatever race you want knowing that it may not be the "best" choice for that class. Realize that others make this choice and adjust accordingly.

This is such poor and shortsighted thinking I can't even begin to address it. In general though, the game changed and some of the races were not appropriately compensated to make up for that.