Wabba > Thorn > Chill > Azura > Maybe we learn? Can we please spread out?!

CN_Daniel

Long ago my team separated from the majority of DC in the search of lag free PvP. We pioneered Azura. There was maybe 20 other DC here when we arrived. Now the campaign regularly has 2000-4000 homed there when it ends.

We keep repeating the same cycle over again. Wabba (maybe something was before it I don't remember), then Thorn, then Chill, and now finally Azura. We mass stack one campaign (all alliances) until it becomes unbearable, then we separate (this time forcefully lol), then we all come back together again. Over and over we repeat this cycle.

Obviously they're never going to be able to fix the lag (just re-read something from Nov 14 "We're close to pinpointing the issue" HAHAHA) nor will they ever make a rational choice regarding populations caps (you know, what your technology can reasonably support might be a good idea for what the cap should be? DERP).

Sadly, [snip] it is up to the players to do their work for them....If we hope for there to still be PvP a year from now.


Can we please communicate with each other now, and determine where everyone is going? Simply stacking everyone in TF is not the answer.


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Ghost-Shot

CN_Daniel wrote: »

Long ago my team separated from the majority of DC in the search of lag free PvP. We pioneered Azura. There was maybe 20 other DC here when we arrived. Now the campaign regularly has 2000-4000 homed there when it ends.

We keep repeating the same cycle over again. Wabba (maybe something was before it I don't remember), then Thorn, then Chill, and now finally Azura. We mass stack one campaign (all alliances) until it becomes unbearable, then we separate (this time forcefully lol), then we all come back together again. Over and over we repeat this cycle.

Obviously they're never going to be able to fix the lag (just re-read something from Nov 14 "We're close to pinpointing the issue" HAHAHA) nor will they ever make a rational choice regarding populations caps (you know, what your technology can reasonably support might be a good idea for what the cap should be? DERP).

Sadly, it is up to the players to do their work for them....If we hope for there to still be PvP a year from now.



Can we please communicate with each other now, and determine where everyone is going? Simply stacking everyone in TF is not the answer.

We would all love to play without everyone stacked on one server but nobody wants to PvDoor either, this is what we ran into when we tried to make Trueflame competitive after IC but if all the people we want fights with are on a particular server that's where we'll be.

That being said it would be nice if we can get something coordinated, with only 2 servers it can't be that hard to work out.


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CN_Daniel

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

CN_Daniel wrote: »

Long ago my team separated from the majority of DC in the search of lag free PvP. We pioneered Azura. There was maybe 20 other DC here when we arrived. Now the campaign regularly has 2000-4000 homed there when it ends.

We keep repeating the same cycle over again. Wabba (maybe something was before it I don't remember), then Thorn, then Chill, and now finally Azura. We mass stack one campaign (all alliances) until it becomes unbearable, then we separate (this time forcefully lol), then we all come back together again. Over and over we repeat this cycle.

Obviously they're never going to be able to fix the lag (just re-read something from Nov 14 "We're close to pinpointing the issue" HAHAHA) nor will they ever make a rational choice regarding populations caps (you know, what your technology can reasonably support might be a good idea for what the cap should be? DERP).

Sadly, it is up to the players to do their work for them....If we hope for there to still be PvP a year from now.



Can we please communicate with each other now, and determine where everyone is going? Simply stacking everyone in TF is not the answer.

We would all love to play without everyone stacked on one server but nobody wants to PvDoor either, this is what we ran into when we tried to make Trueflame competitive after IC but if all the people we want fights with are on a particular server that's where we'll be.

Azura wasn't that much fun when we started here either. We either got zerged by LITERALLY 100 bananas or there was nothing. But we stuck it out.


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redspecter23

Just my humble opinion but as long as the majority of fights are decided most often by who brings the bigger team, then we'll see people flock to campaigns where they have safety in large numbers. Nobody wants to be the 4 - 8 man team run over by 24 over and over again. Yes skill plays a part but when all other factors are equal, larger numbers prevail. Give small teams an advantage and people will spread out into these small teams both within one campaign and among others.

Satiar

We go where the fights are. I went to Had and TF once each last month. In both cases the opposing faction whispered me or my team and informed us they would be leaving/logging off until we were gone.

Not sure how people expect me to work with that lol

ksimpscnub18_ESO

You act like the population is so vast in this game that there will be multiple extremely competitive campaigns. There has always been one central server because that is where the bigger groups have fought the bigger groups. It is natural that one campaign generally becomes the most competitive one. I agree spreading out is what we should do but its natural that if raids go to other servers their lack of presence on the other campaigns is evident.

Elong

TL:DR saw OP complaining about stacking and LOL'd.

DHale

Yeah you can't get 100 AD to do anything except run to Alessia bridge to get mowed down. While blues literally have large groups camp every postern door While they siege the inner.

BigTone

zyk wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

TL:DR saw OP complaining about stacking and LOL'd.

When NPK was on Azura before the rest of DC moved there they would have a full group and still be heavily outnumbered by the AD zerg.


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CN_Daniel

BigTone wrote: »

When NPK was on Azura before the rest of DC moved there they would have a full group and still be heavily outnumbered by the AD zerg.

Yes, by like 4x or more. Straight up 100s.


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Flawlless

As someone who played for Nexus, literally the only EP guild that played on Azura at the time, Daniel and DC were just as guilty as the banana hordes.


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CN_Daniel

Flawlless wrote: »

As someone who played for Nexus, literally the only EP guild that played on Azura at the time, Daniel and DC were just as guilty as the banana hordes.

No doubt. Although somewhat of a reaction. I wasn't in control then, I had rules to follow.


