VR16 Magicka DK help

eso-pedro

Hi guys I am a Dunmer magicka DK and I need some help. I don't have unlimited time to spend on this game so I'm always playing catch up, however I did manage to get to vr16. I will put my stats and gear below and I will also explain my thought process with skills, (bearing in mind I don't have access to top end gear), so hear goes.

5 piece seducer (heavy) I did have julianos
4 piece magnus (2 light and S&B)
3 will power jewelry (not arcane)

Cyrodiil unbuffed stats

Magicka - 20k
Health - 24k
Stamina - 11.3k
Spell Damage - 1400
Spell Crit - 24.5%
Spell Resist - 21k
Physical resist - 17k
Crit resist - 950

Attributes - Magicka 44 - Health 20

Mundus Stone - Lord (Increase max health)......may change to spell damage

I have vr15 tri potions and both tri food and drinks (self craftable)

Bar 1

Deep Breath - Flame Lash - Invasion - Reflective Scales - Burning Talons U - Ferocious Leap

Bar 2

Burning Embers - Structured Entropy - Mutagen (resto) - Igneous Shield - Coagulating Blood U - Ice Comet

This is my rotation

Igneous Shield - Coagulating Blood - Structured Entropy
Bar Swap
Reflective Scales - Invasion or Talons depending on situation - Flame Lash - Deep Breath
Bar Swap
Burning Embers
Bar Swap
Flame Lash

Repeat (trying to keep reflective scales up when required

I know there are a lot of bar swaps but I do it like this to try and proc all my self heals around the same time i.e.
when I knock them off balance I only use one lash and then hit deep breath swap and hit burning embers then swap and hit my proc'd lash, by this time deep breath explosion has knocked more off balance potentially allowing me to proc flame lash again.

I hope I have explained this correctly, I know Magicka DK is not the best at the moment but I am trying to make the best of it and any help from anyone would be really appreciated, I am not trying to be a one man army but just want to be survivable and do enough damage that people can still be killed if out thought

Johngo0036

You magicka and spell damage seem low...

On my vr7 Magicka Dunmer Dk i have more magicka than you and my spell damage is almost double yours....

I am wearing 5 pce Trinimac, 5 pce Pariah and the rest torugs pact......

I dont have willpower yet...

I run a destro staff and sword and shield,
sword and shield,
Burning Embers - Flame Lash - Invasion - Fiery Breath - Choking Talons U - Shifting Standard

Bar 2

Crushing Shock - Pulsar - Hardened Armour - Igneous Shield - Coagulating Blood U - Take Flight

All attributes into Magicka.... I do have a little health at around 14k..

NinjaMyk

Consider switching to 5 piece light 2 heavy for better regen then you can swap the seducer for something that increases damage such as Julianos or kagrenacs. Also to increase damage put all stats into magicka especially if you stick with the 5 heavy.

Other stones you should consider are thief and shadow to mess around with crit damage (especially if your using Julianos look at the shadow) atronoch stone with devines gear really helps regen freeing up you jewllery enchants for spell damage to raise damage.

Finally equipping two swords will raise damage as well

eso-pedro

Johngo0036 wrote: »

You magicka and spell damage seem low...

On my vr7 Magicka Dunmer Dk i have more magicka than you and my spell damage is almost double yours....

I am wearing 5 pce Trinimac, 5 pce Pariah and the rest torugs pact......

I dont have willpower yet...

I run a destro staff and sword and shield,
sword and shield,
Burning Embers - Flame Lash - Invasion - Fiery Breath - Choking Talons U - Shifting Standard

Bar 2

Crushing Shock - Pulsar - Hardened Armour - Igneous Shield - Coagulating Blood U - Take Flight

All attributes into Magicka.... I do have a little health at around 14k..

eso-pedro

I was struggling to survive in pvp so I changed it up and added more health and went heavy....I imagine you are light armour, if so that's one reason you will have more spell damage than me.......until I get vigour the self healing is brutal with DK

eso-pedro

NinjaMyk wrote: »

Consider switching to 5 piece light 2 heavy for better regen then you can swap the seducer for something that increases damage such as Julianos or kagrenacs. Also to increase damage put all stats into magicka especially if you stick with the 5 heavy.

Other stones you should consider are thief and shadow to mess around with crit damage (especially if your using Julianos look at the shadow) atronoch stone with devines gear really helps regen freeing up you jewllery enchants for spell damage to raise damage.

Finally equipping two swords will raise damage as well

eso-pedro

That's the setup I had but struggled to stay alive in pvp....too squishy lol

Asmael

Lord mundus: no. Just no. Drop the tristats drinks, use food and atronach if you really want some magicka sustain. Tristat food will give you more stamina sustain in particular, and overall more syngergy with Battle roar.