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hammayolettuce

Wasn't Azura pioneered by Nemesis when everyone was still on Thorn? I seem to recall Prett and others emp daily and once DC realized how well one small group was doing the masses started flooding over from Thorn. Similar to what happens on Haderus once DC starts to do well.

There are just too many servers with no enough population for anything to be done.

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CN_Daniel

Pretty was there. But at the time he was with maybe 10ppl at most. Hence I said maybe 20 where homed there when we arrived.

No they weren't beating that banana horde when we arrived. Farming them yes, just too few to gain ground as I remember. I recall for something like a month straight when we arrived never owning Ash

CN_Daniel

Jauriel is the true pioneer of Azura honestly. We ain't besties no MO but it's true

Talcyndl

Elong wrote: »

TL:DR saw OP complaining about stacking and LOL'd.

Yeah...pretty much this.

hammayolettuce

Myself just like pretty much everyone here is confused why the self proclaimed "make it lag so we win" leader is complaining that almost everyone is stacking into one server. You know what your guild is comprised of and how it represents itself. [snip]

You prize yourselves on running full raids and stacking those raids. Why not just take your guild to Axe if you want people to spread out.

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Satiar

It's sort of a reputation thing. CN runs smaller now, credit to them, better core than they once had. But people don't just forget the numbers you used to roll with. You did it for so long that's what you are to people, and it's a long journey to erase that rep (assuming you care).

It's the same thing with VE, we run full raids so much we get no credit for our smaller groups, and that's fair. That's the rep we've earned. I can live with that.

Spreading out never gonna happen without agreement. I'd love a server dedicated to mostly Guilds that like to fight other competitive guilds, and a server for guilds to farm and RaidVx in. But that's kind of a pipe dream at this point.

Satiar

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Ah *** I thought VD was made cuz of me

Now I has a sad.


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PhatGrimReaper

The most obvious issue is that the general population affectionately known as the pugs will eventually follow the guilds wherever they go, because that's where the action will be. Unfortunately there will always be one server that is the most competitive and that server will attract the majority of PVPers.

Cody

this is not going to happen unless some changes are made, too many people refuse to step outside the norm of going to "the most competitive server".

The only way for this idea to work is if some of the elite PvP guilds in AS leave and go to another campaign, and make that campaign competitive. that means sticking it out thru the PvDooring nonsense, getting some competition wanting players in, over taking the buff server people, and making sure the campaign is balanced to the point it can be competitive on its own. this of course is not an easy task, but I witnessed it done first hand on Haderus, so it can be done.

once this process is complete, those same guilds would need to STAY, not go back to AS after a month, but STAY IN THE CAMPAIGN. Haderus was competitive until all those guilds went back to lagblade, then lacidon and his crew took over again and it once again became a buff server. We need commitment!:D

AJ_1988

The issue I have found on xb1 is that everyone crams to one campaign because it's run by guilds, the guilds have people from all 3 alliances and at times they work together for either farming, emp or just fun battles. Nearly every one I see in pvp no matter what alliance are in at least 1 guild together somewhere down the line. I say we let them have their campaign and others move to a less populated one to try and get it active. I've been trying for months to get people to another campaign but without success. I believe it has slot to do with the scoring system. Azuras is the only 30 day that everything is worth a point if I remember correctly, there is a 7 day the same, I would love that to be active but I feel I'm alone there,

If anyone on XB1 EU from any alliance wants to move across hit me up and let's organise it. I'm DC but this is an invitation to all.

NovaShadow

I'm confused.

I sense this is a zerg complaint thread.

But OP is well known for leading multiple raids for the sole purpose of stacking/lagging/zerging this one server.

I must've missed something.

Where's my lol button...

Satiar

Cody wrote: »

this is not going to happen unless some changes are made, too many people refuse to step outside the norm of going to "the most competitive server".

The only way for this idea to work is if some of the elite PvP guilds in AS leave and go to another campaign, and make that campaign competitive. that means sticking it out thru the PvDooring nonsense, getting some competition wanting players in, over taking the buff server people, and making sure the campaign is balanced to the point it can be competitive on its own. this of course is not an easy task, but I witnessed it done first hand on Haderus, so it can be done.

once this process is complete, those same guilds would need to STAY, not go back to AS after a month, but STAY IN THE CAMPAIGN. Haderus was competitive until all those guilds went back to lagblade, then lacidon and his crew took over again and it once again became a buff server. We need commitment!:D

I'm still sad about TF. Little zerging, lots of GvG, it was awesome. Why everyone left I still don't know.

Slaxis

.....................lol

Kupoking

Vicious death might balance that ***

Joy_Division

If you haven't figured out that this happens because a critical mass of people:

• want to go where there are actual fights
• where they can win said actual fights
• get AP quickly
• are not interested in your ping

I'm not sure you have been paying attention the past two years.

MountainHound

One of the main problems is 2 of the biggest DC guilds are homed in one campaign and should split up. VE + CN should be in different servers which will clear out the toxiic zone chat as well and stop this e-peen comparing contest. From what I recall these are the following DC guilds:

CN, VE, AK, HoD, HM, JW, k-hole (active?)

There needs to be a combination of 2 maximum guilds in one campaign with CN / VE not being in the same one.

CN / AK in Azura
VE / HOD in TF
HM / JW in Haderus
k-hole ???

Problem solved. It may take awhile but the other factions will spread out in time. This whole "there is no one there to fight" mentality is what caused AZ to be pop locked 24/7 with AD/EP flocking there also.

This is what TF currently looks like as there is no DC / EP opposition:

Ishammael

MountainHound wrote: »

k-hole (active?)

@Ghostbane @DKsUnite @caeliusstarbreaker @MaximillianDiE @Keiryan

Guys. GAIS! Are we active?

MountainHound

Damn zergers