Get a gold weapon if you need some extra damage, considering how low it is, I guess you're rolling purple, otherwise, consider putting spell damage glyphs on your jewelry.

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Don't start a fight with Igneous Shield - Coagulating Blood, you're effectively burning magicka for extremely small bonus health regen, and a shield that'll get down in 1 hit, while not benefitting from the major mending buff.

You have to be aggressive in how you fight, pop talons often, use the flame lash to heal whenever you can instead of resto heals. Also, since you actually have a resto staff, drop dragon blood and go for blessing of restoration or healing ward. You definitely want to run Volatile armor (or the other morph) for extra mitigation.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, what your armor enchants look like? Max health? Magicka? Tristat?

AverageJo3Gam3r

Mag DK is getting a large buff in the thieves guild patch. When TG hits, I suggest these changes for PvP:
-drop 1HS for dual wield for more spell damage
-use chains instead of invasion. Empowered chains into dawnbreaker is a strong combo
-use dawnbreaker of smiting instead of leap. Leap is physical damage and doesn't synergize with champion points
-swap dragon blood for blessings of restoration (or drop it entirely for hardened armor)
-swap talons and burning embers on your bar. Burning embers is getting a significant healing buff and it will be your primary self heal. Also, talons is good to have on your meteor bar. Talons into meteor is really strong. I prefer fossilize instead, but talons is still good.
-if you can fit hardened armor on your bar, swap heavy armor for light armor
-put most of your champion points in elemental expert. In TG patch, elemental expert will buff magic damage too
-swap seducers armor for julianos armor. Then run shadow mundus stone, or atronach if you're running out of magicka still.

Good luck!

Moglijuana

Your gea/attributes/mundus look like you were very confused lol.

I run 5l/2h 5 Kagrenacs/4 Magnus/3 Willpower. After using Tri stat food my stats are 32k magicka, 24k health, 14k stamina, 2406 Spell Damage and 1608 recovery unbuffed. Currently using the Atronach for recovery but switch to Apprentice sometimes if I run drinks and my SD goes up to 2780 unbuffed. Heavy armor is literal crap atm so I would advise to stay away from it unless you never want to kill anything.

eso-pedro

Asmael wrote: »

Lord mundus: no. Just no. Drop the tristats drinks, use food and atronach if you really want some magicka sustain. Tristat food will give you more stamina sustain in particular, and overall more syngergy with Battle roar.

Get a gold weapon if you need some extra damage, considering how low it is, I guess you're rolling purple, otherwise, consider putting spell damage glyphs on your jewelry.

-

Don't start a fight with Igneous Shield - Coagulating Blood, you're effectively burning magicka for extremely small bonus health regen, and a shield that'll get down in 1 hit, while not benefitting from the major mending buff.

You have to be aggressive in how you fight, pop talons often, use the flame lash to heal whenever you can instead of resto heals. Also, since you actually have a resto staff, drop dragon blood and go for blessing of restoration or healing ward. You definitely want to run Volatile armor (or the other morph) for extra mitigation.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, what your armor enchants look like? Max health? Magicka? Tristat?

eso-pedro

a mix of magicka and health....mainly magicka glyphs.............thanks some good tips

eso-pedro

Moglijuana wrote: »

Your gea/attributes/mundus look like you were very confused lol.

I run 5l/2h 5 Kagrenacs/4 Magnus/3 Willpower. After using Tri stat food my stats are 32k magicka, 24k health, 14k stamina, 2406 Spell Damage and 1608 recovery unbuffed. Currently using the Atronach for recovery but switch to Apprentice sometimes if I run drinks and my SD goes up to 2780 unbuffed. Heavy armor is literal crap atm so I would advise to stay away from it unless you never want to kill anything.

eso-pedro

I almost have mats to make 5 julianos/4 magnus vr16 which will vastly improve stats I would imagine currently vr14 until I have enough......are these cyrodiil stats

Moglijuana

eso-pedro wrote: »

I almost have mats to make 5 julianos/4 magnus vr16 which will vastly improve stats I would imagine currently vr14 until I have enough......are these cyrodiil stats

Yes those are Cyrodiil stats. All Cyrodiil does is add 5k health. I would go Kagrenacs over Julianos for a magicka DK. Crit is useless in pvp, the sustain and health from Kags is more useful.

eso-pedro

Moglijuana wrote: »

eso-pedro wrote: »

I almost have mats to make 5 julianos/4 magnus vr16 which will vastly improve stats I would imagine currently vr14 until I have enough......are these cyrodiil stats

Yes those are Cyrodiil stats. All Cyrodiil does is add 5k health. I would go Kagrenacs over Julianos for a magicka DK. Crit is useless in pvp, the sustain and health from Kags is more useful.

eso-pedro

Thanks man still about 200 mats from able to craft vr16 but still a long way from being able to craft Kagrenacs....currently at 6 traits on light

Any alternative for the time being

Moglijuana

eso-pedro wrote: »

Thanks man still about 200 mats from able to craft vr16 but still a long way from being able to craft Kagrenacs....currently at 6 traits on light

Any alternative for the time being

Ask around for a crafter, that's what I did since I am only at 6 traits as well. I actually just used v14 Marshal Knowledge (upgraded to purple) and 4 pc Magnus until I had all the mats for v16 gear. It worked pretty well for what it was.

eso-pedro

thanks man

Brrrofski

eso-pedro wrote: »

I was struggling to survive in pvp so I changed it up and added more health and went heavy....I imagine you are light armour, if so that's one reason you will have more spell damage than me.......until I get vigour the self healing is brutal with DK

Vigor scales off stam, it won't be a worthwhile heal or use of stam. You have to use a resto on your back bar basically.

Kagernacs is best for Dk from what I've tried. 5 light and two heavy. The bonuses from 5 light is too good to give up. Plus heavy armour just doesn't mitigate much now. Just stack index on your armour.

eso-pedro

Brrrofski wrote: »

eso-pedro wrote: »

I was struggling to survive in pvp so I changed it up and added more health and went heavy....I imagine you are light armour, if so that's one reason you will have more spell damage than me.......until I get vigour the self healing is brutal with DK

Vigor scales off stam, it won't be a worthwhile heal or use of stam. You have to use a resto on your back bar basically.

Kagernacs is best for Dk from what I've tried. 5 light and two heavy. The bonuses from 5 light is too good to give up. Plus heavy armour just doesn't mitigate much now. Just stack index on your armour.

eso-pedro

Thanks....what do you mean by stack index

Howl

He means Impen, which is the Impenetrable trait. It's about 3.5% less damage from crits per legendary piece.

MaxwellC

I'm making a v16 mag DK and I plan on going a crit based Mag DK

dual wield 2 piece torgus pact
5 piece light julianos
Molag kena shoulder (med)
Torgus pact Heavy helmet (Until I get kena helmet lol)
3 piece willpower

Mundus Thief.

eso-pedro

Howl wrote: »

He means Impen, which is the Impenetrable trait. It's about 3.5% less damage from crits per legendary piece.

eso-pedro

Thought so but wasn't quite sure

swirve

I have something similar 44 in mag 20 in hp but my unbuffed stats are something like 28k mag 14k hp and i have 2.5k spell dmg.

When i apply blue food and buffs i have something like 36k mag 20k hp and 3k spell dmg and 63.3% crit.

I rarely run out of magicka as my skill bar is offensive and magic restorative.

I run 5 piece julianos divines and i also have about 270 cp atm. Also use thief stone for crit.

Steel_Brightblade

Surprised no one has mentioned valkyn skoria set for meteor procs off dot damage.

ryanborror

Steel_Brightblade wrote: »

Surprised no one has mentioned valkyn skoria set for meteor procs off dot damage.

Both Skoria and dots arent doing enough damage to be really viable in pvp

Savos_Saren

I have a very aggressive PVE Dunmer Magicka DK Tank. Here's his setup: Attributes: 64/0/0 Mundus: Atro

5pc Kagrenac's Hope- Heavy armor, Divines (for the extra health, regen, magicka, and dmg)

3 Pc Willpower: (extra magicka and spell power- arcane, all spell dmg enchants)

2 Pc Valkyn Skoria: Light Armor, Divines (extra health & fire dmg) It proccs off all your DoTs and does AOE fire that synergizes with World in Flame passive. (It's about to receive a huge buff)

2 Pc Torugs Pact: My DPS bar has two nirnhoned swords. My Tank bar has a Defending Mace and Divines Shield.

DPS Bar: Burning Embers, Molten Whip, Inner Light, Structured Entropy, Eruption, and Shooting Star

Tank Bar: Green Dragon Blood, Pierce Armor, Volatile Armor, Draw Essence, Igneous Shield and Corrosive Armor.

I chose the three Mage's Guild skills over DragonKnight Skills because the Mage's Guild passives help add max magicka, increase magicka regen, Procc the passive "Might of the Guild" and Entopy causes Major Sorcery (not to mention 8% extra health for tanks!)

Side Note: This is just a cut and paste from a past post discussing PVE. You probably wouldn't have "pierce armor" on your tanky bar- so you could go with Lava Whip. You could also replace Igneous Shield with Reflective Scales.